His helmet didn't help....

[genjac]

I picked up this link in another motorcycle forum.

It has pictures of a guy who hit the back of a truck at 120+ mph. If you are a sane and rational person, I suggest skipping over this link, as the graphics are gruesome and disturbing.:eek2:

However, if you're not sane & rational, and you are one of those who enjoy riding your crotch rocket at 120+ mph, take a gander. It just may slow your butt down.

http://www.snopes.com/photos/accident/tulsacrash.asp

[Jbay]

prepare for merging procedures, fasten your seat belt this post is going to make a warp jump :borg:

[dave c]

I've seen those pics many times. creepy stuff. Losing two friends to sport bikes and stupidity have made me really rethink my style of riding. No longer do I speed like I did. triple digits will stay on the track and off the freeway. These pics don't bother me. It was watching my friends father and family break down in the hospital the night he wrecked. hearing my friends voice cracking over the phone telling me Jarod wrecked... then saying it's over he's gone.

[Skid]

Warning to all!! These images are graphic!
BTW, it is already a triple repost.

http://www.twtex.com/forums/showthread.php?t=17149
http://www.twtex.com/forums/showthread.php?t=17884
http://www.twtex.com/forums/showthread.php?t=21310


Skid

[dave c]

found his myspace but it is private http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=62238314

[pacman]

This one has been floating around for awhile, but since it's been brought up again, I'll take the opportunity to comment. I know that Mr. White and the rest of the White family has suffered a catastrophic loss and is suffering mightily following the loss of his son, but their comments to the Tulsa World should make us all sit up and take notice.

Despite the hurt, the family members said they hope something good — a review of motorcycle safety laws — comes out of the recent death.


...harsher penalties for speeding on a motorcycle...

Taking away a rider's motorcycle and motorcycle license for going a certain amount over the speed limit would be one way to curb speeding on bikes, said the elder White......."That's the only thing that would make me think — that I'm going to lose it (his motorcycle)," he said. "I'm not a lawmaker, but I'm a biker, and that's the only thing that would work."

People like Mr. White scare me.

[John Bennett]

People like Mr. White scare me.

Agreed. Tens of thousands of new obscure laws every year only serve to make people better sheep and turn the US into a socialist nanny state.


I also get tired of the wild speed estimates news media spit out. If that guy had been going 120+ mph, he would be a lot more torn up than he is. If he had been dragged "over a mile", his feet would look a lot worse than they do.

People need to start holding the news media more accountable for such sensationalistic nonsense.

[h2000fb]

That is soooo sad. I can't even imagine what the parents are going thru... and then to see their son posted all over the internet... sooo sad. I know it may make people think twice, but still... if it were my son... heart wrenching. My prayers will certainly be them. They will really need it.

[h2000fb]

I also get tired of the wild speed estimates news media spit out. If that guy had been going 120+ mph, he would be a lot more torn up than he is. If he had been dragged "over a mile", his feet would look a lot worse than they do.


So where are his boots? Dragged off? Or, was he even wearing any? Sandals? Surely not in stocking feet. I can easily believe a mile. Not a long distance for a big rig when they take so long to slow to a stop and then compounded by confusion as to whether there is a need to stop or not.

[twistedpinion]

I view this the same as the kid with the M5. They made stupid mistakes and it killed them. Both cases are tragic, neither should require new laws.

[Sleepy Weasel]

Kind of weird, but my dad sent me an email the other day with these same pics, but that version claimed he survived, all because he was wearing a bucket.

[genjac]

That is soooo sad. I can't even imagine what the parents are going thru... and then to see their son posted all over the internet...

Did you read the story that went along with it Tom?

It said his dad was a biker and wanted the pictures posted in hopes that such gruesome graphics might induce other riders to slow down. It said that young man's friend had just been killed two weeks earlier in a similar accident. Anything to stop the carnage.

200 mph bikes- I condone your right to buy one, but where will you drive it 200 mph legally? So what's the point?

[h2000fb]

Did you read the story that went along with it Tom?

It said his dad was a biker and wanted the pictures posted in hopes that such gruesome graphics might induce other riders to slow down. It said that young man's friend had just been killed two weeks earlier in a similar accident. Anything to stop the carnage.

200 mph bikes- I condone your right to buy one, but where will you drive it 200 mph legally? So what's the point?

Yes, I understand the story and understand the Dad's need to have something good/positive to come out of it. AND, not saying anything against anyone trying to influence other to drive more responsively. Just saying I could not look at that pic if it were my son... that's all. Just seeing that pic of that boy I don't even know, someone's son, .... it affects you - that's all.

