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DANNYROTH
07-16-2006, 05:50 PM
I'll start by saying right off, I didn't find it.

I saw quite a bit of interesting roads, including enough sugar sand (about 10 miles worth) to make me truly regret I went to a non-knobby set of tires on the BRP.

Left Lufkin on FM 58 South to FM 1818 and turned West towards Diboll. Got to US 59 and slabbed it South across the Neches River and turned East on FM 1987. Negotiated those wonderful curves past the Damascus Church and missed the first of several missed turns today. Continued south on 1987 until I reached the bridges over Piney Creek. I knew I had gone too far South.

Backtracked north almost to Damascus and turned East on what I hoped was Loving Ferry Road.

I immediately dropped into some rather challenging sandy surface that kept me telling myself to "relax" and, "If it gets real sqirrely, gas it." A couple of miles East the road made a T at what I assumed was Nine Bridges Road. I turned South and continued through sand intersperced with hard clay sections that were a bit washed out, but dry.

I met a truck driven by a fellow that flagged me down and asked if I had seen a collie dog back up the road. I told him that I had not seen a dog, but had seen a couple of deer. I confirmed that it was Nine Bridges Road, and, "the bridges are just down the road." I didn't count them, but there are a multitude of bridges taking the road over the Piney Creek bottom.

I continued South, merging East eventually into Purvis Road. I soon came out in the Stryker community, home of my friend, Cloyce Rhinehart, the self-appointed Mayor of the community. As you can see, Cloyce, who owns the NAPA auto Parts store in Corrigan, is a collector of neat junk, especially if it has anything to do with old railroads.

http://i68.photobucket.com/albums/i19/dannyroth/100_0242.jpg

http://i68.photobucket.com/albums/i19/dannyroth/100_0243.jpg

By the way, there really is an airfield here in Cloyce's pasture. He lets the crop duster contractors use it when they work for the timber land owners in the area.

I continued on my journey and found that the road I had planned out was barred by a heavy metal gate! So, I headed on South to US 287 and slabbed it to the East and Chester. At Chester I turned northwest on FM 2097 that took me to Peach Tree Village and Camp Ta-Ku-La, a beautiful retreat in the Deep Piney Woods which surrounds this structure.
http://i68.photobucket.com/albums/i19/dannyroth/100_0245.jpg

Continuing north on 2097 I soon see this, one of the most sought after signs in the DSer's world:
http://i68.photobucket.com/albums/i19/dannyroth/100_0246.jpg

By the time I got there I realized that I had missed another turn on my planned route, but turned East on a little road that took me to FM 1745. I turned North here. This is a very cool road with wide sweeping curves and great scenery, and is a favorite of tours that come through the area. It covers the area between Chester and Colmesneil. I was not sure just where the road to Ft. Teran turned off and spent a couple of hours going down several wrong, but very interesting, roads. Never did find the right road, or when I saw big gates and hunting lease signs, I turned back.

Next time I come here I will have or be with someone that has a GPS that we can put the route into so I start down the right road.

Since I had a project to do at the house I headed back. Next time It will be more fruitful.

dbdolan
07-16-2006, 08:03 PM
Good stuff Danny, thanks for sharing:clap: I am hoping to get out next weekend and do some exploring.:rider:

Goat Trail Green
07-16-2006, 09:47 PM
Very Cool

Great Pics

Thanks Danny

Mike Green

Teeds
07-16-2006, 10:22 PM
Ditto on the good stuff and thanks for sharing Danny ...

YOur report got me going ... I found this (http://www.texasescapes.com/AllThingsHistorical/Fort-Teran-204BB.htm) writeup on the fort and managed to locate it on my gps software.

I wish I could say that I could direct you to the site, but that is easier said than done, becasue the roads are not numbered very consistently.

If you are heading east from Chester, take the first left on CR2644. It bends around to the right and an unnamed road intersects it from the left. Follow 2644 around the corner towards the south and take the first left that you come to on an unmaned road. Follow it a short distance adn then you turn right on another unnamed road. Although there are a couple of off shoots this road leads to the fort marker.

