Garage Storage Stuff...

[Tourmeister]

Howdy,

:tab I have never been one to be really organized. No doubt, Txmedic will likely stroke out when he sees the disarray in my garage. Worse yet, I have curious little fingers eager to explore the colored cans and bottles scattered about the various shelves. I need an upright cabinet, preferably metal, that will lock/latch so I can keep out kids. Home Depot was a bust. Sears was a bust. What do you guys do?

[Faylaricia]

Try steel furniture dealers like http://www.officemakers.com/Used/used.shtml, http://www.ofconcepts.com/ and http://ergonomichome.com/.

[solocodes]

Check out surplus office supply stores, Habitat for Humanity stores, in my travels around Austin, I ride through the back of the industrial and commercial strip centers, and there are all kinds of treasures being thrown out, and free for the asking, if you don't mind it being used. Of course, my wife says I am a packrat, my most recent find was 4" electrical pvc, schedule 80, 10' long, 2 full bundles, which is gonna be used as my new barn posts, sunk in the ground, and filled with concrete. In Huntsville, the state should have surplus sales somewhere.

[dukey33]

Several years ago I lucked out and found a pair of upright storage cabinets at a used office furniture store. Good heavy duty steel units, not the lightweight stuff from Office Depot.

Other folks I know have picked up kitchen cabinets that were replaced when friends/neighbors/family remodel their kitchens. Overhead cabinets would be out of reach of curious small fingers.

Dave

[mjacks]

http://www.officedepot.com/ddSKU.do?level=SK&id=632398&Nr=200000&N=201714&An=browse

Like this? I assume you can find them at used office furniture places like said above.

[bones]

www.freecycle.com might bring you luck. Sad thing is you are bombarded with emails from all adds.

[Tourmeister]

It never occured to me to check Office Depot :doh:

[Grover]

At my old house in Dallas, I found some old school gym lockers that had been thrown out. I painted them all gun metal gray, high gloss paint to cover up the General Lee Orange paint job they had. Had a nice row of em, and it looked MINT when I was done.

Lockers had locks on each compartment/door for added security, and needless to say they were about the most sturdy thing you can ever afford to put in a garage.

[Squeaky]

Ikea even has low-profile, locking metal cabinets that are fairly inexpensive. Probably too small for most of what you're looking to store, but they may have expanded the offerings. You could also supplement one larger cabinet ($$$) with one or two of the smaller/cheaper ones along the side wall, and then you would still have the space on top of them to put things like your toolbox, tire changer, etc.

I wouldn't be opposed to scouting the store for you next week... but I'll need to leave my wallet in the car!

[Grover]

I wouldn't be opposed to scouting the store for you next week... but I'll need to leave my wallet in the car!

Just take the Strom when you go... and take your wallet with you. You wouldnt be able to buy much in the form of fixtures and furniture. :rider:

[Squeaky]

Just take the Strom when you go... and take your wallet with you. You wouldnt be able to buy much in the form of fixtures and furniture. :rider:

That's not true. All I need is a bungee net and/or some cords or straps and I could buy furniture, marketplace stuff, picture frames... :giveup:

[solocodes]

http://www.buyusedlockers.com/?OVRAW=used%20storage%20cabinets%20Huntsville&OVKEY=used%20storage%20cabinet&OVMTC=advanced

Maybe this site will give you some ideas of different sizes and combos.

[3 Foot Half Devil]

I have purchased some for my clients at Northern Tool and Equipment. They are really great and not flimsy like some of the other cabinets.

[budzrex]

Scott, if you want to run up to Lufkin
just ask for the owner and mention my name
and you will get a good deal

http://www.desks-4-sale.com/custom.html

[Squeaky]

Ooh... If I decide to upgrade in the studio does that "mention my name" deal work for us all?

[Tourmeister]

Geez... I was hoping to keep it around $150 or so at the most...

[Squeaky]

Geez... I was hoping to keep it around $150 or so at the most...

Troll eBay. I know you hate that site, but I got a great deal on filing cabinets there and I only had to go to Angleton for them. $20 used with a few scratches for what probably cost $250+ new.

[budzrex]

Yes it should work for all just ask for Weldon & tell
him Buddy Slover sent you

[solocodes]

Personally, I'd cruise some of those yard sales you got in Huntsville, you might score something there.

