Boar Run - We came, we rode and rode and rode and rode and... [Archive]

Hemibee

08-12-2007, 08:57 PM

Great turn out for the annual Montgomery Sport Riders Association (MSRA) Boar Run. :clap: This was only the second time we have opened the event to non-MSRA and/or non-Outlaw Trax members and I do beleive we have a pretty good following for the event.

Each team rode till they could ride no more. Some teams rode the entire event and others gave it their best try. A couple of bike malfunctions ended the hopes of a couple of team but nothing major that a little maintenance won't cure, a busted chain, dirty carb, leaking fork seals and other such activities.

As for as the weather, well Kyle says this :sun: says it all.

As we drove thru the camp area this morning I saw Texas DR, STrider and Woodsguy. Shortly after parking and getting everything unloaded for the parade lap I looked up and saw a pair of blue pants with yellow ducks on them so I knew that Squeaky and FireMalt were there. Shortly after that I saw Stephen Porter and parked just in front of me was ta2240. It looked like TWTs would be pretty well represented at the event with those mentioned above and my crew.

I'll let each of them tell their views of the event but I will say this, I had a blast! I'm sore from a little mishap but that's what happend when you are riding with your head up............. well you get the idea, and you forget about a ditch the size of the grand canyon hiding in the knee high weeds. :eek2:

Pops, you did a great job getting this event layed out and organized. I saw a bunch of smiling faces before, during and after the Boar Run.

I guess it should also be said I heard a couple riders asking "Why did we sign up for this?" followed very quickly by "Are y'all going to do this again next year and open it up to us again?"

AC Cobra

08-12-2007, 09:32 PM

My team ran 18 laps. We were 2 B riders and I was the C rider for the team. I want to do it again next year. We didn't get a trophy but I did get this http://img223.imageshack.us/img223/328/dsc03192re9.jpg

I went down on the last lap when I ran into a tree limb and fell off into a thorn bush which gave me the scratches.

Tourmeister

08-12-2007, 09:39 PM

Unfortunately, I could not get out there before everything was all over. I did manage to get out for a short ride down to Montgomery and Richards. Got to see a double life flight accident on 149 in front of the new bar just East of Richards. Don't know how the riders did it, but one bike was turning into the parking lot and another T-boned him from the other direction. Both bikes were big heavy Harleys and are likely trashed. Two folks left by helicopters and one by ambulance. LOTS of spray paint on the road from the DPS, hehe. I stopped in at the bar to visit with folks, get strange stares because of my full gear and the KLR, and to chug a nice cold coke. It was definitely HOT out there today!

Squeaky

08-12-2007, 10:49 PM

Pops, you did a great job getting this event layed out and organized. I saw a bunch of smiling faces before, during and after the Boar Run.

+1 :clap:

I had a blast and I hope to do it again, but hopefully we won't be doing it again on THE hottest day of the year! New record - the closest airport registered 102F. Add full gear and kickstarting for every lap and every fall, and you've got three teammates melting in front of each others eyes.

Tim (Firemalt) after coming back off his loop. He'd gotten hung up on the Double Dip, and thinks he pulled a muscle coming down.

http://squeaky.smugmug.com/photos/183278059-M.jpg

Me getting ready to head over to the staging area

http://squeaky.smugmug.com/photos/183278073-M.jpg

The handoff. They used color-coded hair scrunchies as "batons" to pass between riders. As we came to the scoring table, we yelled out our color, "GREEN AND WHITE!" and then met our teammate to pass the scrunchie on. We could run in any order, but once we picked an order we had to stick to it.

http://squeaky.smugmug.com/photos/183278104-M.jpg

Each team was comprised of an A/2 hr rider, a B/1 hr rider, and one child (on a 125 or smaller) or beginner lady as the C rider on the smaller course. You guessed it - I was the big kid on the kids course, racing against (and getting humiliated by) kids that were barely four feet tall.

The guys elected me as first up for team "Lame Ducks", which meant a civilized version of a holeshot against half pint my suspension would absorb. I decided to be nice and hand back and hit the trail last. A little girl (must have been about 5) almost came across my path getting from the starting line to the trail, but I managed to avoid her. (I think she might have been the only one I wasn't slower than, and it was her first time.)

I kept a woman on a quad in my sights for the first 30 seconds, but once she was out of view I might as well have been out there alone. These kids were so fast, I was in the woods with 10+ dirt bikes and couldn't hear anything but my own exhaust. I wasn't concerned about staying competitive in the race, but instead was just trying to get through without major injury or embarassment.