Another way to get there is to continue to CR2845, where you turn left. Follow it until you come to a T which is the afor mentioned unnamed road that leads to the monument. Turn right and you are halfway home.

Although I live in Dallas, I do a fair amount of work in Deep East Texas and have never even known this fort existed. I will have to check out the site the next time I am on the area.

Photojojo
07-16-2006, 10:58 PM
I've heard of Ft. Teran. Wouldn't mind checking it out one day.

DANNYROTH
07-17-2006, 08:17 AM
I found out that Tyler County does a better job of marking their roads than Polk county does. Even so, there are those "unnamed roads" and standards that signs used to hang onto all over the place.

Teeds, your advice is right on, but, unfortunately, I could not find 2644 on the north side of FM1745. I did find 2845, which is way past where I thought I turned north. I went down it for a ways, but it wasn't on my printed out directions, so I came back out after about 3 miles of really great dirt road.

If you map it out on your GPS, that is the way I would suggest you go.

We'll have to ride it out some time.

DaveC
07-17-2006, 10:14 AM
Ft Teran has a Historical Marker? (http://www.topozone.com/map.asp?z=15&n=3433739&e=359936&datum=nad83)
I determine this location from the description that the Handbook of Texas (http://www.tsha.utexas.edu/handbook/online/articles/FF/qbf50.html) listed. Half mile west of the mouth of Shawnee Creek.
I used Mapquest and the USGS quad name Colmesneil (http://www.mapquest.com/maps/map.adp?searchtype=address&country=US&addtohistory=&searchtab=home&formtype=address&popflag=0&latitude=&longitude=&name=&phone=&level=&cat=&address=&city=Colmesneil&state=tx&zipcode=) as the city and got the location. Looks like a diffucult location to attain.

Hairsmith
07-18-2006, 05:49 PM
Great ride report Danny.
It has bin many years since I have bin to Ft. Teran, but when I was there I do remember a Historical Marker being there. But also remember that it was surrounded by hunting lease. Hopefully there is still a way back into it.

We might just have to get a group togther and hunt it down like we did the Chicken Ranch :clap:

Great excuse for a ride!:rider:

Teeds
07-18-2006, 07:55 PM
We might just have to get a group togther and hunt it down ... :clap:

Great excuse for a ride!:rider:

Ahhhhh ... the old "safety in numbers" ploy ... :trust:

DANNYROTH
07-18-2006, 08:27 PM
As posted by several others, I researched the site by looking at several sources, including the State Historical Commission site about Historical Markers. I got the coordinates and then looked at the USGS Topo map and plugged in the numbers. I matched the location with the end of a road and entered that info into one of the many trip planners available on the web. This was all great and fine, and I could almost smell the fresh smells of the Neches River and the Deep East Texas Piney Woods as I followed the route through the computer!

Unfortunately, it looked a lot easier in Cyber space than it did in real life.

I did see CR 2845 that Tony mentioned in his post. This road starts out as a relatively well maintained dirt/gravel road that has a large sign at the start warning commercial haulers that it is to be used by permit only and then only in the drier months of the year. It, however is much further east than I felt was the proper entrance, so I did not go more than 2 or 3 miles down it. If any of you are plotting a course on your GPS, start at the intersection of it and FM 1745.

I am having some mechanical difficulties with the BRP, I hope to have it resolved by the time the "search party" gets assembled. I think I found out why so many off road machines went to liquid cooling.

I hate to admit it, but I now can't be telling my Harley driving friends little jokes like, "How are a Harley and an old cow dog alike?" Answer, "They both like to ride in the back of pickup trucks!":lol2: Well, the XR came home Sunday in shame, in the back of the wife's truck. :doh: This was after it started losing power and got very hot. I remembered my old BSA Bantam acting like that right before it used to seize up, so I stopped and called in the rescue party. I'm going to change oil and filter and I'm going with Rotella T heavy duty. I'm also going to look for one of those temperature gauge oil caps I've seen sold for the XR-R. I wonder if that will fit the XR-L.