[Grover]

Call the school, and call the local prison. Most of the time they have old locked collecting dust in some back room that no one knows what to do with. Make em an offer to come get them with cash.

[leekellerking]

Howdy,

:tab I have never been one to be really organized. No doubt, Txmedic will likely stroke out when he sees the disarray in my garage. Worse yet, I have curious little fingers eager to explore the colored cans and bottles scattered about the various shelves. I need an upright cabinet, preferably metal, that will lock/latch so I can keep out kids. Home Depot was a bust. Sears was a bust. What do you guys do?

+1 on IKEA (My wife works there). Officemakers may also have what you want, but be careful (My wife used to work for Officemakers -- I won't say more).


Lee

[hetkind]

I got a couple heavy duty grey metal ones from an industrial auction for $10 each, companies like McMaster-Carr (www.mcmaster.com) or Grainger (www.grainger.com) have industrial duty ones. My personal choice is to build shelving in the garage with doors. Not a bad job getting staight cuts with a skil saw/table saw and assembling with wood screws/screw gun or air nailer.

Howard

[NUTT]

Commercial auctions are the way to go.

http://www.dovebid.com/Auctions/AuctionDetail.asp?auctionID=10800

HP is having one soon.....

Starts: 3/19/07 12:00 PM CDT
Ends: 3/20/07 12:00 PM CDT

Be sure to check the location to make sure you don't buy something in that you have to drive to California to pick up. It really isn't the drive so much as the left wing nutjobs.

[budzrex]

+1 on IKEA (My wife works there). Officemakers may also have what you want, but be careful (My wife used to work for Officemakers -- I won't say more).


Lee

Lee my old company used to supply chairs to officemakers, ask you wife
if she remembers Chair-Tech

[wabbit]

http://austin.craigslist.org/tls/290751172.html

[leekellerking]

Lee my old company used to supply chairs to officemakers, ask you wife
if she remembers Chair-Tech


I'll do it. She was there in 1997, or so, I think.


Lee

[kingham]

Geez... I was hoping to keep it around $150 or so at the most...

well I guess, I can't help you out.. my cabients run around a $100 a liner foot.

[Tourmeister]

$100 per linear foot?? Please explain how that relates to the volume of the cabinet :scratch:

[kingham]

$100 per liner foot up to 8' tall and 24" deep

ie a set of my custom built storage cabinets for your garage 10foot wide x 8 foot tall x 2' deep = $1000 installed.

not much you can buy for $150.00.



look at my website for examples

[Tourmeister]

So I scored at Sam's Club a few days ago :dude:

Sandusky 36 X 18 X 72 metal cabinets. Model No: vf3r36187 Sams No: 675732 A
http://twtex.com/linkfiles/misc/IMG_1193.JPG

http://twtex.com/linkfiles/misc/IMG_1194.JPG

The shelves are not adjustable and are welded into place. The spacing works fine for me so no biggie. Shelves are rated for 150 lbs each. I can always add wooden shelves with a block at each end if I need more shelves, maybe even half shelves that are only 9-10" deep.
http://twtex.com/linkfiles/misc/IMG_1195.JPG

They lock so little prying fingers cannot get to the nasty stuff inside
http://twtex.com/linkfiles/misc/IMG_1196.JPG

Best of all, they were only $146.43 each!

[pkiser]

Very nice! Will you come down the street and organize my garage? :zen:

[rickmillertx]

Howdy,

:tab Worse yet, I have curious little fingers eager to explore the colored cans and bottles scattered about the various shelves. What do you guys do?

Electric security fence!:eek2:

[Tourmeister]

:lol2: I don't think Mommy would let me get away with that. Would make for some hilarious home vids though :-P

[JoyRider]

For the small items you can get stacking shelves that might fit on the metal shelves and give you a little more storage for the smaller items. Just an idea.


http://www.containerstore.com/browse/Product.jhtml?CATID=71234&PRODID=67650

[Tourmeister]

Joyce, that is what I was thinking of with my comment about putting in wooden shelves. Basically, just put a support at each end and span the distance with a piece of 1 X 6, 1 X 10 or something similar. Of course, there will be the myriad little stacking and interlocking boxes for all the screws, nuts, bolts, etc,... ;-)

[JoyRider]

I guess I was thinking about the cans and stuff that always rearrange themselves when no one is looking....:rofl: at least that's how our garage stuff seems to do and these are pretty portable....

