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Duke
03-24-2007, 11:08 PM
Look Mom, No Stand! (I HATE SAND:giveup: )
http://r1200gsa.smugmug.com/photos/138382526-L.jpg

Reflection & Anticipation
http://r1200gsa.smugmug.com/photos/138383552-L.jpg

Did I tell you all that I hate sand!
http://r1200gsa.smugmug.com/photos/138383314-L.jpg

Found some really nice allbeit very localized bluebonnets & some really pretty Dogwood Trees along my ride today.

http://r1200gsa.smugmug.com/photos/138383416-L.jpg

http://r1200gsa.smugmug.com/photos/138383571-L.jpg

http://r1200gsa.smugmug.com/photos/138383456-L.jpg


I will put a map shot up eventually, but suffice it to say I have a new appreciation for San Augustine County... I mean Sand Augustsand County

dbdolan
03-25-2007, 09:25 AM
Oh yeah, looks like my kind of roads. I am all hyped up on coffee right now and looking at these pics makes me want to go find some fun dirt roads, I think I am going to head out today and explore.:rider: Thanks for the report Duke, looked like fun.

Chirpy
03-25-2007, 09:58 AM
Milam County has about all the graded dirt county roads you can stand...

Thunderchild
03-25-2007, 10:50 AM
Very nice photos. How did you like the sand? :lol2:

Me and a buddy hit some dirt roads in Wichita County yesterday. Ripping good time!

http://i142.photobucket.com/albums/r100/willum556/XR/xr_road.jpg

Duke
03-25-2007, 11:28 AM
Very nice photos. How did you like the sand? :lol2:

Me and a buddy hit some dirt roads in Wichita County yesterday. Ripping good time!

http://i142.photobucket.com/albums/r100/willum556/XR/xr_road.jpg

Very cool picture. Now your just showing off. I did good to keep mine straight at 15-18 mph much faster and it would fish tail, much slower and I would nose dive. It was comical to watch me try an turn in the sand. I have never before wished so hard for a straight road.

I wish I could ride like you!

Gilk51
03-25-2007, 02:24 PM
I did good to keep mine straight at 15-18 mph much faster and it would fish tail, much slower and I would nose dive.
All those stickers on the cases didn't help? :-P

DANNYROTH
03-25-2007, 09:47 PM
It would be real good to have a "Sand Day" for someone that is that skilled would train those of us that are a bit intimidated by the stuff. I found that keeping my bike around 45 MPH gets it up on top of the sand, but I want to be able to ride at a speed that will not freak out other travelers on the road. I need some serious schooling on managing turns and going around curves. My sense of self-preservation overrides my adventurous spirit.

TWTourist
03-25-2007, 09:55 PM
It would be real good to have a "Sand Day" for someone that is that skilled would train those of us that are a bit intimidated by the stuff.

I need some serious schooling on managing turns and going around curves. My sense of self-preservation overrides my adventurous spirit.

+1

Duke
03-25-2007, 09:58 PM
All those stickers on the cases didn't help? :-P

I truly want to believe that you are yanking my chain, all in good fun, but are you really?

Not that I have to justify anything that I chose to do, but a poser I am not.

Stickers to me are like my Sea Bag was when I served in the Navy. I would write on my bag every duty station or TAD assignment that I was ordered to. This is same thing that those more senior than I did and it was cool to look at theirs, and you should have seen mine after 4 years. (but it did not help me pack the bag)

Same philosophy with my bike(s). You will not see an "I SURVIVED THE DAKAR RALLY" or "BAJA 250/500/1000 Finisher" or Pit Crew stickers for that matter on my bike. The stickers are simply a way to document where I have been, on THIS bike. It is fun for me, it also makes me stop riding for a while in the towns that I come to and go down main street looking for them, along the way meeting some very interesting people, all adding to my memories.

I don't know how a Yellowstone, Grand Canyon and Glacier National Park or my Canada location stickers are supposed to make me a more competent rider in the sand?