Strength and Safety in Numbers is appropriate, especialy if one of the number has the right equipment to guide you through the maze. Believe me, I thought about it last Sunday afternoon.

Fbronco86
07-23-2006, 10:05 PM
As posted by several others, I researched the site by looking at several sources, including the State Historical Commission site about Historical Markers. I got the coordinates and then looked at the USGS Topo map and plugged in the numbers. I matched the location with the end of a road and entered that info into one of the many trip planners available on the web. This was all great and fine, and I could almost smell the fresh smells of the Neches River and the Deep East Texas Piney Woods as I followed the route through the computer!

Unfortunately, it looked a lot easier in Cyber space than it did in real life.

I did see CR 2845 that Tony mentioned in his post. This road starts out as a relatively well maintained dirt/gravel road that has a large sign at the start warning commercial haulers that it is to be used by permit only and then only in the drier months of the year. It, however is much further east than I felt was the proper entrance, so I did not go more than 2 or 3 miles down it. If any of you are plotting a course on your GPS, start at the intersection of it and FM 1745.

I am having some mechanical difficulties with the BRP, I hope to have it resolved by the time the "search party" gets assembled. I think I found out why so many off road machines went to liquid cooling.

I hate to admit it, but I now can't be telling my Harley driving friends little jokes like, "How are a Harley and an old cow dog alike?" Answer, "They both like to ride in the back of pickup trucks!":lol2: Well, the XR came home Sunday in shame, in the back of the wife's truck. :doh: This was after it started losing power and got very hot. I remembered my old BSA Bantam acting like that right before it used to seize up, so I stopped and called in the rescue party. I'm going to change oil and filter and I'm going with Rotella T heavy duty. I'm also going to look for one of those temperature gauge oil caps I've seen sold for the XR-R. I wonder if that will fit the XR-L.

Strength and Safety in Numbers is appropriate, especialy if one of the number has the right equipment to guide you through the maze. Believe me, I thought about it last Sunday afternoon.


awe man I hope the honda is ok. My klr is sitting pretty across the street ready to go haha. But at least you are home to ride yours.

DANNYROTH
07-24-2006, 04:42 PM
It still runs and appears to have a lot of power, Mike, but it rattles like your diesel pick-up right after it cranks up on a cold winter morning. I'm going to ease around a bit, change the oil/filter again, and see if it quiets down. If not, may be looking for an engine rebuild.

Fbronco86
07-24-2006, 08:19 PM
It still runs and appears to have a lot of power, Mike, but it rattles like your diesel pick-up right after it cranks up on a cold winter morning. I'm going to ease around a bit, change the oil/filter again, and see if it quiets down. If not, may be looking for an engine rebuild.

Cam chain loosen up on yeah?

I bet all the neighbors are really happy I am outta town so I dont wake people up in the morning. haha

Hairsmith
07-24-2006, 11:31 PM
Sorry to hear there is still a problem. Good Luck with it, and if I can lend a hand let me know.

ta2240
07-25-2006, 09:10 AM
Nice Report! You now have me researching and reading.:doh: I am also tempted to buy the Fort Teran book.

Danny get the XR running right and let us know when you are going back out, I would really like find it also.

chadleys1
07-25-2006, 09:39 PM
It is going to be hillarious when a bunch of us run into eachother out there with GPS's blazing and metal detectors strapped to the backs of our dualsports.
This has got me intrigued.

DANNYROTH
07-25-2006, 09:56 PM
Tom (Hairsmith), find me a deal like the one you got on your KLR. That would get me back to :rider: By the way, Lufkin Powersports has a black 2007 KLR650 still in the box!:deal:

Photojojo
07-25-2006, 10:14 PM
In recent years, there has been some speculation that the Centennial monument may have been placed at the wrong place on the river, perhaps even in the wrong county. Decades ago, a Lufkin historian wrote that Fort Teran really stood on the north bank of the Neches in Angelina County.

If the historians are arguing about whether or not they have the right spot then there is a remote chance that when you find it you might not know it.

DANNYROTH
07-31-2006, 08:44 PM
I took the BRP to a mechanic today. He's going to "tear it up worse than it is, now" and will tell me what it will take to cure its ailment*.

