New Bandit, now which pipe

[hobnob]

Hello all, New to the forum and a proud new (yesterday) owner of a 12.5. Seems like after-market pipes are limited, Yoshi, 2 BRO, Holeshot, Leo Vince and Scorpion.

I have searched several forums. Is there much difference in sound between the different companies' pipes? Would one be less likely to pop when decel?

There has been discussion about Holeshot and Scorpion. Anyone tried the Yoshi or 2 BRO?

Thanks

[dwoodul]

I just purchased an aluminum Two Brothers M2 slip-on. This unit also comes in a carbon and titanium model (the 1250 models are M2 and M5 – the M5 being slightly larger). I should receive it by the end of next week (2/8) and will post pictures and try to describe the sound and performance. Two Brothers says this unit does not need a FI re-map but I’ll see after I get some miles on it. The MSRP is around $390 but I found one on e-bay for $324.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&sspagename=ADME%3AB%3AEOIBSAA%3AUS%3A31&viewitem=&item=150202121761

Regards,

Ol Dave

[rworm]

more exhaust out-
more fuel in-REMAP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
with FI- if you dont need to remap your saving weight or spending MONEY on exhaust

This guy will answer all your questions-

http://www.fuelmotousa.com/
jamie@fuelmotousa.com

[suzukijo]

these can be found on ebay for about $50. a couple clamps and some welding, a rubber stop for centerstand, all easily fabbed up.

http://img229.imageshack.us/img229/1215/img2645nh9.jpg

[rworm]

if i was going to have a muffler thats what it would look like-dang.....theres that copycat thing again:trust:




rworm

[hobnob]

Thanks for the responses. Ordered the Scorpion today. SS oval, seems like what I'm looking for. No FI mod, centerstand stop, and relatively quiet.

[bones]

I like Suzukijo's but I have no access to welding aluminum. That's a GSXR750 pipe correct?

[Roy]

I like Suzukijo's but I have no access to welding aluminum. That's a GSXR750 pipe correct?


'05~'06 GSX-R1000 pipe, I have one in my closet.:mrgreen: The outter shell is TI not sure about the internals but it is not that heavy to be so big.

[bones]

'05~'06 GSX-R1000 pipe, I have one in my closet.:mrgreen: The outter shell is TI not sure about the internals but it is not that heavy to be so big.
Any idea how much lighter than stock it might be?

[Roy]

Any idea how much lighter than stock it might be?


No, not really since I have not removed my 1250 can yet. I will say the 1000 can was lighter than most cans I had removed from other bikes in the past. It sounded pretty good on the 1000 I just hated the SET valve that it had in the connection to header portion. It is no where as restrictive in flow as the 1250 can. I replaced the 1000 can with a TI midpipe and TI can from M4, great sounding system. The 1000 has a TI header to begin with.

[Roy]

This is what a stock '06 GSX-R1000 looks like with the can. Kinda fat looking:eek2: That pic was taken with "0" miles on it, just brought it home.

[suzukijo]

and what an '07 bandit looks like with '06 GSXR 1000 pipe.

skinny looking compared to stock unit, and about 7.5 lbs. i removed the throttle.

http://img258.imageshack.us/img258/7636/img2645qe3.jpg

early mockup, rear mount fit perfectly, once throttle removed, front fits also.
notice muffler rear tip is at end of rear disc. 5-6 inches shorter than on the GSXR.

http://img209.imageshack.us/img209/6192/img2519if0.jpg

the pipe is Titanium. so welding a slip fit on the front, the tube needs to be Ti also.
easily found on ebay, or local if you have that access.
the pipes come up on ebay often, a whole system usually goes for $50.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ih=013&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWA%3AIT&viewitem=&item=230217813580&rd=1 this one sold for about $40, small nick in side, but complete system.
wait for one without scratches.

ROY is yours nice, want to sell it? the old GSXR Ti pipe?

if theres enough interest, i'll post how i did mine.
sound is here.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QWvcbVBTC1Q

[Roy]

ROY is yours nice, want to sell it? the old GSXR Ti pipe?

if theres enough interest, i'll post how i did mine.
sound is here.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QWvcbVBTC1Q

Mine is perfect I removed when the bike had maybe 300 miles on it. I think I will hold onto for now. Appreciate the offer.

[bones]

if theres enough interest, i'll post how i did mine.
sound is here.
Please do. Unsure of the looks, but that stock pipe on the Bandit has to be a 30 pounder.

[El Bandito]

Thanks for the responses. Ordered the Scorpion today. SS oval, seems like what I'm looking for. No FI mod, centerstand stop, and relatively quiet.