There was talk of a racer doing the entire endurance on his own - riding lap after lap for all five hours. I can't even imagine what that would feel like, since I did a total of 3 laps on a ~3.5 mile loop and I'm beat.

Debra (2slo) braved HUGE spiders and thorns to get this shot

http://squeaky.smugmug.com/photos/183278127-M.jpg

Stephen (Porter), whose idea it was to build a team of this caliber.

http://squeaky.smugmug.com/photos/183278180-M.jpg

Tony (Hemibee) swept the kids track most of the day, and did a great job. Glad I could provide some entertainment Tony!

http://squeaky.smugmug.com/photos/183278209-M.jpg

The family of pumpkins based next to us brought this short and furry family member, "Maico" with them. He liked sitting with us in the shade, and I'm sure the fan was a welcome treat.

http://squeaky.smugmug.com/photos/183278224-M.jpg

Despite the heat, falls, pulled muscles, ant bites, dust, and sand we all enjoyed the day and finished up with a smile.

http://squeaky.smugmug.com/photos/183278250-M.jpg

Tourmeister

08-12-2007, 10:54 PM

Awesome! I told you to just have fun and you'd be fine ;-) Your family must think you have gone off the hillbilly deep end running around in the woods on a dirt bike in the heat of summer :lol2: What has your Mom said...? Or does she not know about this bike just yet... :-P

Squeaky

08-12-2007, 10:59 PM

What has your Mom said...? Or does she not know about this bike just yet... :-P

It's been mentiond, but not frequently or in depth. I think she'd rather now know. ;-)

ta2240

08-13-2007, 07:06 AM

Great race Pops! MSRA folks are top notch:thumb: :thumb:
The heat made it interesting.
One of my partners wife took photos and I will post them when I get em.
I have muscles that hurt so bad that it is painful to take a deep breath. I also have two LARGE new bones protruding from my buttock area that I have never felt before. I asked my wife to look at it but she just gave me an odd look:lol2:

My team took 2nd place with 21 laps. I give all the credit to our 65cc rider Wyatt Eversole, He is pretty dang fast. I also give the credit to KTM for building the most incredible off-road bike ever built. I love my new bike.:clap: :clap:

Hemibee it was nice finally meeting you face to face, I will see you at the next STORM race.

Hopefully pics to come

STrider

08-13-2007, 07:46 AM

I came. I saw. I melted.

AC Cobra - I thought you were on a team with your big brother? Was he supposed to be a "B" rider??? If so, we never had a chance.

I was teamed with Jerry and Shirley Evans of MSRA, very nice, friendly, and FAST folks. Shirley was on the quad that Squeak was talking about.

Shirley started out first, so we could allow the main loop to clear a little bit before Jerry and I got on it. Shirley finished her loop, and may have picked up a couple spots in the process. I took our teams second spot, and the first shot on the big loop. Despite Jerry's warning to take it easy, it's just for fun, I went out and tried to win the 5 hour race on the first lap. A faster rider came up behind me, and I tried to let him pass, but waved me on, and stayed right behind me for most of the loop. I tried to go quick enough to not hold him up too much, and blew out the top of a sand berm, laying over and flooding the bike. The rider behind me was the sweeper - just following the course, looking for trouble and people who needed help.

I wasn't sure at the end of that loop I had another one in me, let alone 4.5 hours left, but when my turn came again, I felt better. Our team raced till about 12 - 4 laps each, 3 hours of racing, and I was absolutely beat. I think Jerry was ready to go for more, but I was feeling pretty overheated, and didn't want to risk injury. - Sorry, Jerry. I don't think Shirley was too upset about calling it a day at that point, though.

I hung out and chatted with the other sane people that had called it early. I saw the Lame Ducks on their way out while I was getting ungeared.

Stephen, I can only imagine what that XT musta been like out there. You should get something lighter. Like a BRP.

Speaking of which - I could blame my slow pace on the big bike, or the bad back tire, or the heat, or.... The truth is, while I've never thought I was fast, I thought I was at least ok. I'd like to thank MSRA for proving me wrong.

I loved the course though, the section of/ around three mile creek was TIGHT - I had to almost stop at a couple places to weave the bars between trees. I loved the Skull Creek and Cravens Creek drop-offs and slopes - and of course double dip and Camel Back. I very nearly had a "pretty colors" moment on Double Dip once, just barely gassed it enough to roll over the top. I was getting air out Camel Back on every lap. (Okay, that's pretty undramatic for most folks, but for me, it's cool.) Great course, Woodsguy, and well marked!