When I look at them on that day I eventually get around to washing the bike it does bring back good memories. And as a bonus it is a great ice breaker when meeting new people. "Did you really ride that far?" is allot more fun way to start a conversation than answering "I didn't know that BMW made motorcycles..." At least it is for me.

I did not know that a sticker could help make me better rider. But if you know of one I will most certainly put it on, as I, without question need all the help I can get.

Duke
03-25-2007, 10:06 PM
It would be real good to have a "Sand Day" for someone that is that skilled would train those of us that are a bit intimidated by the stuff. I found that keeping my bike around 45 MPH gets it up on top of the sand, but I want to be able to ride at a speed that will not freak out other travelers on the road. I need some serious schooling on managing turns and going around curves. My sense of self-preservation overrides my adventurous spirit.

EEGAAADSS 45MPH! I was happy finally being able to put my feet back on the pegs while in a straight line. I cant imagine trying to turn while moving that fast. There was a deffinate moment of stability for me (While in a straight line mind you) at just about 15 mph creeping up to 20mph. When I went faster you could feel the back wheel get loose and when on a 600 pound pig it scares me. Slower than that and the front wheel would plow on me and the back end would try to become the front if you know what I mean.

I am so tempted to pick up a small plated dirt bike and go play on the roads that are challenging for me on the pig.

Gilk51
03-25-2007, 10:13 PM
I truly want to believe that you are yanking my chain, all in good fun, but are you really?
It was in good fun - I thought that the general comment was "stickers make it go faster" and I thought that would help your speed more.

Sorry if it was taken otherwise.

Duke
03-25-2007, 10:22 PM
It was in good fun - I thought that the general comment was "stickers make it go faster" and I thought that would help your speed more.

Sorry if it was taken otherwise.

No problem, now I know for sure. "Stickers make it go faster" I like that.

P.S. not that you would know, but I just got through defending my choice of bikes and why I ride with my cases on, and why I must be an idiot for putting stickers all over the bike. I was still in that train of thought when I read your post. Don't hold it against me please.

Humble Regards,
Duke

ThirdCoast
03-25-2007, 10:30 PM
I am so tempted to pick up a small plated dirt bike and go play on the roads that are challenging for me on the pig.

Go for it, you will love it. :trust:

Great looking bike by the way. I had the 1150 GS for about two or three years. Rode that thing everywhere, loved it. I even made it through copper canyon and part of the Trans American Trail in Arkansas. But you know I never got comfortable on that bike in dirt, unless graded gravel or something like that. Maybe rocky trails up hill were ok.... But, I loved the bike.

SO, I sold it and got another boxer, the R1200RT, screw it, it is a road bike for sure now. Then on the side I got a little DR650 Suzuki. Ha - what a change. All of a sudden I knew how to ride in the dirt, well sort - of kind of for a trail rider. And it became a really fun thing to do. I love that little 650 single. :rider:

Major respect here for those that do handle the big BMWs in the dirt. For me I think I'll just stick to the big singles even if it means putting it on a trailer to get to the good stuff. Seems to work for me anyway.

EDIT to say - Great Pictures and real nice ride report. Thanks for that.

Squeaky
03-25-2007, 10:35 PM
P.S. not that you would know, but I just got through defending my choice of bikes and why I ride with my cases on, and why I must be an idiot for putting stickers all over the bike.

Chuck was kidding. Heck, he rides a V-Strom, so something is amiss with his sense of style anyway...

:duck:

Gilk51
03-25-2007, 10:38 PM
Chuck was kidding. Heck, he rides a V-Strom, so something is amiss with his sense of style anyway...
Well, I'll bet the quote I used probably meant racing stickers, but I figured any old stickers would help... :shrug:
:mrgreen:

Chirpy
03-25-2007, 10:39 PM
I did not know that a sticker could help make me better rider. But if you know of one I will most certainly put it on, as I, without question need all the help I can get.

If you pick up two, I'll buy the other one off of you.

I'm still planning a "dirt day" for early May before it gets too hot. If things go right, there will be at least three XR100s and a freshly groomed oval. Not too mention all the county roads you can handle to practice on.