[ApexEater]

Going fast has never killed anyone. Uncalculated risk taking, and bad descisions have killed countless. Accidents happen, just run your numbers before you play the hand, thats all.

[igo-wfo]

200 mph bikes- I condone your right to buy one, but where will you drive it 200 mph legally? So what's the point?

Get rid rid of all vettes, vipers, Infiniti G35 coupes, all Ferraris, Lambos, Porsches, Aston Martins, etc.. all capable of supra-leagal speeds.

It's not the equipment, it's the operator. Accidents happen, but operating beyond their own abilities is usually fatal at some point if it is done long enough or enough times.

[ApexEater]

The best thing about bikes are they don't weigh enough to travel really far or destroy much during a crash. Riding like a fool, or idiot is usually the riders problem for the most part.

[genjac]

Going fast has never killed anyone.

I have to agree with that!

It's not the going fast part, it's that sudden stop that hurts.

And the calculated risk part too. Leaving the garage on two wheels is a lot more risk than many people are willing to take, but if you're not taking any risk at all, I would argue that you're not really living.

So we calculate- you punch your ticket and you take your ride.

Good luck to you Mr. ApexEater- May the bitter tasting bugs not hit you in the mouth. :rider:

[heisrisen]

i just have to say that at 49 i still make some- shall we say, close call/bad decisions or mistakes while riding.just a few years ago i was a complete idiot because even when i wasnt drinking my mind was still polluted from my attitude and my lifestyle(imaturity). if i had owned a streetbike when i was in my 20's or 30's i really dont think i would have made it. i have been riding dirt bikes all my life. just picked up on the pavement 2 years ago. i only have 10,000 miles logged but the first 5000 miles were like most people- on my own. what i mean is i had no knowledge at all!! thank god i ran into a guy that told me to get PROFIECTIANT MOTORCYCLING. it made me a completly different rider. responsibility and maturity are key and most of all i am a born again follower of Christ jesus. most people that die like this dont know what they are doing. spread the word. Get educated !! and God bless you all !

[Morgan Buchanan]

I know people on another forum, their son was one of this guy's best friends. The family did NOT want the pictures posted to do some good. They said they hope that something good comes out of his death. They're horribly distraught that the pics are shared in such a manner. I've read the actual police reports, and if I recall, they didn't say "120+" but a witness said 90-100 mph. Here's a link, now that I did a quick search, to the police report.

http://www.tulsaworld.com/webextra/content/2007/pdfs/collision_report043007.pdf

It does NOT appear the truck was at full highway speed, and the deceased was NOT drug for any distance.

[wonder91178]

:giveup:

http://www.twtex.com/forums/showthread.php?t=17149

[heisrisen]

morgan i have seen all sorts of pics of this tragedy and i do believe he was drug for some time . i saw blood from his dragging foot and also the fact that one sock was gone , well my guess is that he was wearing tennis shoes and they came off from the dragging. it seems boots might have stayed on-more likely. i say this because it seems he would have to have been going awefully fast to make such an impact on something going the same direction.possibly faster than 120. please though, this is just speculation from a distance! i say all this because my point is that i see mostly young riders wearing tennis shoes which tells me they are inexperienced which means lack of knowledge. the big picture is we are not "getting to" these people in such a way to make them have some self respect . anybody can buy a bike and go riding. its like giving an infant a flamethrower! KNOWLEDGE people, KNOWLEDGE !!!! EDUCATE !!

[Morgan Buchanan]

I don't disagree or agree with speculation. I'm sure his feet drug SOME distance. Semi trucks that are accelerating onto highway on ramps don't stop in 25 feet. Loose shoes would easily come right off on impact, physics and all that. Damage to legs is common when a rider is launched over the handle bars. I just have the police report and what the witnesses say in addition to the pics to go on, but that's at least more than just using the pictures is all I'm suggesting. I do disagree that he'd have to be going 'a lot faster than 120' to do that. If the truck was at 40 and he was at 100, his impact into the truck would be at 60 mph. Remember, the bike hit the truck but it was going so fast that the driver "heard a crash then saw the bike skidding past his door" so he WAS moving darn fast at impact. Given that his head's impact was at the literal weakest point of the door, I'm not really all that surprised. That's a crazy number of foot-pounds of energy exerted at the weakest part of the door.

There's a lot of speculation in the scientific community that the adolescent male doesn't develop that impulse control part of the brain specifically for natural selection.... the male does impulsive stuff, and the ones who do it well live to propagate the species. It's an interesting theory.