View Full Version : I did not need to see that.... Holy ****
texfxdx
08-21-2007, 01:57 AM
My friends, I was out riding tonight on Hwy 3 in SE Houston, when a guy (i'm assuming) flew by me on a red Honda CBR???. I waved as he passed and then watched as he lost control trying to panic brake and slammed into the back of a stopped semi-trailer doing a good 80 plus. I watched the helmet (including the guy's head ) fly off as the bike scattered under the trailer. The bike had Georgia plates, and I'm so hoping it wasn't anybody we know. I don't know what happened or why the guy didn't see it or go around...??
I don't ever want to see something like that again, and I've been pukin' for the last hour and a half. I'm shaking and I really don't want to go riding anymore....
Please be careful out there....I've seen a lot of bad stuff, but this was the worst! Maybe the news will shed some light on this...
To whoever it was, godspeed my brother!
Jeff
texfxdx
08-21-2007, 02:39 AM
OMG!!!... I just realized there's blood all over my clothes and my bike....
:( not good!
Ride In Peace Friend......
D'artagnan
08-21-2007, 06:31 AM
Always sad when I hear about something like this. Probably a young "kid" who still thinks he's bulletproof and immortal. The ones I really feel for here are the family who are going to have to start dealing with this very soon, and for a long time to come.
SeanFromTX
08-21-2007, 06:35 AM
Not good... don't:giveup:though.
I haven't seen anything on the Houston area news on the internet.
OMG!!!... I just realized there's blood all over my clothes and my bike....
:( not good!
Soak in cold water and Tide. Rinse, line dry, treat any remaining stains with hydrogen peroxide.
RedPill
08-21-2007, 07:32 AM
Man, it's never good to see something like this. I hope and pray you can get that out of your head soon.
Velocipede
08-21-2007, 07:37 AM
Dang Jeff, sorry you had to witness that.
sharkey
08-21-2007, 08:31 AM
Wow, sorry you had see something like that.
Never a good thing.
I was out riding Sunday and noticed a sport bike coming at me. We were going to meet at an intersection with a light. There was a cop with a car pulled over on my side of the intersection but on the sport bike's side of the road. The light turned yellow so I slowed to stop. It turned red the sport bike rider panic braked with the rear brake only and slid through the intersection and red light! The cop stepped away from the car and waved him over to the road side. Unbelievable! Lucky for him the coast was clear through that intersection. You just can't aford to be "Asleep at the Wheel" when riding a motorcycle!
My friends, I was out riding tonight on Hwy 3 in SE Houston, when a guy (i'm assuming) flew by me on a red Honda CBR???. I waved as he passed and then watched as he lost control trying to panic brake and slammed into the back of a stopped semi-trailer doing a good 80 plus. I watched the helmet (including the guy's head ) fly off as the bike scattered under the trailer. The bike had Georgia plates, and I'm so hoping it wasn't anybody we know. I don't know what happened or why the guy didn't see it or go around...??
I don't ever want to see something like that again, and I've been pukin' for the last hour and a half. I'm shaking and I really don't want to go riding anymore....
Please be careful out there....I've seen a lot of bad stuff, but this was the worst! Maybe the news will shed some light on this...
To whoever it was, godspeed my brother!
Jeff
What is the truck driver's story on why he was stopped in the road? What did the cops/emergency workers do or say? Did you even stick around?
dukey33
08-21-2007, 09:53 AM
What is the truck driver's story on why he was stopped in the road?
The truck could have been simply stopped for a red light. Hwy 3 has plenty of lights and is straight as an arrow so anyone traveling close to the posted limit can easily see stopped vehicles. Not sure where the accident happened but the highest posted limit in Harris County for Hwy 3 is 50mph.
I'd surely hate to have to witness that kind of carnage.
Jeff, I hope you don't have any recurring nightmares from that.
Dave
texfxdx
08-21-2007, 10:52 AM
I haven't found any news on this at all....
To clarify, since I wasn't exactly in a great state of mind when I made the original post, the truck was stopped at a red light. I was coming to a stop behind the truck when the guy pulled in front of me. I thought he was going to make a right turn at the light going around the truck on the shoulder. It really seemed like he actually tried to hit the truck, but I'm thinking it was "object fixation" or maybe he just "froze"... 4 more inches to the right and he would have cleared it. The guy had plenty of time/room to manuever. The helmet (i don't wanna type this again) wound up about 20 ft in front of my bike.
I have a call into a friend of mine at HPD to try and get some answers...
JS
IronMoped
08-21-2007, 01:13 PM
Youch. That's a sad story, hang in there.
RIP Georgia rider...
ericlw
08-21-2007, 02:33 PM
considering how in most places hwy 3 is extreamly dangerous.anyone acting stupid on that road deserves what he gets.most of the time the dps troopers and webster police ticket nazis are out keeping most stuff from happening.
very sad to hear and sad that you saw it all happen. My thoughts are with the young rider, his family, and you.
Kaneman
08-21-2007, 03:14 PM
:uhoh:
Many years ago I was riding out with Medstar during EMT training and we were dispatched to an MVA on Western Center in Ft. Worth. Guy on a ZX-9 clipped the curb, was thrown into the air, and flew horizontally into a light pole which hit him just below the ribs. He was still in one piece, but just barely.
Strangely enough it never deterred me from riding.
GregH
08-21-2007, 03:18 PM
Sorry to hear about this, Tex.
Time to practice some emergency stops -- they're better than the panic stops.
texfxdx
08-21-2007, 05:48 PM
I just got the call, seems HPD is deeming this as a suicide, BAC of .12 and apparently had a big fight with his GF, who stated his propensity for harming himself as a way to get back at her....
I feel sorry for the guy if he honestly felt like this was the solution, but I gotta be flat honest.... and please don't judge me, but I feel less
sorry for the guy knowing this...
JS
igo-wfo
08-21-2007, 06:24 PM
Sorry that you had to have a front row seat to his self induced dimise.
From what you just posted on his actions, that was a very selfish thing to do to his family and his girlfriend.
Dragwn
08-21-2007, 07:14 PM
Oxyclean will get dried blood out, even if you had washed and dried clothing..just soak the clothes/gear in a tub/bucket with oxyclean and water.
GregH
08-21-2007, 07:15 PM
It's just a sad story all around.
Be safe out there...
and please don't judge me, but I feel less
sorry for the guy knowing this...
Nobody should. I've seen dozens of fatalities and many are still vivid. I'm not sure how Kurt and his peers deal with it.
Regarding suicide, my wife worked crime scene for TCSO for several years. To this day her blood turns cold when she hears about one. Its usually tragic, given state of mind, mental stability etc. But I understand your heart not bleeding too much over this.
Sorry you had to see it. Ya'll remember the truck driver in your prayers as well. Being an driver in a fatality is a hard thing to reconcile, even when not at fault.
Very glad he didn't take you with him. Sounds like he came way too close to you.
I have no sympathy for someone who uses another unknowing person to assist in their own demise. Twice I've watched as someone forced a cop to kill them. Twice I've responded to head-on collisions in which someone died after using my crew's ambulance in an attempt to end it all. One was successful.
I feel worse for the innocent bystanders and family of the deceased.
mikec2112
08-21-2007, 08:37 PM
This may sound a bit overboard but consider going to a therapist to talk things over(I realize you discussing it in this thread maybe a form of therapy). It may help get over seeing such an event. Just a thought...
txbanditrydr
08-21-2007, 08:48 PM
Any media links available??? It would be interesting to see "their" take on the situation.
eric_marsh
08-21-2007, 09:02 PM
I just got the call, seems HPD is deeming this as a suicide, BAC of .12 and apparently had a big fight with his GF, who stated his propensity for harming himself as a way to get back at her....
I feel sorry for the guy if he honestly felt like this was the solution, but I gotta be flat honest.... and please don't judge me, but I feel less
sorry for the guy knowing this...
JS
Sorry that you had to witness that.
From what you described, it sounds like he never felt a thing.
If nothing else, this sort of thing provides a reality check, reminding me that it's dangerous out there.
If he wanted to kill himself he would have center-punched the truck. I think that he probably didn't want to kill himself, just mess himself up enough to warrant some attention from his girlfriend.
FJRMike
08-22-2007, 07:50 AM
Wow....just.......wow....
Searched the Chronicle and local news sites - nothing on it yet.
Fz1pilot1
08-22-2007, 09:03 AM
Jeff, I feel for you.......My wife works at a Funeral home. She see this stuff , talks with Families and now she will not ride with me anymore. She says It is not worth it. I have rode everyday for twenty somthing years , took a break for awhile because of looseing a finger, got soft.
My wife likes or has to talk about this stuff..I can listen but need to be in right state of mind or prepared to hear it.
I do not like to think about it but I have say going quick doing something you luv is the best way for me. I just hope no one has to watch.
I just got the call, seems HPD is deeming this as a suicide, BAC of .12 and apparently had a big fight with his GF, who stated his propensity for harming himself as a way to get back at her....
I feel sorry for the guy if he honestly felt like this was the solution, but I gotta be flat honest.... and please don't judge me, but I feel less
sorry for the guy knowing this...
JS
There are those, Texfxdx, who use suicide gestures as a power ploy to exercise CONTROL over people close to them.
I had a patient who's husband made a number of such gestures as a means of exercising TOTAL control over her by telling her: "If you don't do what I want, I'll kill myself and it will be your fault."
He even tried that on me, saying exactly those words. I responded: "WRONG, young fellow. You choose to take an action, YOU ALONE are responsible for the results of your actions. One thing more: one of these days you are going to try another of your stunts, miscalculate and kill yourself dead." He got up and stormed out of the session.
Within a few weeks... he miscalculated. The result was as I'd predicted.
This fellow sounds like he miscalculated... It could be he was trying to come close enough to suicide to use it to CONTROL his GF and misjudged...
If this is the case, SHE is better off.
My patient was definitely better off after her hyper controlling husband miscalculated.
JR
Lake Livingston, TX
slowoldguy
08-22-2007, 11:30 AM
then watched as he lost control trying to panic brake Folks. You don't try to brake if you are trying to die. Whatever his initial motivations may have been (and I agree they are seriously suspect) , his last efforts clearly were to live. I was not put here to judge others. Godspeed brother.
FJRMike
08-22-2007, 12:40 PM
"You don't try to brake if you are trying to die"
Something about the last moment thought of violently slamming oneself into a solid object that will cause unconscious reactions, like braking, to occur.
DaveC
08-22-2007, 12:50 PM
Sorry you had to witness that.
slowoldguy
08-22-2007, 01:16 PM
Something about the last moment thought of violently slamming oneself into a solid object that will cause unconscious reactions, like braking, to occur. I have worked on these cases , Mike. In my experience the suicides don't leave skidmarks (call for help, or take other action designed to save their life). A suicide on the other hand will find a way to die with a popsicle stick if that's all he has available. Y'all are making judgments on way too little data. I hope no family or friends of the deceased are watching you do so. I doubt if your speculation would be well received. Have a heart, why don't ya? This is a painful time for all of those who knew him.
Astroman
08-22-2007, 02:05 PM
any police reports the inccident doesnt sound real.. im sure Media would al over if something like that happened!:giveup:
Coolhand
08-22-2007, 03:37 PM
OMG!!!... I just realized there's blood all over my clothes and my bike....
:( not good!
Dude... nasty. Why do you have blood on you and your gear?
wonder91178
08-22-2007, 03:41 PM
any police reports the inccident doesnt sound real.. im sure Media would al over if something like that happened!:giveup:
Yeah I was curious as to why there were no news stories about it at all. I searched all the Houston news that I could. You would think if a motorcyclist lost his helmet, with his head still in it, there would be something about it on the news...........somewhere?
Yeah I was curious as to why there were no news stories about it at all. I searched all the Houston news that I could. You would think if a motorcyclist lost his helmet, with his head still in it, there would be something about it on the news...........somewhere?
It is really weird what they choose to report on here. When they do, half of the time the news orgs get it wrong. Other times they just copy the random police reports. I have found no rhyme or reason why they choose which incidents to make a press releases on.
http://www.houstontx.gov/police/news.htm
http://www.hcso.hctx.net/newsDetails.asp?grp=tra
If you were to go by these websites, we really don’t seem to have much going on in Houston.
Skid
M38A1
08-23-2007, 01:02 AM
http://www.houstontx.gov/police/news.htm
Skid
Is this it from the above link?:
Traffic Accident at 2100 Crestline
August 22, 2007 - Houston police are investigating a fatal traffic accident at the intersection of Crestline and Burden about 4:45 p.m. on Tuesday (August 21).
The victim, Jose Luis Rocha, 24, was transported to Ben Taub General Hospital where he was pronounced dead.
HPD Mobility Incident Management Division Sergeant A.C. Francois and Officers R. Kessler, T. Cox, and J. Mushinski reported:
Witnesses saw Mr. Rocha riding his motorcycle at a high rate of speed, east on Crestline, as he approached the intersection of Burden. The driver of a BHS Service van was stopped at the intersection and was proceeding north when he noticed the motorcycle. Mr Rocha attempted to stop but failed and struck the van.
The investigation is continuing.
VHS/JFC 8-22-07
Inc.# 123681407
texfxdx
08-23-2007, 01:09 AM
I would highly doubt there's going to be a story on this, I've worked for 3 of the 6 TV stations here in Houston. It's an almost "unwritten rule" not to do stories about suicides unless a second party(s) is involved. But I'm still kinda puzzled why no media showed up, they do seem to "relish" this kind of stuff. I was there for about an hour and never saw any crews... but then again Hwy3 and Clear Lake City blvd. isn't exactly a real "hot spot". I've searched the Georgia news and nothing there either. I know the guy's name (but I don't know which town he was from...) and know he was riding an '06 CBR600RR, but I can't find even an obituary.
I'm personally not quite convinced that he actually "purposely" hit the truck, rather he simply was going too fast to avoid it... but then again, who knows??
Jeff
SeanFromTX
08-23-2007, 01:37 PM
Is this it from the above link?:
Traffic Accident at 2100 Crestline
August 22, 2007 - Houston police are investigating a fatal traffic accident at the intersection of Crestline and Burden about 4:45 p.m. on Tuesday (August 21).
The victim, Jose Luis Rocha, 24, was transported to Ben Taub General Hospital where he was pronounced dead.
HPD Mobility Incident Management Division Sergeant A.C. Francois and Officers R. Kessler, T. Cox, and J. Mushinski reported:
Witnesses saw Mr. Rocha riding his motorcycle at a high rate of speed, east on Crestline, as he approached the intersection of Burden. The driver of a BHS Service van was stopped at the intersection and was proceeding north when he noticed the motorcycle. Mr Rocha attempted to stop but failed and struck the van.
The investigation is continuing.
VHS/JFC 8-22-07
Inc.# 123681407
Hmmmm.... Jeff's (texfxdx) original post was at 08-21-2007, 01:57 AM, but the accident was documented in the article at "4:45 p.m. on Tuesday (August 21)". Unless it really is and Jeff knew it was going to happen. This article http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/metropolitan/5073558.html states that the guy suffered a "broken neck" and pronounced dead less than an hour later. Jeff's testimony presumably pronounced the motorcylist dead on the scene because the dude's head came off with his helmet.
The evidence suggests that Jose Luis Rocha is not the "where's Waldo" we're looking for.
dukey33
08-23-2007, 02:01 PM
The evidence suggests that Jose Luis Rocha is not the "where's Waldo" we're looking for.
Your detective skills are good. Cresline and Burden are up by the Hardy Toll road, nowhere close to Hwy3 and Fm2351.
Dave
Astroman
08-23-2007, 03:17 PM
:mrgreen: Good Job Inspector Sean
terrebandit
08-23-2007, 05:14 PM
The dudes head came off? Yowza..... :eek2:
Sorry you had to see that man but I suppose it could happen to any of us in the right circumstance.
Ride safe!
Don_Alejo
09-05-2007, 03:31 PM
I don't care how many times i witnessed a death, it's never easy not pretty.
Hope you are doing better
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