Duke
03-25-2007, 10:41 PM
Chuck was kidding. Heck, he rides a V-Strom, so something is amiss with his sense of style anyway...

:duck:

It wasn't until after I had posted my reply that I realized it was him. Note to self... read ENTIRE post before flying off of the handle.

Duke
03-25-2007, 11:13 PM
If you pick up two, I'll buy the other one off of you.

I'm still planning a "dirt day" for early May before it gets too hot. If things go right, there will be at least three XR100s and a freshly groomed oval. Not too mention all the county roads you can handle to practice on.

XR100's that brings back some memories. Aside from our Honda Big Red, the first real motorcycle I had was a Honda CR80. That thing would run with the 125's and I could beat the 250's off the line and through 3rd. Then they would scream by. But it is fun when your able to really embarass the older guys in high school by beating them in a short drag race with me on my "mini-bike" and them on the big 250's. I eventually grew to where I could handle a 250 and dad bought a new to me one on on my 16th birthday. I loved that CR250 and I think that is my problem when I get the pig off the hard stuff.

I went into the navy in 89 and bought a VT1100 shadow, and then moved up to a hand me down GL1500, and then bought a GL1800. Infact this pig I now own is the first non-Honda product I have ever owned. I have ridden only street and only large street bikes since the summer of 1989. Less than a year ago when I bought the GS was the first time that I have been in the dirt in a very long time.

Anyway. When I get the GS off in the dirt I feel like a teenager again, like I was riding my 250. Just when I think that I am getting good enough to manuver, I lose control. I have never laid the GS over, but I think that is only because I am tall enough and fat enough to support its weight.

I don't know how to explain it, but on the CR's, I never thought about how to ride, I just rode. There used to be a place off a forgotten about county road near my parents that we called the sand pit. You all know the place as I am sure you had one near where you grew up. It is where you would go on a friday night with friends when there was nothing to do in town and turn the radio up. It was also the place we would meet with our bikes after school and on weekends and go through 3 fill ups of fuel having to much fun. Jumping, and racing on our pretty good if not imaginary MX track. Never worried about laying it down. Never worried about breaking it. All though it would blow hard when you landed hard and popped the chain, (you would only do that once!)

Now I can't stop thinking about how to ride. I try to imagine how I rode the 250 in the sand and think that I am doing the same. Sit back, light on the bars, give it fuel... SMILE.. So far that is not working to well.

In that first picture of the pig snowplowed in the sand, I was clipping along at about 40/50 mph on hard pack with some gravel, having the time of my life, singing in my helmet. When I rounded a bend and WHAM, I am all over the road. I went hard right, near up to the burm, pulled it back to the left and that is when I centered on the burm in the middle of the road. The bike came to a stop, REAL FAST. So fast I did good not to go over the handlebars. I had the clutch pulled in and at a standstill when I realized that my feet were on the pegs, I am not moving, but I am not falling over.... needless to say that was a pretty odd moment. I hop off and take the obligatory photos. and think about just how close I came to hurting myself. I get back on the bike and after several trys to ride out of the sand pile, I get moving again.

Over the next couple of hours riding the back county roads with more sandy sections than hard stuff I gradually get my confidence up to relax if the front tire 'wiggles' when entering the sand from the hard stuff. I still don't like it, because even though my brain knows that speed keeps the gyroscopes upright and pointed. My butt is telling me something totally different and the pucker factor over rides.

Oh well, I guess like with anything in life. The more you do it, the more complacent... err, competent you get. I need to get back and visits my parents more and while there go play on the surrounding county roads.

Duke
03-25-2007, 11:25 PM
Go for it, you will love it. :trust:

Great looking bike by the way. I had the 1150 GS for about two or three years. Rode that thing everywhere, loved it. I even made it through copper canyon and part of the Trans American Trail in Arkansas. But you know I never got comfortable on that bike in dirt, unless graded gravel or something like that. Maybe rocky trails up hill were ok.... But, I loved the bike.