I met a bunch of cool MSRA folks. Shannon, Jerry, Shirley, little Jerry, Kelly, and some I'm forgetting. Thanks for the coffee!!

"Incident" Report:

1. Outlaw's Pine trees have taken a new tactic since our last encounter. Stealth Attack. While before, you could count on the vertical trees to at least be honorable, and jump at out you, now they've recruited the downed limbs, too. I rode over a decent sized downed branch, which snapped in a couple places, sending one piece smartly into my elbow, and lodging another quite firmly between the mudguard, swingarm and rear tire. Now I guess I wait for Mopower to thank me for taking out the stick that always bugged him....

2-4. Despite the fact that I know not to, on three occasions I put a foot down, then promptly drove the footpeg into the back of my leg. Hard enough to leave an imprint of the inside of the boot on my shin.

Mopower

08-13-2007, 10:56 AM

"Incident" Report:
.... Now I guess I wait for Mopower to thank me for taking out the stick that
always bugged him.....

Thank you!!!!! :rofl:

2-4. Despite the fact that I know not to, on three occasions I put a foot down, then promptly drove the footpeg into the back of my leg. Hard enough to leave an imprint of the inside of the boot on my shin.

On my first lap into the race I stuck my foot down in a corner and bent my knee in a direction it wasn't supposed to... It feels like i strained my MCL for the second time this year, which cannot be good at all!! And on top of that I did 5 more laps after that with a bum left leg! :doh:

It wasnt all bad, the course was great... I didn't care to much for the tight section, My team finished the race with 18 laps, 6 laps each, with no bike malfunctions. I think Im the only one in the house who isn't sore from yesterday, my only problem is that it take twice the effort and twice as long to walk anywhere! :mrgreen: Oh and it was HOT!!!!!:angryfire

FireMalt

08-13-2007, 11:39 AM

This was my first Boar Run, and even though our team didn't have enough endurance to finish the race, I still had a blast, got plenty of seat time, and learned a thing or two while on the trails.

As Squeaky mentioned, we opted to send her out first since I was labeled as an "A" rider because our other teammate(Stephen Porter) was a non-racer and was just outside the age limit to ride the kiddy course ;) forcing him to be our "B" rider. I didn't care to battle it out with the fast guys, so starting the team's second stint appealed to me nicely. The course layout was great, not too much tight stuff, and the 40 minute break between stints was refreshing, lol.

I would of liked to ride another loop before packing up, but I had finished my 3rd stint around 12:20pm, and was having a hard time cooling off. After about 30 miutes in the shade, I still hadn't stopped sweating, so decided it was probably a good idea to throw in the towel and call it a day.

It was good to meet you Matt. Good to see Tony, and Alex. And a pleasure to hang out with Stephen, Rebecca, and Deb(my girlfriend).

Thanks to everyone who put in the time/hard work to cut the trails, and organize/host the event. Look forward to next year's Run!

Mopower

08-13-2007, 12:32 PM

...and the 40 minute break between stints was refreshing, lol.

A 40 MINUTE BREAK!?!?!?!... LUCKY! :eek2:

I was lucky if I got 25 min!:giveup:

Squeaky

08-13-2007, 12:34 PM

A 40 MINUTE BREAK!?!?!?!... LUCKY! :eek2:

I was lucky if I got 25 min!:giveup:

Pick slower teammates! :lol2:

AC Cobra

08-13-2007, 01:08 PM

...I think Im the only one in the house who isn't sore from yesterday

Yeah right...........that's why you are limping around here today :nana:

ta2240

08-13-2007, 01:30 PM

A 40 MINUTE BREAK!?!?!?!... LUCKY! :eek2:

I was lucky if I got 25 min!:giveup:

Lucky is the word. My breaks were only 23 minutes:giveup:

Squeaky

08-13-2007, 01:53 PM

Ok, as a point of reference - I heard the fast kids were doing 12 minute loops. Is that right? Mine were about 20. Stephen was running 25-35 minutes on the big loop according to our estimates.