Anyone out there know of a decent XR650L engine available at a decent price? The ones I have located are all over $1150 + Shipping!:eek2:

*Ailment - One lunger, four-cycle that sounds like a diesel, and smokes like a two-cycle.:shock:

DANNYROTH
07-31-2006, 09:01 PM
I talked to an acquaintance that recently bought an '06 KLR650. He is from the area around Ft. Teran and has been to the site several times in the past. He has never ridden a bike to the spot, but acts like he could guide us right to it! Kinda takes the fun of the chase out of it, doesn't it?

The new mission, if we choose to accept it; go to the site from both the Tyler County side of the Neches River (that's where the Historical Marker is located) AND from the Angelina County (north) side.

I'm thinking we could inquire of the County Tax office to check landowner records. I work for a major wood products manufacturing company that owns much land in that area. If it belongs to our company I have connections that could get some help from our foresters that manage the area.

Fbronco86
08-04-2006, 12:43 AM
Tom (Hairsmith), find me a deal like the one you got on your KLR. That would get me back to :rider: By the way, Lufkin Powersports has a black 2007 KLR650 still in the box!:deal:

You need to get a KLR like mine so when you run her off in the sticks you dont worry about it to much. :rider:

Any news on the honda yet?

DANNYROTH
08-04-2006, 09:23 PM
Mechanic says, "The main parts needed will cost $2200."

That's $300 less than what I paid for the whole bike!

Looking for an XR650L engine.

ta2240
08-05-2006, 08:21 AM
Danny what parts do you need? Is your case still intact?

Photojojo
08-05-2006, 08:57 AM
Mechanic says, "The main parts needed will cost $2200."

Is that parts and labor? Did you have any other symptoms of anything going wrong? How did the oil look when you got home? About how much came out?

DANNYROTH
08-05-2006, 04:08 PM
They quit taking it apart after removing the head and jug. The camshaft bearings appeared to have locked up, and the jug, piston and upper rod bearing are toast. He asumes that the lower rod bearing, which means crank, is also damaged. I told him to stop at that point and let me see about getting an intact motor.

Oil that came out looks like 130 weight, and black. It had been several rides since I had checked the level and I take full responsibility for the destruction of my playpretty. This will not happen again.

ta2240
08-07-2006, 04:55 PM
Danny would you be willing to bring the bike to Houston?

DANNYROTH
08-07-2006, 07:36 PM
Danny would you be willing to bring the bike to Houston?


The way things have been going lately it would have to be on a weekend. Whatcha got in mind?

ta2240
08-07-2006, 08:28 PM
TeamSwaney has a good connection at Pro Works Racing and Randall the owner kind of figures your price is high. I don't know if you trust the folks that have your bike now but this guy is a good guy and is a pro motocross mechanic who knows his stuff. He is in Highlands just east of Houston

DANNYROTH
08-07-2006, 08:41 PM
I appreciate the option. Let me study on it.

I believe the prices this guy was looking at were new OEM parts (head and all valve train components, jug, piston, rings, rod, etc.) at Honda prices. I looked at those parts on Bike Bandit and was staggered.:shock:

One motorcycle salvage outfit in California, that did not have that engine, told me I should expect to pay around $1 per cc. I have yet to see one for near that. If I can get a running engine with a guarantee for under $1K would that be reasonable?

ta2240
08-07-2006, 08:53 PM
If I can get a running engine with a guarantee for under $1K would that be reasonable?

If I were to buy a used engine I would rebuild it so I cannot say if $1000 is reasonable.

TeamSwaney just returned from vacation and I will call him to have him catch up on your situation and he can directly relay the info. to Randall. That way you can get the information directly to him and get a better idea of a potential price.
Have you checked with Honda about a new motor?

DANNYROTH
08-07-2006, 08:56 PM
I looked at the PWR web site, WOW! They sure don't believe is leaving well enough alone. Maximize your resources to gain competitive advantage!!