[Blue Bomber]

:lol2: I don't think Mommy would let me get away with that. Would make for some hilarious home vids though :-P


I believe those would be called "evidence", not home videos. :giveup:

[Grover]

Tourmeister,

Revisiting an old thread here, but I am curious about your Garage Storage plans. Can you do a post review about those cabinets you bought at Sams Club? I looked, and found the same brand cabinets, but nothing for the price you mentioned in your post on them.

I am in the planning stages of my storage system now. We close on our house Nov. 15th, and the garage is the first thing I am going to tackle. 2 1/2 car garage. From my earlier posts, I was looking for some nice kitchen cabinets to mount... then waffled about Cubicle cabinets. Still unsure... What all did you wind up doing, and how you like the results?

I thought about an idea: Anyone have any feedback on this:

6' or 7' Vertical shelving turned perpendicular to the wall. But with inverted angle iron secured to the floor, and V track steel caster wheels mounted under the shelves so they slide on the "rail" tracks. They all stack together leaving space between one, but they slide to open other areas of the other shelves... ?

I have seen this in file rooms, and works well to conserve space. I want to maximize my storage space, but not consume all of the garage extension to allow room for 2 cars, the bike, and other gear.

[Squeaky]

Dude, do you really have THAT MUCH stuff to put in the garage that you need sliding shelves like that?

[DaveC]

how about something up on the wall like
http://images.craigslist.org/010100010307010411200710109eb37c190e0d51182c00c87a .jpg
padlock and hasp. good to go and they look good.
C list link in huntsville (http://houston.craigslist.org/mat/445393174.html)
just a thought, you may be able to find an entire kitchen and redo all your garage:trust:

[Tourmeister]

I have been very happy with the cabinets for the price I paid.

[Grover]

Dude, do you really have THAT MUCH stuff to put in the garage that you need sliding shelves like that?

No... its really just building out a new Man Castle. Not from the "do I need it" perspective... from the "What would be cool that sets my garage apart from others" perspective.

Use some engineering and make something pimpin!



Squeaky... My bike is sitting at Wild West BMW right now. I took it in to get a new clutch, but just found out that Dan says a new transmission is in my future! :eek2: :doh:

SOOOOOO.... now, not only am I buying & closing on my house in 3 weeks, I have 5 months remaining on my lease downtown houston, (2 payments are in my future) and just to put the cherry on top of it all... a BMW that needs a new transmission and clutch. Looks like I was much harder on it in Mexico than I thought.

Aint life just grand! I feel lame, cause ever since I took my bike to the shop for the clutch, I've been riding my bicycle to work. Somehow, even though Im doing the environment a favor, I feel like a dork doing it. :rofl:

[hetkind]

you might be far better off pulling the gearbox yourself and sending it out for rebuild...Tom Cutter is the fellow I use and he did two for me last year at under $800 for the gearbox rebuild and ALL the clutch parts...

Howard


No... its really just building out a new Man Castle. Not from the "do I need it" perspective... from the "What would be cool that sets my garage apart from others" perspective.

Use some engineering and make something pimpin!



Squeaky... My bike is sitting at Wild West BMW right now. I took it in to get a new clutch, but just found out that Dan says a new transmission is in my future! :eek2: :doh:

SOOOOOO.... now, not only am I buying & closing on my house in 3 weeks, I have 5 months remaining on my lease downtown houston, (2 payments are in my future) and just to put the cherry on top of it all... a BMW that needs a new transmission and clutch. Looks like I was much harder on it in Mexico than I thought.

Aint life just grand! I feel lame, cause ever since I took my bike to the shop for the clutch, I've been riding my bicycle to work. Somehow, even though Im doing the environment a favor, I feel like a dork doing it. :rofl:

[Grover]

you might be far better off pulling the gearbox yourself and sending it out for rebuild...Tom Cutter is the fellow I use and he did two for me last year at under $800 for the gearbox rebuild and ALL the clutch parts...

Howard

Im interested! Can you please PM me his contact info! I appreciate it.

[2Dogs]

Could have saved a lot of money, if you would have just used duct tape.