On his first loop, he took longer to get back than I thought it should take. I overheard a sweep rider report folks getting lost on the trails and one rider actually found a way to get mixed up and meet the sweeper head-on on the one-way trail. Uh oh! When he finally made it back, we discovered he'd needed a quick break on the trail. :zen:

Hemibee

08-13-2007, 02:17 PM

Here is a link to the Boar Run reports/comment/photos at the MSRA forum on TON.
Boar Run posts on TON (http://www.texasoffroad.net/forum_php/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=dirtbike_msra_public&Number=466398&page=0&view=collapsed&sb=5&o=365&fpart=1&vc=1&PHPSESSID=)

ta2240

08-13-2007, 02:45 PM

Ok, as a point of reference - I heard the fast kids were doing 12 minute loops. Is that right? Mine were about 20. Stephen was running 25-35 minutes on the big loop according to our estimates.

My teams 65cc rider was doing 6 to 7 minute laps. My teams A rider was doing 15-17 minute laps and my laps were from 17 minute flat to 18 minutes.

Next year I WILL have a slowwwww person on my team.:mrgreen:

FireMalt

08-13-2007, 04:17 PM

I think I was around 19 or 20 minutes... I think.

FireMalt

08-13-2007, 04:18 PM

My teams 65cc rider was doing 6 to 7 minute laps.
Who'd you have... the Gray kid? :doh:

treetagger

08-13-2007, 04:29 PM

ta2240

08-13-2007, 04:50 PM

Who'd you have... the Gray kid? :doh:

Wyatt Eversole. My A rider was his dad Chris

ta2240

08-13-2007, 04:58 PM

Hey guys...I had a blast riding with you guys. My "b" rider had a bit of a git off, but is ok. We ran the entire time but with only 19 laps. Plus my sweep lap. My first through third lap was about 11-12 minuites, but they eventually turned to 15-16. I hope to see you all at the next one.

Oh and whoever was on the white XR. Thank you for pulling over in that tight section, sorry i missed the "normal" route. :rider:

11-12 minutes that is just sick fast:clap:

On my 6th lap I did it in 17 minutes which I was really proud of. That was the only lap that I did not overshoot any of the turns. I felt like an idiot because I would tell myself every lap not to forget the Camel Back turnoff or the other turn going into the creek bed but every lap I did it anyway:doh:

STrider

08-13-2007, 06:38 PM

Oh and whoever was on the white XR. Thank you for pulling over in that tight section, sorry i missed the "normal" route.
You're welcome. Mine's not white, but I pulled over for you. I only know that because I pulled over for everybody at least once.

11-12 minutes that is just sick fast:clap:

On my 6th lap I did it in 17 minutes which I was really proud of. That was the only lap that I did not overshoot any of the turns. I felt like an idiot because I would tell myself every lap not to forget the Camel Back turnoff or the other turn going into the creek bed but every lap I did it anyway:doh:

:doh::oops: My best might have been 21 minutes, maybe. Thank you both for further demonstrating the level at which I am not.

I blew the turn into Skull Creek on every lap. But not as bad as whoever blew it so much that they took out the little skull stack/ sculpture/ shrine thingy.

And did anybody else hit the flexi-tree on every lap? IIRC it was toward the end of 3 mile creek. Maybe a 1.5 or 2 inch aspen(?) that had been hit enough times it was already leaning, but I dragged my right handguard and fingers down the length of it every time around.

The short but steep climb out of Craven's creek and the last big drop on that lap with the roots at the bottom (dunno the name) were my favorite parts.

Hemibee

08-13-2007, 06:55 PM

The guys elected me as first up for team "Lame Ducks", which meant a civilized version of a holeshot against half pint my suspension would absorb. I decided to be nice and hand back and hit the trail last. A little girl (must have been about 5) almost came across my path getting from the starting line to the trail, but I managed to avoid her. (I think she might have been the only one I wasn't slower than, and it was her first time.)

She has only been riding a dirt bike for a month or two. I was sweeping behind her and got the chance to watch the lines she was taking. It won't be long and she will have a lot more speed but with a teacher like her Grandpa (Pops) she can't help but get faster.

Stephen Porter

08-13-2007, 10:27 PM

I had fun. I think. I'm still hurting a bit. I think I did more damage to myself by picking up my dinosaur of a bike. Yes, it was a hand full. Yes, I want a lighter true dirt bike. Hmm, seems to me that several kx's and rmz's are just a few feet outside of my office. :nono: But I'm on another bike buying ban right now. :(

Those trees became more aggressive on my second time out. And the bike started handling worse. Oh no, I was way too tired and out of control. That's the ticket. Called it a day before any major injuries. Score one for a smidge of common sense. Can we do this in January instead?

SHNF and or Cherokee are definitely in my future.