I would gladly settle for a plain stock setup. The only thing I need to outrun is Fbronco86's '89 KLR. Do you think they have some stock take-off parts laying around?

ta2240
08-07-2006, 09:02 PM
No, they dont work on many 650's. They mainly work on race bikes but they are good at what they do. The will do what you want them to do completely stock or some really crazy head work. I will get TeamSwaney to PM you or reply here. I have a call into him now.

The most important thing is to get you back in the saddle so we can find that Fort!

DANNYROTH
08-07-2006, 09:04 PM
Thanks!

DANNYROTH
08-08-2006, 09:30 PM
I found a "bare" engine that the guy said is an '04, with 630 miles. "Runs good", came off a wrecked bike, "no damage to engine". $850 plus freight. This guy deals mainly in sport bikes.

What questions should I be asking?

Hairsmith
08-08-2006, 11:08 PM
Danny you might want to get this in the help forum so more see it.
Does he give any warrantee ?
Compression test ?
It would be nice to see what the oil looks like.
Good Luck! We need you back on the back roads :-)

DANNYROTH
08-09-2006, 08:25 AM
Thanks, Tom. I posted it there this morning.

ta2240
08-11-2006, 06:48 AM
This just posted in case the one you have your eye on falls through


http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/2000-honda-xr650l-xr650-engine-motor-RUNS-GREAT_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQcategoryZ34284QQihZ007QQit emZ170017743473QQrdZ1

DANNYROTH
08-14-2006, 10:13 PM
Engine is coming! '04 model, reportedly with 630 miles, 30-day warranty. Seller passed my background check, I called three motorcycle dealers/shops in his area and the BBB. All reports were good.

I will use carb, starter, and all covers off my motor. I just bought a new complete gasket set so oil leaks should not be a problem.

Next challenge, slip all this by the Treasurer :giveup: without causing a divorce. :storm: Maybe it will be cooler weather when I recover from the whuppin' :hack: I'm sure to get!

Boy, I really miss the BRP! I'll be so glad to be :rider: On The Road Again!

XR650Rocketman
08-14-2006, 11:19 PM
Danny, I've followed the thread but missed what happened to the original motor?

Steve

DANNYROTH
08-15-2006, 08:36 AM
I'm not sure what happened first, overheated or low oil. Classic case of operator error. Result, looks like anything that required oil inside got starved.

Learnings:

Don't only put in amount of oil that the owner's manual lists. Check the oil levels in the crankcase and at the filler in the proper fashion (be sure it has oil in the crankcase by checking at the inspection plug on the lower right side, run the motor until the pump has picked up the oil in the sump and circulated it, then check the level at the filler on the frame.)

Just because your bike doesn't drip oil or smoke doesn't mean that oil isn't being lost. Check levels frequently!

hond330
08-15-2006, 03:22 PM
Danny,

my KLR was running hot...... fuse blew on the fan circuit but i replaced and its fine now.......... thats one thing though....... its a lot easier to check the oil on a wet sump with a window port than on those dry sump babies...

sorry to hear about u losing then engine but you had suspected that when it got so hot.

DANNYROTH
08-18-2006, 09:05 PM
Engine came in this afternoon. Looks good! Will be back in action by next weekend.:rider:

Fbronco86
08-19-2006, 11:56 AM
I looked at the PWR web site, WOW! They sure don't believe is leaving well enough alone. Maximize your resources to gain competitive advantage!!

I would gladly settle for a plain stock setup. The only thing I need to outrun is Fbronco86's '89 KLR. Do you think they have some stock take-off parts laying around?

I am sure you can keep up you just need to learn hose to use that twist grip with your right hand a little. I should be home for a few weeks in mid sept maybe I can get the KLR out then and ride.

DANNYROTH
08-19-2006, 12:15 PM
What happens is my need for self preservation overcomes my need for speed! When things start sliding around I let off on the throttle!

Fbronco86
08-19-2006, 09:36 PM
What happens is my need for self preservation overcomes my need for speed! When things start sliding around I let off on the throttle!

When things start to slide around thats when it gets fun.

So mid sept ish you gonna be ready to go on a ride

DANNYROTH
08-20-2006, 10:54 AM
Mike, I'm in serious withdrawal right now. Have you gotten to ride any in Canada?

Bike should be ready to ride this week!

Fbronco86
08-20-2006, 11:25 AM
Mike, I'm in serious withdrawal right now. Have you gotten to ride any in Canada?

Bike should be ready to ride this week!

No I have not been on a bike up here I thought about renting a bike for the weekend but I dont have my helmet or my jacket with me so.

DANNYROTH
08-23-2006, 09:52 PM
The BRP is back at home!!:rider::clap::clap::clap:

New engine is real smooth (for a thumper), with lots of power.

Time to start a new thread regarding Ft. Teran. Let's see . . . plan to make the ride when the high temperature is lower 80s.

Hairsmith
08-23-2006, 10:23 PM
Congratulations on getting the BRP back on the road.:clap:
We need to do some riding but you are right let it cool down before we hit the East Texas sand roads. :giveup:
Good luck with the new engine. Hope it continues to run well for you.:rider:

DANNYROTH
08-25-2006, 07:27 PM
My old engine never ran as smooth as this newer one. Even the exhaust has a smoother tone. I wonder if the older motor either had a hot cam in it or had some kind of problem when I got it. It had 3400 miles on it when I bought it from at least the 2nd owner. I had not ridden a 4 stroke single as big as this and assumed that it was supposed to sound and feel like that.

Greasemonkey
08-29-2006, 12:11 PM
hi, I'm greasemonkeys wife, Rita. I talked with Scott about your search for Ft. Teran, and I was on a mission to find it, It was on the Texas Historical Commission web page, I finally ended up calling Austin to the historical society and talked with some very helpful people which led me back to the THC web page, here is what I found: it is historical marker #11368, year erected:1936 and was donated to the Tyler County Historical Survey Committee (101 years after closing the fort)by Mrs. Winnie Wilson in memory of her husband Earl Wilson in 1966. It says it is in the city of Colmsneil, in Tyler county, it says it is not accessible without a 4X4 (no problem for you guys), it is 11 miles northeast of Chester on fm 1745-well that was all I found and all the info the state has-good luck!! P.S.-I think Scott wants to help you find it.

DANNYROTH
08-29-2006, 09:08 PM
I really appreciate your input and Scott's offer to help find it. I also have read that description and have found it to be very misleading. There are apparently about three markers describing the site. The actual site is near the intersection of Tyler County, on the south and west side, Jasper County, on the east side, and Angelina County, across the Neches river and to the north. This is definitely not in Colmesneil.

Ft. Teran was one of the first attempts of the government ruling the area to try to deal with the unchecked inflow of illegal aliens! Of course, the aliens coming in at that time and through this area were speaking English and coming from the east. A site of such importance should be very well marked and accessible. This one obviously is not. That's what is so exciting to folks like us that have vehicles that will get us there!

I have several acquaintances that have actually been there and confirmed that it was not possible to get there without a vehicle capable of cross country travel, or a horse. One of them recently got a KLR650, but he doesn't live in the vicinity any longer. I asked him if he would lead a group of us to the site and he has tentatively agreed.

One of the Texas historical sites has the coordinates listed, see these earlier postings:
http://www.twtex.com/forums/showthread.php?t=10160

A couple of us have located it on a map on the computer. Up to this point, though, I haven't been able to get the right people with the right knowledge, or the right equipment (GPS), together to take another try.

It will be cooler soon and we will take another stab at it. I am not going to do this alone, again. I look forward to meeting you all!

Teeds
08-29-2006, 09:42 PM
It will be cooler soon and we will take another stab at it. I am not going to do this alone, again. I look forward to meeting you all!

I am definitely up for the trip, but at this point I am booked up through the end of the year with "stuff", some of which is riding my DS bike.

With hunting season just around the corner, this might be a good ride to kick off the new year with, assuming hunting season is over.

Cool weather will also knock down the bugs and underbrush. :trust:

I am going to wander down the road the next time I am there in my truck. A truck stands out less than a bike in many situations.