[hetkind]

Im interested! Can you please PM me his contact info! I appreciate it.


http://www.rubberchickenracinggarage.com/ and tell him Howard and Jill from Texas sent you...his turn around is usually only a few weeks and it will be done right. the BMW rebuilt gearboxes for the oilheads are JUNK.

Howard

[scar04]

I hate to bring up dead threads, BUT, I saw these and thought Id pass the website along. http://griotsgarage.com/category/in+your+garage/garage+storage+solutions/garage+cabinets.do
THey have everything from car detailing to garage rebuilding stuff.

[thebeancounter]

Howdy,

:tab I have never been one to be really organized. No doubt, Txmedic will likely stroke out when he sees the disarray in my garage. Worse yet, I have curious little fingers eager to explore the colored cans and bottles scattered about the various shelves. I need an upright cabinet, preferably metal, that will lock/latch so I can keep out kids. Home Depot was a bust. Sears was a bust. What do you guys do?
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The best thing I ever did was to find a homeowner who was completely redoing their kitchen. Their contractor was going to charge them $3k to remove the old kitchen cabinets, so I did it for half that amount and now I have solid oak cabinets in the garage, complete with marble counter tops. Everything is behind a door which really makes the garage look neat. I also built overhead hanging shelves. These are quite popular these days at the home shows, but being cheap, I built my opwn to hang above the garage door. You can get a lot of stuff to hang from these and they are completly out of the way. I can get the wife's SUV and my two motorcycles in the garage along with a lot of other stuff. Next time you are in Dallas stop by and I'll give you the garage tour.

[Mike in Clear Lake]

I've started on this myself. In fact my first project was repairing some holes in the drywall (see book review section on Drywall), which finished up quite nicely. I have been to both Home Depot and Lowe's. Both hardware stores sell garage ensembles that include a variety of cabinets, open shelves, and hanging solutions. Judging from this year's travel schedule it will not be until late summer before this project is finished.

[kingham]

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The best thing I ever did was to find a homeowner who was completely redoing their kitchen. Their contractor was going to charge them $3k to remove the old kitchen cabinets, so I did it for half that amount and now I have solid oak cabinets in the garage, complete with marble counter tops. Everything is behind a door which really makes the garage look neat. I also built overhead hanging shelves. These are quite popular these days at the home shows, but being cheap, I built my opwn to hang above the garage door. You can get a lot of stuff to hang from these and they are completly out of the way. I can get the wife's SUV and my two motorcycles in the garage along with a lot of other stuff. Next time you are in Dallas stop by and I'll give you the garage tour.



This is the problem.. you think your giving them a good deal.. all you did was give them back $1500 that should have gone into your pocket.

but hey.. It's not my money..

Think about it when you lose your "Real" job to someone that is willing to do it for Half your price ;-)

[Grover]

This is the problem.. you think your giving them a good deal.. all you did was give them back $1500 that should have gone into your pocket.

but hey.. It's not my money..

Think about it when you lose your "Real" job to someone that is willing to do it for Half your price ;-)


Thats what makes the world go round' n 'round.

Arent farmers still complaining about how hard farmin is these days? Even with Govt Sub's?

Once our economy moved from Farming & Ag, over the Industry and Manufacturing, doesnt the Manufacturing unions complain that they are losing their jobs?

We change from an Industrial Economy to a Knowledge Workforce, and its all the IT folks who complain that the cheaper jobs are being oursourced to India and elsewhere.

Its the evolution of economic cycles... dont be sore because he decided to do a job cheaper and get some personal benefit out of it in the process. You can pay $70 a week to have your lawn professionally groomed too. I just as soon pay a Mexican $15 for the same service without the uniform and the fancy truck with the digital graphics on the side. Thats more money for me!

And as soon as as someone who can come take my office, and do the same job as I do for half the money, is the day I start finding more lucrative sources of income. :trust:

[hetkind]

so you feel justified in paying a mexican a wage that is 20% of going wage because he is mexican and can't complain? can't you find cheaper child labor? I am sure there is some pregnant women, down on her luck who will do it for $14

or if you really want to save money, pick up one of the day laborers and then stiff him...

I just hope you are never on the other end of the economic stick...

Howard

[Grover]

so you feel justified in paying a mexican a wage that is 20% of going wage because he is mexican and can't complain? can't you find cheaper child labor? I am sure there is some pregnant women, down on her luck who will do it for $14

or if you really want to save money, pick up one of the day laborers and then stiff him...