Special thanks to my teammates for their efforts and especially to Rebeca for the sickers. :)

STrider

08-13-2007, 11:08 PM

Woodsguy posted the results on TON. It is worth noting that no TWT's finished last!!

TWT's that I know of bolded. If you're an unbolded TWT, lemme know.

1-Ricky Rau, Dalton Noska, Jordan Gonzales---23 laps
2-Chris and Wyatt Eversole, Tim Arfele----------21
3-Dan and Jeffrey Sell, Bill Chesney--------------21
4-Barry Hines, Prestone Foose, Dillion Battz?----20
5-The Vaughan's, Pops, Robbie, Colby------------20
6-Jason Miller, Mike and Randy Hudson------------20
7-Jerry Evans lll, Darion ?, Wendy-----------------19
8-Chuck Wojcik, Chad Cheshire, Cody?-----------19
9-Joey and Travis Barton, Dillion-------------------19
10-Warren Rulau, Doug and Zachery Warnock----19
11-Jeff Shorter, Ken Long, Kyle Sorrows
12-Dan Hitt, John Geiser, Christopher Cobena
13-Alex and Kyle Massey, Shawn Wade
14-Steve and Sarah Mchann, Thomas Sell
15-Brock King, Rusty Davis, Emily Vaughan
16- Stephen Nowakowski, Mark Evans, Arron Rougeau
17-Randy Riggs, Janine Barrett, unknown (Ken)

The above teams did at least 16 laps or more, awesome

18-The Bybee's, Kelly, Kyle, Cody
19-Darrell Benton, Bob Willbanks, Ashley Rougeau
20-Jerry and Shirley Evans, Matt Simpson
21-Keith Murray, Kelly Pace, Shannon Abernathy
22-Devin and Jeff Moody, Darrin Douglas
23-Tim Miller, Steven Porter, Rebecca?
24-unknown and withdrew

I know Ken (Texas DR) was out there too. I think he may be the unknown in 17th.

Hemibee

08-13-2007, 11:15 PM

I know Ken (Texas DR) was out there too. I think he may be the unknown in 17th.

Correct, the unknown in 17th was Ken.

Squeaky

08-13-2007, 11:18 PM

23-Tim Miller, Steven Porter, Rebecca?
24-unknown and withdrew

Great. We beat an imaginary team. :giveup:

Hemibee

08-13-2007, 11:22 PM

Additional TWT members:

5-The Vaughan's, Pops (Woodsguy), Robbie, Colby------------20

7-Jerry Evans lll(Treetagger), Darion ?, Wendy-----------------19

20-Jerry(Golftech) and Shirley Evans, Matt Simpson

21-Keith Murray, Kelly Pace, Shannon Abernathy (Shannon)

Tekisasu DR

08-13-2007, 11:44 PM

Correct, the unknown in 17th was Ken.

Thank you Tony. That's me.

Randy was A class, Janine and myself were B class. If I remember correctly, Randy's lap time was 17 to 18 min, Janine was 19 to 20, and mine was 20 to 21. We were one of the team which everyone rode long course, and finished 5 hours, 16 laps in the heat. I am proud of ourselves!

I learned that 5-hour race is NOT testing how long you can last, but how quickly you can recover during the break.

Thank you all folks who prepared for, and supported the race. Looking forward to race again at Outlaw!

Ken

ta2240

08-14-2007, 06:54 AM

Great. We beat an imaginary team. :giveup:
:rofl: :rofl: :lol2: :lol2: :rofl: :rofl:

That made me blow coffee out of my nose

I bet next year if yall had the same team you would be alot higher up. Tim is gonna be alot faster after the next 5 STORM races and Squeaky they do have the X and P class you could join. It is alot of fun

Hemibee

08-14-2007, 07:06 AM

:rofl: :rofl: :lol2: :lol2: :rofl: :rofl:

That made me blow coffee out of my nose

I bet next year if yall had the same team you would be alot higher up. Tim is gonna be alot faster after the next 5 STORM races and Squeaky they do have the X and P class you could join. It is alot of fun

I'll second that. Come on out and try one of the STORM races.

STrider

08-14-2007, 07:09 AM

I'll second that. Come on out and try one of the STORM races.

I've wanted too, but I was afraid that I was too far below the curve to participate - after the boar run, I think I've confirmed it. Where would us, uhh, velocity challenged (20+ minute lappers) fit in the STORM series?