DANNYROTH
08-29-2006, 09:50 PM
Tony, when you are over this way, give me a pm. Maybe we can scout it out, at least determine which road leads to it off the hard surface.

How's the shoulder? Even in a truck driving could be tough on it if the terrain gets very difficult.

Teeds
08-29-2006, 10:00 PM
Tony, when you are over this way, give me a pm. Maybe we can scout it out, at least determine which road leads to it off the hard surface.

How's the shoulder? Even in a truck driving could be tough on it if the terrain gets very difficult.

I am guessing that it will be the end of next week or the first part of the following. I will shoot you a PM early next week, as soon as dates are finalized. I am pretty flexible, if certain dates are better for you than others.

The shoulder is sore, thanks for asking. I am SUPPOSED to be wearing a sling, but I am not being a good patient ... Doc said it didn't matter when I am around the house, but I am pushing it ... :doh:

My truck is a 4x4 so as long as we don't get too far out in the weeds, we will be fine.

DANNYROTH
08-30-2006, 12:30 AM
Take a virtual trip to Ft. Teran via your computer. This works much better if you have a high speed connection. Print out these instructions so you don't have to jump back and forth between windows and lose out on this amazing experience.

This is how to see the location of Ft. Teran on a topographical map.

Go to this site:

http://atlas.thc.state.tx.us/shell-county.htm


This takes you to the Texas Historical Commission site.

Choose Tyler County on the pulldown list in the box on the upper left

On boxes right under the county box click on them until ONLY the “Historical Markers” box is checked.

Click “Search” button

Move down to “Enloe Mill” and select “Location Map” Red dot is location of the Enloe Mill site.

On the map tool bar (just under the “Help” button) click on the little hand to enable you to pan the map.

Place the cursor near the top of the map, hold the left mouse button and drag the map to the bottom of the screen. Do this until you move the map down at least ten squares. You should see the Neches River.

Go back to the tool bar and click on the “+” button to select Zoom.

Place the cursor just below the word “River” and click it once.

You should be able to see the words “Historical Monument” Click it again to zoom it closer.

That, folks, is the Ft. Teran site. The road leading off to the southwest is how we will get there. If you feel real adventurous, follow that road back towards the south (most of the time) until you reach the Farm-Market road.

Now, if you have a GPS with mapping capabilities, find us a way to get there from Chester, Tyler County, Texas.

Hairsmith
09-01-2006, 03:25 PM
So when we going ???
I have to work Sat. till 11:00-12:00 but could after.
Tentatively promised Sunday to the wife. That could change.
I am always off on Monday's and this one is a Holiday! so.......?

Any one up for a Monday Ride, to the Fort ?

DANNYROTH
09-01-2006, 07:53 PM
Tom, Monday would be best for me. I have several pressing issues that I need to handle Saturday that may run into Sunday.

If we go down the right roads we should be able to whup this out in a couple of hours each way. Say, start at 8:30 and be through by early afternoon before it gets very warm or wet.

We could make Huntington our meeting point and we can ride down some interesting roads I have frequented through Bald Hill, Shawnee Prairie, Manning, and Saron, eventually coming out 1270 to US 69, south of Zavalla. We head south on 69 to Colmesneil, and turn west on 1745 towards Chester. Then, at the point that I was previously unable to determine, we head north into the Neches River Bottoms, hoping to find the site of the evasive Fort Teran.

Should we start a new thread on "Upcoming Rides"?

DANNYROTH
09-01-2006, 08:06 PM
Chance of Rain in the Ft. Teran area for the holiday weekend

Sunday 20% Mostly In the Afternoon

Monday 40% All Day


I don't relish riding in the rain, but I uderstand that's when Hairsmith really thrives!:rider:

Hairsmith
09-01-2006, 09:44 PM
Should we start a new thread on "Upcoming Rides"?


YES !!!!!:clap: :clap: :clap: :clap:
Sounds like a great ride, fun Day:rider:

Hairsmith
09-01-2006, 10:06 PM
New thread.
http://www.twtex.com/forums/showthread.php?t=11944