I just hope you are never on the other end of the economic stick...

Howard

I can find cheaper labor in fact. We can put all of em out of work by coughing up the $0.75 in gasoline it takes to mow the yard and do it ourselves. (I do mow my own lawn by the way) Then the Professional White guy, the Mexican, and the Pregnant woman, and the child laborers can all sit on an empty milk crate outside of a liquor store and complain how hard it is to be them. All the while, I pass them up to go inside Spec's to buy my 6 pack of Guinness with all the money I saved from doing it myself.

Oh the humor in it all... a lot of things I say are tongue and cheek, and cant take me literally.

[hetkind]

Im interested! Can you please PM me his contact info! I appreciate it.


Tom charges real money, so you might not be interested. Why don't you try the desperate pregnant woman first?

if the cheap labor thing doesn't work for you, he runs the rubber chicken racing garage (google rubber chicken racing). He did two gear boxes and a set of heads for me, and supplied three wilbers shocks. Plus he's a racer in the senior novice class...

Howard

[SeanFromTX]

Another + for the IKEA stuff. I went to the store in Frisco for the 1st time a few weeks ago and came out with lots of ideas. I really like the white storage cabinets too. On last item. I posted up a pretty cool web site called "The Garage Journal" some time back and they even have a message board. Lots of good ideas to be found there too. http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/

[Grover]

Tom charges real money, so you might not be interested. Why don't you try the desperate pregnant woman first?

if the cheap labor thing doesn't work for you, he runs the rubber chicken racing garage (google rubber chicken racing). He did two gear boxes and a set of heads for me, and supplied three wilbers shocks. Plus he's a racer in the senior novice class...

Howard

Um... kind of sounds exactly like the same Tom whom I bought a set of bronze pivot bearings I currently have in my GS, after the previous lead. He wasnt the one to rebuild my gear box but I did buy some bearings from him.

Now we're name dropping to prove a point? I dont get it... :giveup:

BTW: If you know the names of any desperate pregnant women... by all means, you can name drop all day. Know a desperate pregnant Mexican woman who mows lawns? Should be entertaining...

I suppose thin skin comes in many shades.

[Tourmeister]

Man :roll: What is it lately?! Seems a lot of folks are a bit testy. I don't get it? The weather has been awesome so there is no excuse! Relax.

[Grover]

Man :roll: What is it lately?! Seems a lot of folks are a bit testy. I don't get it? The weather has been awesome so there is no excuse! Relax.

I was wondering the same thing Scott. Its either the weather or in the water. If someones got a hot button to push, people can always count on me to find it and push it sooner or later. "Hey... whats this button do"?

[Brotha J]

At my old house in Dallas, I found some old school gym lockers that had been thrown out. I painted them all gun metal gray, high gloss paint to cover up the General Lee Orange paint job they had. Had a nice row of em, and it looked MINT when I was done.

Lockers had locks on each compartment/door for added security, and needless to say they were about the most sturdy thing you can ever afford to put in a garage.

I just eye-spied a sett of lockers at my local thrift store. Coincidently they are orange as well.

Are they truly good for organizing the garage?

[Grover]

I just eye-spied a sett of lockers at my local thrift store. Coincidently they are orange as well.

Are they truly good for organizing the garage?

Yup... they werk great. You can come over to my house and check em out. I just bought 7 ft worth 7 ft long, 6 ft high bank of lockers. Just painted them today in fact (These I just bought were light beige, or sand color: Painted Black). I will try and take some pictures and post on Monday of my setup.

[kingham]

I can find cheaper labor in fact. We can put all of em out of work by coughing up the $0.75 in gasoline it takes to mow the yard and do it ourselves. (I do mow my own lawn by the way) Then the Professional White guy, the Mexican, and the Pregnant woman, and the child laborers can all sit on an empty milk crate outside of a liquor store and complain how hard it is to be them. All the while, I pass them up to go inside Spec's to buy my 6 pack of Guinness with all the money I saved from doing it myself.

Oh the humor in it all... a lot of things I say are tongue and cheek, and cant take me literally.

who cares about the $0.75 for the gas.. what is your time worth. looks like $8.oo per/hr when your mowing your own lawn. I wouldn't get out of bed for $8 an hour. I'd rather pay Juan to mow my lawn on saturday so I can go riding.

microeconomics 101. opprotunity costs....