SO, I sold it and got another boxer, the R1200RT, screw it, it is a road bike for sure now. Then on the side I got a little DR650 Suzuki. Ha - what a change. All of a sudden I knew how to ride in the dirt, well sort - of kind of for a trail rider. And it became a really fun thing to do. I love that little 650 single. :rider:

Major respect here for those that do handle the big BMWs in the dirt. For me I think I'll just stick to the big singles even if it means putting it on a trailer to get to the good stuff. Seems to work for me anyway.

EDIT to say - Great Pictures and real nice ride report. Thanks for that.

I thought really hard about the RT, those are very nice. This GS is still by far, the most exciting bike for me that I have ever owned. Even if it does scare me from time to time. I see that there is a very good looking KLR for sale in the San Antonio area right now.... Hmmm.... I am actually going to be working in San Antonio this Wed - Friday... Hmmmm.....

Chirpy
03-25-2007, 11:54 PM
I don't know how to explain it, but on the CR's, I never thought about how to ride, I just rode.

And that is the key, right there. The one thing that Freddie and Kenny both agree on, is that you teach on XR100s. They are unintimidating enough that you can try stuff you wouldn't dare on a bigger bike. And when you mess up, you can usually save it, or if you don't, you remain injury free.

You're still on the ground, you're just not hurt.

The payoff is all the reflexes you learn with 6HP at 20mph transfers to 160HP and 120MPH. Getting good and comfy in the dirt, and being okay with the bike getting loose goes a long way towards keeping the peace on a big bike when things go south.

Photojojo
03-26-2007, 06:29 AM
Stand up and stay steady on the gas. It's an acquired skill that can only be learned with practice. That said I still don't like sand all that much.

ThirdCoast
03-26-2007, 07:00 AM
Stand up and stay steady on the gas. It's an acquired skill that can only be learned with practice. That said I still don't like sand all that much.

I am no expert but steady on the gas in soft sand.... dunno. It seems to me that when the front starts to wash out applied throttle seems to straighten it up for me. I am still practicing and loving it on the smaller DR650. :clap:

Oh and get knobbie tires, that helps a bunch.

Photojojo
03-26-2007, 07:19 AM
Your right. I guess my point was to not let off the gas or brake.

In MOST situations if you think your going to go down on a bike giving it gas will save you. It some situations though your going to get hurt. That's why we ride AGATT, especially on dirt.

ThirdCoast
03-26-2007, 07:32 AM
That's why we ride AGATT, especially on dirt.

I am more AGATT than the average Joe, but I need to beef that up for dirt riding. I am still working on that. Durn motorcycles, all the upgrades and improvements. Looking for better boots and gloves at this point.

Buying a bike is not finished with the initial deal. It is kind of like a marrage, it just never seems to end.

XR650Rocketman
03-26-2007, 07:52 AM
Your right. I guess my point was to not let off the gas or brake.

In MOST situations if you think your going to go down on a bike giving it gas will save you. It some situations though your going to get hurt. That's why we ride AGATT, especially on dirt.


I thought that Francisco "Agatt" was an Italian road racer......must be the generation "agapp' again....

Oh yeah back to the sand.....

Chopping the throttle will nose dive the bike and contribute to an early demise...In simple terms.....The faster you go the more you get up on top, just like when you water ski.....It can take a lot of Horse Power and an increased comfort level to look good in sand.....

The best thing is it usually doesn't hurt so much when you get it wrong....It just "keeps you humble".

Duke
03-26-2007, 10:41 AM
Chopping the throttle will nose dive the bike and contribute to an early demise

That pretty much sums me up..

1. Hit sand
2. Get nervous
3. Get off the gas
4. Deploy outriggers
5. Start paddling
6. Think about it, and realize I should not have done steps 3-5.
6. Get on gas
7. Retrieve out riggers
8. Cuss outloud
9. Say to my self, don't do that again.
10. Repeat.

thumper
03-26-2007, 10:54 AM
I am so tempted to pick up a small plated dirt bike and go play on the roads that are challenging for me on the pig.

Don't go too small...you'll be disappointed.

Greasemonkey
03-26-2007, 01:15 PM
As far as sticker's I thought they were to hide boo-boo's.Desmo and dbdolan would be good guys to watch in the sand,they have impressed me.How any one can take a large bike thru some of this stuff is amazing and costly if you don't make it.My hats off to all of ya'll.

I try to be nice in case I need to borrow fuel;-)

Tourmeister
03-26-2007, 02:32 PM
:tab I learned riding in the sand on the 1150GS... :eek2: Eventually I even came to enjoy it :dude: It can be done on Tourances or the like, but the TKC-80's make a world of difference!! It is a fine balance between applying so much power the back end just digs in and not enough to keep the front from plowing. You DEFINITELY need to be standing up so you can shift your weight around!! When slowing, I would shift my weight back and use engine braking or the rear brake, never the front! Once you commit to the turn, it's all about staying on the gas! The fear has to be subdued or you will never make it. It is a question of willing away the fear and forcing yourself not to panic even when every fiber of your body is screaming, "This is NOT right!!"

:tab I had the pleasure of leading a pack of nuts (XR650Rocketman, Rockmantex, and a few others all on 650's) into some deep East Texas sand on a July 4th DS ride a few years ago while I was still on the GS. What a hoot!! I could not run the sand as fast as they wanted to though. In the end, the weight of the GS is just too much. The KLR is easier to ride in sand for sure.

:tab I enjoyed the explanation for the stickers. Good thinking.

Teeds
03-26-2007, 03:30 PM
I am no expert but steady on the gas in soft sand.... dunno. It seems to me that when the front starts to wash out applied throttle seems to straighten it up for me. I am still practicing and loving it on the smaller DR650. :clap:

Oh and get knobbie tires, that helps a bunch.


DRs are good, real good. I can't imagine a big Beemer in the sand ... but then I am scared of anything that outweighs me by three ...

Regarding stickers ... if they make bikes fasters and the correlation works for refrigerators as well, I have a very fast refrigerator!

I like stickers!

Duke
03-26-2007, 04:29 PM
I have knobbies in the garage, waiting to put them on until I head out to Big Bend next week.

Now, I have been bitten by the bug hard.

I really like the XR650L & the R. But am curious why there are not more of them. Is it really that hard to plate a 650R? Seems that I always see a KLR or DRZ when I am out running around. I don't see too many XR's. So whats the secret. Do the XR riders stay in hiding and are just antisocial. :)

I will not ask a poll of which bike to get, as we are all very loyal to the ones that we bought. But the XR650L sure does look good!

Teeds
03-26-2007, 04:40 PM
Ls come street legal, but Rs don't. I've ridden both and own an R. I just got a DR ... met ThirdCoast there as well ... cuz I am too short to really enjoy the R, except when I want to fly. Now, flying is good, when one is not encumbered with a bunch of gear, but for multi-day trips, the R does not suit me.

dbdolan
03-26-2007, 04:50 PM
As far as sticker's I thought they were to hide boo-boo's.Desmo and dbdolan would be good guys to watch in the sand,they have impressed me.How any one can take a large bike thru some of this stuff is amazing and costly if you don't make it.My hats off to all of ya'll.

I try to be nice in case I need to borrow fuel;-)
I think Cagiva 549 was the man in the sand when we made the beach run, he was slinging that KTM 950 adv. through that sand like a champ. Made me tired just watching him.

XR650Rocketman
03-26-2007, 04:58 PM
I have knobbies in the garage, waiting to put them on until I head out to Big Bend next week.

Now, I have been bitten by the bug hard.

I really like the XR650L & the R. But am curious why there are not more of them. Is it really that hard to plate a 650R? Seems that I always see a KLR or DRZ when I am out running around. I don't see too many XR's. So whats the secret. Do the XR riders stay in hiding and are just antisocial. :)

I will not ask a poll of which bike to get, as we are all very loyal to the ones that we bought. But the XR650L sure does look good!

I don't think it's possible to answer some of your questions without offending a lot of people and starting a debate for which there really is no end.......

It's a personal preference thing is the easiest way for me to describe it.....

Some facts are easy to state.....XR650L's are great bikes and XR650R's are easy to plate with a little investment in time and money.
There are always some DRZ's at the end of all the D/S rides.....They just don't get there quite as quickly sometimes.

Glad you have the "bug", it's contageous isn't it?

Duke
03-26-2007, 05:40 PM
Glad you have the "bug", it's contageous isn't it?

Yes sir it is.

As for Questions.... it was more Rhetorical than anything else. Just an observation that I have. As with all bike purchases... You buy what you want, not what you need.

I see a light bike and a long stretch of beach in my future!

Jack Giesecke
03-26-2007, 06:59 PM
Sand is much more fun on a dirt bike, one that weighs, say, under 500 lbs? BWAAAAAA, ha, ha, ha! :rofl: Try under 300 lbs for a rockin' good time. :mrgreen: I don't particularly like my Goldwing in sand, either. :rolleyes: I remember once burying my GS750 with the sidecar attached down at Corpus on the bay beach. We were down there for a rally. I had plenty of help moving it, fortunately. :lol2: I reckon the 2wd Ural would have been better, but then I might have not gotten to Corpus on a Ural. Is that a catch 22? :rofl:

If you're a real iron butt, a XR650L will do. But, those things aren't really touring bikes and aren't that comfy for long miles. Just depends on what you wanna do with the bike. There's a tool for every situation. I think about the best compromise for in state adv touring, and this is from a non-adv tourer YET, is the Kaw KLR. It's more comfy out on the highway, yet MUCH lighter than the converted street bikes. I've come to appreciate the KLR over time. The new update is past due. Has the new one come out, yet, you KLR guys???? I'll be wantin' to check that one out. I hope they keep the price down on the new one. Hope I didn't PO too many people by my attempt at DP bike sarcastic humor, either. :mrgreen:

Duke
03-26-2007, 07:03 PM
I reckon the 2wd Ural would have been better, but then I might have not gotten to Corpus on a Ural. Is that a catch 22? :rofl:

Now thats funny!

DANNYROTH
03-26-2007, 08:24 PM
[QUOTE=R1200GSA]I
I really like the XR650L & the R. But am curious why there are not more of them. Is it really that hard to plate a 650R? Seems that I always see a KLR or DRZ when I am out running around. I don't see too many XR's. So whats the secret. Do the XR riders stay in hiding and are just antisocial. :)

QUOTE]

There aren't as many of us XR herders as there are KLR riders. If you go somewhere folks are getting ready to do some really serious RoUgH, fast riding you will see a lot higher ratio of XR machines.

I was looking for a KLR when I found a GREAT DEAL on my XR650L. I still covet the KLRs.

The L is a domesticated brother to the R, which is a serious off-road machine. Part of the domestication means less performance, the R will run circles around the L. L is air cooled, R is liquid cooled with a radiator, which is good for low speed churning on a hot day. Dual Sport kits are readily available for the R, and the install will result in a high performance off-road monster that can also eat up the road. KLRs come standard with all kinds of things I wanted to install on my XRL when I got it (HUGE 6 Gal. fuel capacity, rack, windshield, wide seat). Aftermarket farkles are not easily found for the XR family, you can get all kinds of goodies (some absolutely useless) for the KLR.

KLRs are better for long, hard-surface road, XRs are better when it gets rough. Here's a proven fact: A competent rider on a KLR with the right tires will tear up a novice (like me) on an XR.

EDIT: I forgot one thing, XRs are much easier to control if your inseam is over 32"!

ThirdCoast
03-26-2007, 08:45 PM
DRs are good, real good.
Regarding stickers ... if they make bikes fasters and the correlation works for refrigerators as well, I have a very fast refrigerator!

I like stickers!

Ditto on the stickers, I have a fast refrigerator too!

DRs are good, you just picked one up from my friend a couple weeks ago. How is it doing for you? It was good meeting you briefly that day.

Teeds
03-26-2007, 09:01 PM
Ditto on the stickers, I have a fast refrigerator too!

DRs are good, you just picked one up from my friend a couple weeks ago. How is it doing for you? It was good meeting you briefly that day.

You know it is kinda funny ... I have not seen the bike in a week :doh:

I unloaded it at Suzy's house Sunday night and left on a week long trip early Monday. I just got back into town today. I have tires waiting on me to mount and it is off to begin the planning for the Terlingua DS Ride with TBS ... Trail Boss Steve ... we are going to begin mapping the roads and identifying routes for the ride this fall.

I will have a far better impression of the DR following that weekend.

It was great to meet ya and I hope y'all have a safe and fun trip to BB as well.

Teeds
03-26-2007, 09:05 PM
EDIT: I forgot one thing, XRs are much easier to control if your inseam is over 32"!

fixed :trust:

I love my R, but it and I do not meander well. It also does not toodle very well. I'm feeling the toodlability of my DR will be far higher. I like to toodle.

Hairsmith
03-26-2007, 10:43 PM
I just made a run through Sand Augustine county myself last weekend.
I took the KLR:trust: Love my GS but that big pig is a hand full in deep sand where logging trucks have it all tore up.
Duke when you get back up hear get in touch with me. You are welcome to take the KLR out on some of our roads and get a feel for it. You can actually make good time and relax in places that will work you to death on the GS. But the ride from big H up hear is much better on the GS:trust:
There is NO perfect bike for every thing. The GS or KLR will not get you to a checkered flag first, but there are not many places that either one will not take you.

Every one else has given advice on riding a GS-aka-BigPig in sand. Well hear is mine!
DONT
If you must, Like other have said keep the front end light (an impossibility on a pig like the GS) well unless you like running 70-80mph in sand. At least it has enough power to do it. Problem is when you go down at those speeds it is going to go bad! the GS is very crashable and will survive better than most bikes especially big bikes. But there are limitations as to what it will take. I have found that you do have to over exaggerate your body movements on a big bike because it out weighs you so much.
I will ride the GS in the dirt but I will not go looking for it. I do find myself on dirt with it quite regularly (every day) because of where I live,and it is such great bike to explore places I have not bin before.

mcrider
03-27-2007, 12:23 PM
Regarding stickers ... if they make bikes fasters and the correlation works for refrigerators as well, I have a very fast refrigerator!

I like stickers!

Me too! :trust:
http://www.twtex.com/photopost/data/525/Stickers4.JPG

Tourmeister
03-27-2007, 04:07 PM
Think of the XR650R as a race bike. That is pretty much what it was designed to do, race in the desert. The KLR is more of a pack mule that can be ridden in the desert. It will go most of the same places as an XR650R, just not as quickly. So really, it just boils down to what you are trying to accomplish :shrug: On our trip to Mexico last weekend, the bikes were LOADED down with some serious weight and we still had a blast on some seriously nasty roads. Of course, we were not doing 45-50mph either. We were doing more like 25-35mph. The XR650R can be loaded some, but not nearly as much because it lacks a good sturdy subframe to handle the weight. Sprocket did fine on his XR650R and had it loaded pretty good. I don't know how comfortable he was though... We spent the better part of 14 hours on the bikes on Friday.

Photojojo
03-27-2007, 04:15 PM
I think that tool box is older than I am. :mrgreen:

Me too! :trust:
http://www.twtex.com/photopost/data/525/Stickers4.JPG

Teeds
03-27-2007, 04:24 PM
I think that tool box is older than I am. :mrgreen:

Ha, Chris was likely riding before you were born. ;-)

Did y'all get rained out?

mcrider
03-27-2007, 04:25 PM
I got that tool box in 1963 when I worked at a Norton, Ducati, Triumph & Cagiva shop. I was going to the University of Tennessee.

Chirpy
03-27-2007, 04:27 PM
I got that tool box in 1963 when I worked at a Norton, Ducati, Triumph & Cagiva shop. I was going to the University of Tennessee.

That makes me feel not so old. ;-)

thumper
03-27-2007, 04:36 PM
I have knobbies in the garage, waiting to put them on until I head out to Big Bend next week.

Now, I have been bitten by the bug hard.

I will not ask a poll of which bike to get, as we are all very loyal to the ones that we bought. But the XR650L sure does look good!

IMO,you already have alot covered with the GS. So I would go with something to cover everything else that it can't. Such as the XRr,DRZ, or a KTM or anything else under 300lbs. with adequate suspension and hp.

Duke
03-27-2007, 10:38 PM
IMO,you already have alot covered with the GS. So I would go with something to cover everything else that it can't. Such as the XRr,DRZ, or a KTM or anything else under 300lbs. with adequate suspension and hp.

I am a big guy so the bike will have to be able to support me. (I will lose my weight one day..... one day.....) I am fairly tall so a leggy bike is not a problem.

Hairsmith. Thanks for the offer, and you got a deal. Lets plan a ride one weekend, you can ride my bike and I would really enjoy taking the KLR for a spin.

And for all. Even though I say I hate sand, I mean that in a light hearted way. So far I have not laid it over. I am not comfortable in it, but by george I am still having fun. Jimmy Lewis I will never be, but I will not quit searching out the road less traveled. I guess you can equate my struggles in the sand to my short game in golf. I positively stink in the short game. If I don't get on the green with a big club I will never get on, but I still swing for it. And I cuss and I say why did I do it that way, and then repeat for 18 holes. At the end of the day I still say I had fun. Am I making any sense, or am I a glutton for punishment?

XR650Rocketman
03-28-2007, 06:59 AM
I got that tool box in 1963 when I worked at a Norton, Ducati, Triumph & Cagiva shop. I was going to the University of Tennessee.

It still looks pretty serviceable to me Chris.....

We really need to work on getting you a "Lost Trail Rider" sticker for that "ice box"

mcrider
03-28-2007, 10:24 AM
+1 :clap:

jsb223
03-28-2007, 02:58 PM
Milam County has about all the graded dirt county roads you can stand...

Do you have any specific road numbers...

There are some Dual-sport rides starting out of Waco the 1st Sunday of each month...

And we are looking for dirt roads...

Hemibee
04-04-2007, 11:02 AM
I've got only one comment for sand.............. IT SUX


The little whippersnapper get a roost on the old man..........

http://216.165.194.66/archive/members/Eat_my_roost.jpg


My no stand in the sand photo.

http://216.165.194.66/archive/members/P1010045.jpg

Did I mention....................... SAND SUX!

Georgiapeach
04-04-2007, 11:24 AM
Duke, maybe you could come to Outlaw and I'll let you play on the CRF 100.... he, he. That is the funnest bike for me because I can touch really well, tiptoeing on the DRZ got too stressful and then not fun anymore. Besides, I can pick up the 100 if it falls. (notice I say 'it' and not 'me') Maybe I'll step it up someday... the new Suzuki DR200 looks like it might fit my size.

Hemibee
04-04-2007, 11:29 AM
I've got to agree with Georgia, come on out to Outlaw when some of us are riding and work on your skills out there.

Georgia, y'all still planning on trying to ride Saturday? I'm headed out to the garage in a few minutes to get started on getting our bikes ready. Hope GB has the place open, I haven't been out there since the Dirt Days ride.

Tx Rider
04-04-2007, 12:42 PM
EEGAAADSS 45MPH! I was happy finally being able to put my feet back on the pegs while in a straight line. I cant imagine trying to turn while moving that fast. There was a deffinate moment of stability for me (While in a straight line mind you) at just about 15 mph creeping up to 20mph. When I went faster you could feel the back wheel get loose and when on a 600 pound pig it scares me. Slower than that and the front wheel would plow on me and the back end would try to become the front if you know what I mean.

I am so tempted to pick up a small plated dirt bike and go play on the roads that are challenging for me on the pig.

Yup it's a lot more fun on something with half the weight, easier to pick back up too. :rider:

An XR, DRZ or KTM will handle a big fella too, might have to get new springs like any bike. A good long inseam is required though.