Hemibee

08-14-2007, 07:12 AM

I've wanted too, but I was afraid that I was too far below the curve to participate - after the boar run, I think I've confirmed it. Where would us, uhh, velocity challenged (20+ minute lappers) fit in the STORM series?

What I usually tell someone that is just trying to find the right class, sign up and race as a "K" rider. After that you can move to where you fit in the best. One thing for sure, there is a class for you. Ken is racing as a "K" rider this year, ask him what he thinks about it. I know he has told me serveral times that he is enjoying it.

ta2240

08-14-2007, 08:07 AM

I've wanted too, but I was afraid that I was too far below the curve to participate - after the boar run, I think I've confirmed it. Where would us, uhh, velocity challenged (20+ minute lappers) fit in the STORM series?

I agree with Hemi on this. There are folks in the K class(which is considered a "D" rider) that are way too fast and should actually be C or B class rider but there are guys in there that are really slow that would probably be in your way.

I was going to say something to you about your comment about your riding level. Your lap times were not bad considering that you were on a tank. If you had a bike that was built for woods riding(racing) you would improve your times considerably. I went from a 2003 WR 450 which most people think is an awesome woods bike to a 2007 KTM 300 XC-W. When I switched I improved my STORM lap times my a minute or more. There is only about 25 lbs difference in the bike but that is HUGE considering the type of riding your doing.

Come to the next race and enter the K class but start saving your money now for a new bike. Once you get it in your blood it is all over with, another bike will be in the near future.:rider: Save the XR for Big Bend and other Dual Sport rides.

Tekisasu DR

08-14-2007, 08:18 AM

Matt,

No problem for you to join K class. We have about 20 riders in K class. From kids to adult, from 80cc to 450cc. Fast riders are ready to step up to higher class already. Slow riders are really beginner, still learning how you ride in trail. We will probably falls into mid range.

Ken

Squeaky

08-14-2007, 12:39 PM

Me thinks Matt might be keeping that 250 after all...

Ok, so if Matt is a K rider where do I fit?

FireMalt

08-14-2007, 12:58 PM

:Tim is gonna be alot faster after the next 5 STORM races

Thanks to the people who believe in me!!! LMAO:rofl:

FireMalt

08-14-2007, 01:03 PM

I've wanted too, but I was afraid that I was too far below the curve to participate - after the boar run, I think I've confirmed it. Where would us, uhh, velocity challenged (20+ minute lappers) fit in the STORM series?Matt... you'd be fine in the "K" class. Don't worry about not knowing in that class, cause I think I'm about to bump down from the "D" class... they are just a tid too fast for me(like 4 to 8 minutes per loop faster).

So we'll see you in two weeks at the next STORM race? :trust:

FireMalt

08-14-2007, 01:05 PM

Ok, so if Matt is a K rider where do I fit?

You'd be in the "W" class = for women.

See ya in two weeks too?

ta2240

08-14-2007, 03:01 PM

Thanks to the people who believe in me!!! LMAO:rofl:

I believe in you.
I think if you stay in the C class you will get faster alot quicker than if you went down to the D "K" class.

When I played golf a very wise man told me that if I wanted to get better only play with people better than me. I think the same is true with riding. If you want to be faster ride with people faster than you are.

Squeaky you can ride in any class you want to but if I were you I would start in the Womans X class and work up from there.

Hemibee

08-14-2007, 03:23 PM

I believe in you.
I think if you stay in the C class you will get faster alot quicker than if you went down to the D "K" class.

When I played golf a very wise man told me that if I wanted to get better only play with people better than me. I think the same is true with riding. If you want to be faster ride with people faster than you are.

Squeaky you can ride in any class you want to but if I were you I would start in the Womans X class and work up from there.

I have to agree. Stay on your current starting line and you will improve. The X class appears to be a good start for you Squeaky. You will have a rider or two that is ready to move up and others that are brand new to bikes and/or racing and the track will be the friendlier Saturday track so you won't have to bang bars with Ken, Tim, Pops, Alex and the rest until you are ready for the Sunday track.

Another thing y'all might think about is the next race is on the GP format. It will be a little shorter time wise than the normal Hare Scrambles and the terrain will be more open to allow for the summer time heating. A good one to give a try and see if it is something for you.

Here is the link to the race flyer: http://www.storm-racing.org/flyers/2007/flyer6.pdf

The STORM Series rules can be found here: STORM Rule Book (http://www.storm-racing.org/files/rulebook2007.pdf)

The STORM website: http://www.storm-racing.org/index.php

Got more questions? Plenty of us here can find the answers for you.

FireMalt

08-14-2007, 07:07 PM

Squeaky

08-14-2007, 07:12 PM

Wait, I thought you were the "racer" on our team! :giveup:

FireMalt

08-14-2007, 08:28 PM

1 season in TMGP(class championship)
4 seasons in CMRA(two 3rd placed seasons)
2 STORM hare scrambles(came in last place cause Pete didn't complete an entire lap, grr)
and
1 Boar Run

Does that qualify me as a "racer"?

Tekisasu DR

08-14-2007, 09:26 PM

I was going to say something to you about your comment about your riding level. Your lap times were not bad considering that you were on a tank. If you had a bike that was built for woods riding(racing) you would improve your times considerably.

I agree with Tim. If Matt rides 250CC or 450CC race bike, he would be already in C class.

I will stick with K class until I am in within 3rd place once...

Ken

STrider

08-14-2007, 10:09 PM

Like the man said....
Thanks to the people who believe in me!!! LMAO:rofl:

Thanks all - you guys have got me thinking. Which tends to end poorly. Or expensively.

Bagwell

08-14-2007, 10:26 PM

ALso, dont forget about the TRH family enduro series. Its a good compliment to the hare scrambles series. Next one is supposed to be mine in the SHNF on oct 7, but its gonna be moved to december. So next race for the family enduro series will actually be Nov 11 at Outlaw. :)

Hemibee

08-14-2007, 10:35 PM

Dangit... I knew that was the reply I was going to get from someone! I guess my reasoning is... within the first mile, I'm racing by myself so what's the point? If I had someone around to challenge me... that would make me faster.

Don't forget... I only have about 15 hours total sit time on a dirtbike. Ever...

I'm not sure what to tell you. I hear what you are saying but then does it really help to move down? Does it really help to stay where you are and not have someone you are banging bars with? One thought is to take the approach Ken has said he is going to do, stay on the "K" line until you reach a certain level or maybe limit yourself to X number of races on the "K" line and then bump yourself back up to the "D" line. Set yourself a goal and do what it takes to beat the goal and move up earlier than the goal called for.

Tourmeister

08-14-2007, 10:45 PM

I am deeply disturbed by the scant presence of pictures in this thread... :-P

So would someone please explain all the various classes and levels? It is like reading some secret code :wary:

Squeaky

08-14-2007, 10:57 PM

I am deeply disturbed by the scant presence of pictures in this thread... :-P

Aw man, I did my best - and that was with begging! :lol2:

Hemibee

08-14-2007, 11:07 PM

I am deeply disturbed by the scant presence of pictures in this thread... :-P

So would someone please explain all the various classes and levels? It is like reading some secret code :wary:

STORM Rule Book (http://www.storm-racing.org/files/rulebook2007.pdf)
I think the class and numbering system is located on page 3.

On race day the starting order is by letter.

One hour race starts
A starts at the actual race start time
B starts a minute later and so on thru the list
followed by C-K plus W

Two hour race starts
1 or 2 digit numbers (Pro Riders) start at actual race start time
101 - 199 start one minute later
and this follows thru until you get to the remaining numbers and the S, V
and Z racers.

1.0 CLASSIFICATION OF PARTICIPANTS

1.1 The Board of Governors will determine the status of all classes. The AA class is a mandatory
class for the top five (5) overall “A” finishers from last season. Anyone else wishing to ride in
the AA class may do so. Once a rider has signed up in the AA class, they may not move down in
class without submitting a written request to the Board of Governors for reclassification. The Board of Governors will review the request and supply a written reply.

1.2 Riders may be moved up at any time it is determined that their lap times indicate that they should be in a higher class by the BOG.

1.3 All B, C and D riders will be issued advancement points for 1st thru 3rd place finishes. These points will be the same as series points, 1st=25, 2nd=22 and 3rd=20 points. Riders will be advanced when they earn the following points plus a 1st or 2nd place finish:
B Class--------200 points
C Class--------150 points
D Class--------75 points
No riders will be advanced under the points system after 70% of the races within the series season have been completed. Points will carry year to year. No advancement points will be issued if there are 3 or less riders entered in an event. (Example: If there are 10 races, points earned in the 7th race count toward the current year advancement.)

1.4 It is the intent of the BOG to motivate riders to move to the next higher class on their own whenever possible. To facilitate this, different points scales will be used to determine the points riders may take with them to the next higher class. Series class points will be handled in the following manner:
(a) Any rider advanced or moving on their own prior to their 3rd race will take 75% of their points.
(b) Any rider advance or moving on their own after their 3rd race will take 50% of their points.

1.5 Any member may submit a reclassification request. Riders will not be eligible to submit requests
until they have completed 3 races in any one season. The Series Chairman will review the request
and submit it to the BOG. Requests will be approved or denied by the BOG.

1.6 A rider will ride the motorcycle in the class in which the motor was manufactured for according to the following factory cc sizes:
50cc 0-51cc
60cc 52-65cc up to 90cc 4 stroke, min 12” max 14” wheel, 45” WB
80 A 66-85cc Max 14” rear wheel, to 150cc 4 stroke, WB 51” or less
80 C 66-85cc Max 14” rear wheel, to 125cc 4 stroke, WB 51” or less
School Boy class 86-125cc 16” Min. rear wheel, up to 250cc 4 stroke, WB 52” min.
250cc class 86-250cc 16” Min. rear wheel, 2 or 4 stroke, WB 52" min
Open class 251cc & up 16” Min. rear wheel, 2 or 4 stroke, WB 52" min
Women 86cc and up 16” Minimum rear wheel, min WB 52”

Woodsguy races the Over 50 A class which is represented by the letter "A"
Mopower races the 250 C class which is represented by the letter "B"
FireMalt, ta2240 and Erik727 race the Over 30 C class which is represented by the letter "D"
Texas DR races races in the Open D class which is represented by the letter "K"
Treetagger races in the AA (Pro) class which is represented by single or double digit numbers
Golftech races in the Over 40 C class which is represented by the letter "F"

FireMalt

08-14-2007, 11:34 PM

Tony... I hear what you're saying. If I was to bump down to the "K" class, it would only be until the end of the season(and I know I'm not going to be able to make all the races for the remainer of the year), so it would only be 2 or 3 races.

I like a challenge... but being 4 to 8 minutes behind the pack just down right sucks. If I was within a minute or two, that would be a different story.

The "K" class obviously has a handful of people that need to bump up. Some people in that class are running almost as fast as the top runners in the "D" class. I would be somewhere in the middle... probably running like 5th to 8th. And to me, that would be encouraging... to be close to a podium!

Sorry this thread has gotten a bit off course, but I thought that was the whole point of the Boar Run... to introduce non-racers to HS.

BTW... thanks for everyone's comments and suggestions!

Hemibee

08-14-2007, 11:41 PM

Your right Tim, the Boar Run does help introduce new people to the H/S so it's not really off course.

Are you going to be at Honey Creek for the GP? That could be a good one to try the K line, more open and not having to battle too many trees.

FireMalt

08-15-2007, 12:36 AM

Yes sir... I plan on being there. I was planning on giving the "D" class one last shot. I've haven't run the GP format yet, so I'm looking forward to actually learning a course before the race is over. That's one of the biggest changes I've had to deal with... in roadracing, the course is the same season after season... in HS/GP the course changes from event to event. And sometimes frpm lap to lap!

ta2240

08-15-2007, 07:19 AM

Man you guys were busy last night.

The class numbering system is really confusing.

The letter designation kind of messes with the "Class" meaning.
They designate everyone by classes, "Pro" A, B, C and a D class.

The Pro class is a double A. The really fast is A. The B class would be the intermediate riders and the C class is the novice class. The "D" rider classification would be the very new beginner who has never ridden mutch less raced.

The classes are broken down and then given a number sequence that the lower the number the faster your supposed to be. The lower the letter the faster your supposed to be.

The 1 hour starts with the "A" letter designation and they are the over 50 yoa "A" rider then they start with the "B" letter designation which is the
250cc open class. They try to start the races with the fastest class first so that slower people don't impede the racing.

I don't know if that helped any at all.

When Firemalt first came onto TON and started asking about racing I told him to join the Over 30C(which is 30-39 yoa novice rider and designated by the letter "D") because with his road racing experience I knew he could at least sit on the bike and shift. Some of the Open D riders(Very new to riding and they designate them with the letter "K") are very very new to motorcycles period, this is just my opinion of course. If you are able to ride with any skill at all then some of the "K" riders can actually get in you way. But also there are guys in the "K" class that are putting up very fast lap times. I completely understand where FireMalt just wants to race someone. Riding by yourself for and hour stinks. From looking at the laptimes Tim you would be in the middle of the group in the "K" class but I don't know if they would let you drop down. Good Luck