[Grover]

who cares about the $0.75 for the gas.. what is your time worth. looks like $8.oo per/hr when your mowing your own lawn. I wouldn't get out of bed for $8 an hour. I'd rather pay Juan to mow my lawn on saturday so I can go riding.

microeconomics 101. opprotunity costs....

Judging from your avatar, some mowing time, or some bicycle time would do some good instead of that moto ride! :thumb:

I kind of like appearing ghetto by mowing my own lawn.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=-xEzGIuY7kw

[kingham]

Judging from your avatar, some mowing time, or some bicycle time would do some good instead of that moto ride! :thumb:

I kind of like appearing ghetto by mowing my own lawn.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=-xEzGIuY7kw


I love weird Al. now that's some funny stuff.

Your right.. pay the neighbors kid to mow your lawn and lets go riding.
:rider: :rider: :rider:

[Grover]

I love weird Al. now that's some funny stuff.

Your right.. pay the neighbors kid to mow your lawn and lets go riding.
:rider: :rider: :rider:

+1 :thumb:

[euromedic]

Your right.. pay the neighbors kid to mow your lawn and lets go riding.
:rider: :rider: :rider:

:clap:

I mow my own, justification to go ride ;-)

[RR Rider]

I was at Sam's yesterday and they have a metal 4 unit system with shelves, work surface and drawers for about 400 bucks. You can mix and match the parts to fit your space/needs. Quality is good.

[kingham]

I was at Sam's yesterday and they have a metal 4 unit system with shelves, work surface and drawers for about 400 bucks. You can mix and match the parts to fit your space/needs. Quality is good.

When you want your garage to look like this

http://www.texasoffroad.net/albums/members/album207/paul_smith_big_garage.sized.jpg



Call me

[hetkind]

does the lift get in the way of the roll-up door?

[Grover]

When you want your garage to look like this

http://www.texasoffroad.net/albums/members/album207/paul_smith_big_garage.sized.jpg



Call me

Is that stock 18" or 24" VCT tile?

I just tiled my garage with 12" Armstrong Stonetex VCT. Used white stone for the main body with a black edged border. Looks mint! It was my first D-I-Y tile job, but I am very pleased with the results. Even bought the rubber base moulding.

Need to get some pics of my setup... mine doesnt look as nice as the one you have your pic... but for my humble garage, it'll do.

[kingham]

Is that stock 18" or 24" VCT tile?

I just tiled my garage with 12" Armstrong Stonetex VCT. Used white stone for the main body with a black edged border. Looks mint! It was my first D-I-Y tile job, but I am very pleased with the results. Even bought the rubber base moulding.

Need to get some pics of my setup... mine doesnt look as nice as the one you have your pic... but for my humble garage, it'll do.

It's just a garage right:mrgreen: I hear that all the time.

you'll get good wear out of the VCT. I bet it looks good.


That floor was an epoxy job. 6 coats: light gray and medium gray checkers with a charcoal border then two coats of clear on top and final polyurethane topcoat. The cabinets are my designed by myself and built at my shop.

This was for a client of mine.. Mine doesn't look this good. but I'm about to redo mine and update it to my new specs.
.

[hetkind]

big cost of paint there...I have looked at the two part epoxy paints and they are proud of them...I tend to seal concrete with Tompsons and leave it at that...

Howard

[kingham]

big cost of paint there...I have looked at the two part epoxy paints and they are proud of them...I tend to seal concrete with Tompsons and leave it at that...

Howard

Never said it was cheap.. but it will last a lot longer and looks awesome.

another thing we are getting into is polishing concrete and adding a fortifier/densfier. comes out to a high shine that will last even longer than epoxy. but of course it's more expensive. definately in the concrete coatings business you get what you pay for.

crap... nothings cheap these days

[Grover]

crap... nothings cheap these days

VCT is!

I think my Stonetex VCT was about as cheap as floor paint.

I scored my Armstrong for $0.40 Sq ft. I know thats not common, but heck, I couldnt pass that up. Now that my floor is mostly chalk white, I find myself sweeping and shop vac'in a whole bunch.... but afterall its just a shop floor right? Right... but its a purdy one too. :trust: