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rworm
01-10-2008, 04:21 PM
Filters came in yesterday-pulled airbox out and installed them-ordered from auto zone with all the measurements i came up with and they fit perfect-also bought the small ones that look the same for crankcase vents-was going to order power commander-figured the bike would be lean- gave it a good warm up down the hiway let it cool down-read both outside plugs and they are perfect- the combo of the airfilters and gutted factory pipe is amazing-performance has increased through the entire RPM range-the look is exactly what i wanted-have computer whiz nephew with good camera to help me get some pictures to post tommorrow


rworm

bones
01-11-2008, 09:07 AM
Filters came in yesterday-pulled airbox out and installed them-ordered from auto zone with all the measurements i came up with and they fit perfect-also bought the small ones that look the same for crankcase vents-was going to order power commander-figured the bike would be lean- gave it a good warm up down the hiway let it cool down-read both outside plugs and they are perfect- the combo of the airfilters and gutted factory pipe is amazing-performance has increased through the entire RPM range-the look is exactly what i wanted-have computer whiz nephew with good camera to help me get some pictures to post tommorrow


rworm
pics and part numbers please.

rworm
01-11-2008, 04:02 PM
K&N part #is RC1290
today i pulled charcoal canister and parts off as per suzukijoe and moved horn -never liked the ECM where it was mounted-took it off and moved it back right above the rear shock-since there is no airbox this was a easy project -only had to solder and lengthen 5 wires about 8 inches-now all the wires are together and ran in a flexible wire conduit including fuel injection-and rerouted starter cable to that side as well-LOOKS NICE-as for pictures-will try to do that tommorrow


rworm

GregH
01-11-2008, 04:27 PM
Worm,
Put up some pics of your soldering work and give us an explanation of your technique.

Gracias,
Greg

rworm
01-11-2008, 05:31 PM
Cant show you any pics of soldering work, because all splices are in heat shrink. But I am an ARKANSAS electrician. Just took pics of the bike and starting to try pics posting now. Give me a few minutes and ill try to have them posted



rworm!!!

GregH
01-12-2008, 09:19 AM
I can solder well onto a PCB but always seem to have trouble soldering two wires in mid-air. How do you do it?

rworm
01-12-2008, 10:49 AM
I can solder well onto a PCB but always seem to have trouble soldering two wires in mid-air. How do you do it?

have extra set of hands to help makes it easier

bones
01-12-2008, 11:29 AM
I can solder well onto a PCB but always seem to have trouble soldering two wires in mid-air. How do you do it?
roach clips (can't think of the medical term) work well if you can get them to rest on something.

rworm
01-12-2008, 11:45 AM
Just got some pic's up on the site. check 'em out and see what you think!!!
rworm:rider:

bones
01-12-2008, 01:05 PM
Just got some pic's up on the site. check 'em out and see what you think!!!
rworm:rider:
Where? :ponder:

bones
01-12-2008, 02:51 PM
Thanks for the pics. Nice ride, interesting exhaust mod.

http://i253.photobucket.com/albums/hh44/robertworm/bandit007.jpg

http://i253.photobucket.com/albums/hh44/robertworm/bandit005.jpg

http://i253.photobucket.com/albums/hh44/robertworm/bandit004.jpg

http://i253.photobucket.com/albums/hh44/robertworm/bandit003.jpg

http://i253.photobucket.com/albums/hh44/robertworm/bandit002.jpg

http://i253.photobucket.com/albums/hh44/robertworm/bandit001.jpg

MetrickMetal
01-13-2008, 09:24 AM
K&N part #is RC1290
today i pulled charcoal canister and parts off as per suzukijoe and moved horn -never liked the ECM where it was mounted-took it off and moved it back right above the rear shock-since there is no airbox this was a easy project -only had to solder and lengthen 5 wires about 8 inches-now all the wires are together and ran in a flexible wire conduit including fuel injection-and rerouted starter cable to that side as well-LOOKS NICE-as for pictures-will try to do that tommorrow


rworm

rworm,

Just to let you know, that finned thing you relocated is not your ECM, but is your voltage regulator/rectifier, but it does look good where you moved it to, and the ECM is located under your seat. ;-)

SZUKI0
02-22-2012, 08:01 PM
What you did is much better than blanking off the pair intakes, the crankcase won't starve for air when pumping at high rpms. Do you remember what the small intake sizes were?

MetrickMetal
02-22-2012, 08:37 PM
What you did is much better than blanking off the pair intakes, the crankcase won't starve for air when pumping at high rpms. Do you remember what the small intake sizes were?

The PAIR system has nothing to do with the crankcase at all, and whether it hooked up, plugged or totally removed does not affect the performance or operation of the engine at any RPM.

The air supplied from the air box to the pair system is injected into the exhaust port on each cylinder, just down stream from the exhaust valves, and the sole purpose of the PAIR system is to help reduce emissions by helping to burn any unburned fuel in the exiting exhaust gases, and the main reason people either plug the PAIR system, or remove it completely is to reduce or eliminate decel popping in the exhaust, and to remove all of the PAIR hoses and the valve from the top of the engine to make it cleaner and easier to work on.

ed95206
02-22-2012, 11:25 PM
I can solder well onto a PCB but always seem to have trouble soldering two wires in mid-air. How do you do it?

Clean wires (scrape or lightly sand it to remove film/oxidation)
Heat wire (one at a time) apply thin coated of solder to wire, when properly heated solder will coat the wire by itself. Do the same on the other wire.
Put wires together, reheat and immediately apply solder. Do not move connected wires until it cools down, soldered joint should be shiny. The less exposed wire the better because soldered joints don't flex.

In addition, if soldering multiple wires, stagger the joints to avoid shorts.

Better yet, http://www.mmxpress.com/technical/connections.htm

SZUKI0
02-23-2012, 06:33 AM
When the crankcase pressurizes and sends blow-by out the PCV, the reed valve open into the top end (not out), allowing air in.

MetrickMetal
02-23-2012, 07:10 AM
When the crankcase pressurizes and sends blow-by out the PCV, the reed valve open into the top end (not out), allowing air in.

I don't know where you got this info from, but it's totally wrong again, as the PCV valve is not connected to the PAIR system at all, and if you don't believe me, go look at the schematics for the PAIR system and the crankcase ventilation system in the factory service manual.

There you'll see as I stated in my first reply to your post, that the fresh air that is supplied to the PAIR system comes from a single supply line that comes off of the right side of the air box, which then goes to the PAIR solenoid control valve, which then sends the air from the air box to each of the two reed valves located in the top of the valve cover.

The PAIR system is not pressurized at any point by pressure from the crankcase or any other place for that matter, as the air is drawn through the reed valve by the exhaust gases creating a low pressure zone on the back side of the reed valves, which then allows the fresh air supply from the air box to be drawn into the exhaust ports on each cylinder, just down stream from the exhaust valves. :trust:

SZUKI0
02-23-2012, 08:54 AM
True, the pair and PCV are not connected, and the blowby goes back through the PCV into the intake (the pair supplies air to the backside of the exhaust valve to aid burning of the hydrocarbons in the cat) except by pressurize.

SZUKI0
02-23-2012, 09:19 AM
This forum is the ideal place to discuss how minimal the effect would be.

Classypete
11-21-2012, 11:05 PM
I love the look!!

I read some of the other threads on air box mods, and their slight complaints on increased noise. How do you find the noise?
The smaller filters, those are for the pair system?

Day Trippin
11-23-2012, 10:54 PM
My biggest concern would be water ingestion. I had this issue before on a 1st gen Gixxer 1100. My legs funneled the water right into 2 of my K&N's during a downpour. I **** near hydro-locked the motor.

While I like the looks of this and it takes me back to riding 20 years ago, I'll pass on this mod. Maybe if it had some very effective heat/water shielding.

Speaking of heat shielding, it would be interesting to see if the IAT (intake air temps) actually increased by doing this mod. That is one thing that wasn't too bad about the stock airbox.

1CAMWNDR
12-06-2012, 12:21 PM
Killer Mod.
Love that look. And I bet the noise id GOOD also!!! I don't ride in the rain IF I CAN HELP IT. But I agree with the above that some type of rain/water protection is needed.
Can we see pics with al of the body work and seat reinstalled?
:rider:

achesley
12-06-2012, 09:08 PM
My biggest concern would be water ingestion. I had this issue before on a 1st gen Gixxer 1100. My legs funneled the water right into 2 of my K&N's during a downpour. I **** near hydro-locked the motor.

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I had that set up on a '77 750GS Suzuki that was out to 870 with a Yosh kit, cams, exhaust and 29 smoothbores back in about '79. All kinds of problems when caught in a serious rain storm down here. Even had a Martex ignition on it back then.

Tazman2
12-07-2012, 09:49 AM
More air more noise. No air box = even more noise. If you want minimal noise just open up the snorkel end of the box instead of the top. At the same time whats wrong with noise!? I personally hated the stock sounding like a sewing machine noise! :D

wanabeguru
12-07-2012, 09:22 PM
More air more noise. No air box = even more noise. If you want minimal noise just open up the snorkel end of the box instead of the top. At the same time whats wrong with noise!? I personally hated the stock sounding like a sewing machine noise! :D

Ahhhhhhhh, except most leos don't chase sewing machines, they chase noisy show-off bikes!

Tazman2
12-10-2012, 08:27 AM
Ahhhhhhhh, except most leos don't chase sewing machines, they chase noisy show-off bikes!

Yes but she isn't that loud just off the throttle or shift up and she quiets down. Also I figure the ratio of times the noise saved me from dumb drivers outweighs the possible # of LEO encounters! And mine isn't a show off bike by any means. The rims haven't been cleaned since I got the bike, I have two big silly looking hard bags, etc. etc. :trust:

achesley
12-10-2012, 02:27 PM
Also I figure the ratio of times the noise saved me from dumb drivers outweighs the possible # of LEO encounters! :

I wish I could put you driving our fire trucks and ambulances if you think most people hear noise and yield the right of way. The lights is what attracts the attention the most and then many don't see that either. Your best protection is your eyes and brain.

Tazman2
12-10-2012, 07:43 PM
I wish I could put you driving our fire trucks and ambulances if you think most people hear noise and yield the right of way. The lights is what attracts the attention the most and then many don't see that either. Your best protection is your eyes and brain.

Never said its a 100% thing. I always watch everybody even when driving the car now after starting to ride bikes and almost getting killed 100 times over. Assuming the worst usually helps the most as people are dumb as heck. I was just making the point that it helps on top of the common sense things! ;-)

Classypete
03-23-2013, 06:10 PM
Is imatation still the best form of flattery??

http://i1307.photobucket.com/albums/s591/sfd1250/2F5321D1-214A-4610-B39B-5A70546CE4F6-276-0000002314C95B3C_zps9e6fd95c.jpg
http://i1307.photobucket.com/albums/s591/sfd1250/A9C0B89C-3A84-43CF-87C7-9108E1529C0A-276-000000231CC53607_zpsd580c755.jpg

Tazman2
03-24-2013, 02:27 PM
So they're painting the frame grey now!? :shock::brainsnap Looks good in white as others mentioned! :D

Classypete
03-24-2013, 02:30 PM
The white is a pearlescent with metal flaking, it just lights up in the sun. The frame is also metal flaked. Really puts it all together.

1CAMWNDR
03-26-2013, 07:55 AM
I can't tell you how tempted I still am to try this!

1CAMWNDR
04-01-2013, 03:05 PM
$40 per filter is a bit steep though! :eek2::doh:

suzukijo
04-13-2013, 06:45 PM
neat to see you still leading the pack mr worm.

rworm
04-15-2013, 12:31 PM
neat to see you still leading the pack mr worm.

Nice to see you posting Joe...I'm on here all the time checking whats
going on with the bandits...I'm wanting another one with every bit of
Dales motor work for a hooligan bike:rider:
I'm still on the zx14 though...
rworm

SZUKI0
04-21-2013, 04:57 PM
I just looked up molon labe metrick metal and [mod. edit}