I got one on my 1250, and I love it, and its runs great with it, you will diffinately be happy with it. :rider:
http://image1.frappr.com/pix1/i/20080103/a/f/1/af1ef45bc3c8a0f8ee622ea1c01562950_large.jpg

[rworm]

http://i253.photobucket.com/albums/hh44/robertworm/bandit088.jpg

http://i253.photobucket.com/albums/hh44/robertworm/bandit087.jpg


rworm:trust:

[suzukijo]

sweet!

......or ceramic?

[rworm]

Paint with ceramic?????????? dont know to much about it-just got it did-
Hard stuff though





rworm

[suzukijo]

Please do. Unsure of the looks, but that stock pipe on the Bandit has to be a 30 pounder.


find a '06 GSXR 1000 pipe on ebay.
some are as high as $350, some as low as $10, there will always be one thats nice, and cheap, if you wait.

heres a comparison to the stock muffler. as you can see its way shorter.
no modifications are needed to the mounting bracket.

http://img206.imageshack.us/img206/5223/img2522tm7.jpg

cut the throttle plate off, with a chop saw, and weld a Ti tube on the end.

http://img443.imageshack.us/img443/1735/img2584wb9.jpg

buy a couple clamps to hold it,inside view

http://img402.imageshack.us/img402/915/img0203fx0.jpg

outside view.

http://img402.imageshack.us/img402/486/img0204qm4.jpg

rear mount, no changes.

http://img206.imageshack.us/img206/4919/img0205ul2.jpg

clearance is no problem, with pegs or swingarm or wfo riding.

http://img206.imageshack.us/img206/2495/img0208nl8.jpg
http://img443.imageshack.us/img443/3671/img2695ut2.jpg
http://img206.imageshack.us/img206/7748/img2436dv6.jpg

i always like the '06 muffler. the triangle shape, mimics the frame cover and other angular design clues on the bandit. it is half the weight of the stock pipe, a little louder/throatier.

i have another one, that is near perfect, but havnt finished the modification to mount it yet, but summers coming and i hope to find time then to finish it, and have the welder do a neater job.

i paid about $50 for the muff off ebay, another $20 for the Ti tube, i cut some of the tubing into strips and the welder used that as rod.
the 2 clamps came from McMaster Carr, and cost about $15. i copied dale walkers idea of using a rubber stop on the centerstand. notice centerstand bolt is now from the left and easily removable.

http://img135.imageshack.us/img135/2889/img0210xz7.jpg

and my fav shot........you knew it was coming.

http://img113.imageshack.us/img113/2199/img2626jn1.jpg

[Kidder]

If I were putting a pipe on a Bandit, I'd go with Yoshimura. I've had a bolt-on and full system on my GSXR1000 and they were both great build quality.

I had a Micron full system on my SV. It was a nice high-mount and it had an easy removable end-cap. It was not riveted like the Yosh. Something to consider for repacking especially if you get carbon fiber.

The Scorpion stuff seems pretty good.

And, I know Dale Walker over @ Holeshot puts a lot of time and effort into performance mods for Bandits.

[windman]

I love my Yosh...bought at http://www.starcycle-usa.com:


http://img329.imageshack.us/img329/929/82859579gq6.jpg

and what about the sound:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wX3YCJFkK5k

[AXEL]

Just finished installing the same Yoshimura. Looks great, definately high quality. Got mine from Morepower Racing for $291.00 to my door. They must have a warehouse near by because I ordered it just yesterday. One note on installation, a 3/16" hole needs to be drilled in the stock collector to securely locate the mid pipe. Since you're drilling into stainless steel you better have a good drill bit.

[dwoodul]

Here's my Two Brothers M2 slip-on. It's late here so I haven't done a test drive. Very EASY to install and I like the looks of the new can. Now I'll try to post a picture.... Not sure if that worked.

Ol Dave

[dwoodul]

Here's a couple more of the 2-Bros slip-on...

Ol Dave

[gunzip]

just to be a nerd I'm thinking about putting a $25 cherry bomb car glass pack on my 1250

just to be a nerd :rider:

[terrebandit]

Hey Windman... that Yosh looks nice on that bike.

[gunzip]

Had a Yosh 4 into 1 on my gs1100 really ran well , kicked myself often for trading it back in on some stockers.
Dale Walker is reporting about a 25 horse gain with his prototype full system , I'll buy one and really collect some speeding tickets !!

[dwoodul]

Finally got out today to test my new 2-Bros slip-on and it sounds really nice. Suzukijo had, if I remember, a video of his GSX pipe and it sounds a lot like that - sort of a nice deep throaty growl – not too loud. I'm not running the power-tip which, I think, makes it a little quieter. I also here more decel popping which I hope to cure with a PowerCommander or Holeshot FI package.

Anyway – I like the new slip-on al lot.

Here’s some more PICs I hope look OK.

Ol Dave

[Sheep]

I installed Dale's 14" silver, non-badged high pipe (non-tourer) first without the PAIR block-off plug. There's some popping but primarily only when downshifting off high revs. After few days put the plug in and zero popping. Couple weeks later I installed the rest of his complete Dobeck tuning pack. It does everything he claims... wonderful! Removes at least 9lb of weight between OEM & new pipe.

Have put over 3800mi on bike since install. Sound has not changed; very deep tone and not loud. At steady speeds you can hear exhaust tone but it absolutely won't "ear fatigue" you on long trips... wind noise is still far greater. After a while the alum case shell will start to dull. I used light application of Mother's alum polish and it brings a real shine right back without leaving swirl marks. I prefer simple style of the Holeshot short, round can... it is a sport tourer so want a little bark.

I use Cortech sport saddlebags (with large travel bag across seat and sb's) and there's plenty of clearance, and ride solo so the rear pegs have long been removed. Holeshot also offers the lower touring version which accomodates the Givi/Suzi hardbags. Here's quickie pic of mine (with Ernie) at 4400mi ...
http://i177.photobucket.com/albums/w225/sheepstb/Bandit5.jpg

[BWT]

I'm looking for a little help in finding a slip on pipe for my Bandit 1250. In Canada we can purchase a touring version w/color keyed GV bags (see www.suzuki.ca) but when the dealer tried to install a Yosh pipe the angle of the Yosh was steeeper than the stock pipe so we could not put the bags back on without hitting the pipe.

What I need to know is if the Scorpion or Two Bros pipe angle is any less steep than the Yosh. If somebody out there who has a Scorpion or TB pipe on their 1250could run a straight edge along the top of their pipe up to the license plate and tell me approximate where the straight edge touches the license plate. For the pipe to fit w/ bags the top edge of the pipe is it continued to the license plate would fall just below the license plate bracket. If it does this, then I know the pipe would clear the bags.

If any owners can help me it would be greatly appreciated. I love everything about this bike except the over muffled sound and I really want to be heard in traffic as well. I know it seems kind of silly but the dealer tells me if they order a TB or Scorpion pipe, they cannot return it to their distributor so if it doesn't fit so I would be stuck with it, so the more reassurance I can get before I order one, the better.

By the way if anyone likes the idea of the bags they can also be orderd through GIVI or Suzuki Canada with or without painted inserts. I will never go back to soft luggage after owing them.

Thanks

[Roy]

I'm looking for a little help in finding a slip on pipe for my Bandit 1250. In Canada we can purchase a touring version w/color keyed GV bags (see www.suzuki.ca) but when the dealer tried to install a Yosh pipe the angle of the Yosh was steeeper than the stock pipe so we could not put the bags back on without hitting the pipe.

What I need to know is if the Scorpion or Two Bros pipe angle is any less steep than the Yosh. If somebody out there who has a Scorpion or TB pipe on their 1250could run a straight edge along the top of their pipe up to the license plate and tell me approximate where the straight edge touches the license plate. For the pipe to fit w/ bags the top edge of the pipe is it continued to the license plate would fall just below the license plate bracket. If it does this, then I know the pipe would clear the bags.

If any owners can help me it would be greatly appreciated. I love everything about this bike except the over muffled sound and I really want to be heard in traffic as well. I know it seems kind of silly but the dealer tells me if they order a TB or Scorpion pipe, they cannot return it to their distributor so if it doesn't fit so I would be stuck with it, so the more reassurance I can get before I order one, the better.

By the way if anyone likes the idea of the bags they can also be orderd through GIVI or Suzuki Canada with or without painted inserts. I will never go back to soft luggage after owing them.

Thanks

This pipe will work with bags, close but works fine and it sounds great!

http://www.twtex.com/forums/showthread.php?t=25439

[dwoodul]

BWT - I have a 2-Bros and will measure as soon as I can move the car - it's actually snowing in the Dallas area right now so that may be in the AM Friday.

On the decel popping - I had a lot of popping right after I installed the 2-bros slipon but it has since, for the most part, stopped. kinda like the FI learned about the slipon and adjusted... ???? Dang smart bike.. :lol2: I may wait a while 'till I pick up the Holeshot package.

Ol Dave

[Sheep]

One of many reasons I opted for the Holeshot muff was that if for some reason the outer skin of can gets dented, scratched, scraped... you can send the muff back to Dale and he will remove the skin and replace with totally new exterior.

[windman]

I also here more decel popping which I hope to cure with a PowerCommander or Holeshot FI package.

Ol Dave

just need to block the PAIR valve and the popping will disappear.

step one of this tutorial

http://www.holeshot.com/Bandit_1250/1250tfi_installation.html

[windman]

but when the dealer tried to install a Yosh pipe the angle of the Yosh was steeeper than the stock pipe so we could not put the bags back on without hitting the pipe.

Thanks

Can you tell me witch Yosh pipe was tried?

[BWT]

The yosh pipe the dealer tried was a Yosh RS-3.

[Brass]

Give the Two Brothers tech line a call, they should be able to tell you if their pipe will clear the factory installed luggage. Here is the number 1.800.211.2767.

[windman]

if it's a Yosh that you want, ther a way to fit it:

http://www.maximum-suzuki.com/forums/index.php?topic=63749.0


I'm looking for a little help in finding a slip on pipe for my Bandit 1250. In Canada we can purchase a touring version w/color keyed GV bags (see www.suzuki.ca) but when the dealer tried to install a Yosh pipe the angle of the Yosh was steeeper than the stock pipe so we could not put the bags back on without hitting the pipe.

What I need to know is if the Scorpion or Two Bros pipe angle is any less steep than the Yosh. If somebody out there who has a Scorpion or TB pipe on their 1250could run a straight edge along the top of their pipe up to the license plate and tell me approximate where the straight edge touches the license plate. For the pipe to fit w/ bags the top edge of the pipe is it continued to the license plate would fall just below the license plate bracket. If it does this, then I know the pipe would clear the bags.

If any owners can help me it would be greatly appreciated. I love everything about this bike except the over muffled sound and I really want to be heard in traffic as well. I know it seems kind of silly but the dealer tells me if they order a TB or Scorpion pipe, they cannot return it to their distributor so if it doesn't fit so I would be stuck with it, so the more reassurance I can get before I order one, the better.

By the way if anyone likes the idea of the bags they can also be orderd through GIVI or Suzuki Canada with or without painted inserts. I will never go back to soft luggage after owing them.

Thanks

[RDKR 350]

In the great pipe family, the Slovenian Akrapovic is a possible choice.

http://img513.imageshack.us/img513/1479/gsf12500503200810ht6.jpg

[dacur]

Nice looking pipe!

[RDKR 350]

Yes Dacur but above all, titanium and carbon fiber make low weight (2.6 kg).
Of course, total plug and play. No ajustement and street legal noise.
RDKR 350

[GregH]

That's a cool pipe, RDKR.

[dacur]

Thanks for the information! I got on the company website and could not find a pipe listed for the Suzuki Bandit 1250. Which one did you get? Or am I not looking in the right place?

[RDKR 350]

Try this link, Dacur:

http://akrapovic-exhaust.fr/catalogue.php?fID=1&marque_id=3

RDKR 350

[dacur]

You have been very helpful, thanks again.
Keep your forks up!

[bones]

WOW! That Akrapovic looks fantastic. Wonder how long it will take for that to get to the US?

EDIT: Offta! $1350 US dollars. Can that be right? It was the slip on price of 685€

[RDKR 350]

It is possible Bones, but the very low price of the GSF 1250 allows you to choose a quality exhaust.

RDKR 350

http://img119.imageshack.us/img119/4522/190320087btl0.jpg

[bones]

But I paid 6000 for mine with ABS, that exhaust is 25% of the cost of the entire bike. :lol2:

[RDKR 350]

OK Bones

In France 12.5 GSF is most expensive. € 7500 (ready to ride) for mine.

RDKR 350

[RDKR 350]

Just for your information, here is the complete Akrapovic line. Full Titanium, without cat.

http://img171.imageshack.us/img171/3008/akrapovicgsf11pb6.jpg

Photo view on the french forum.

http://www.banditworld.org/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=2391&st=0&sk=t&sd=a&start=45

RDKR 350

[whitesands]

Just for your information, here is the complete Akrapovic line. Full Titanium, without cat.

http://img171.imageshack.us/img171/3008/akrapovicgsf11pb6.jpg

Photo view on the french forum.

http://www.banditworld.org/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=2391&st=0&sk=t&sd=a&start=45

RDKR 350

I really like the way the bandit looks without the fairing...Very nice! That looks like a full exhaust...The dyno chart looks impressive.

[dmerc]

Any tightwads here? Other than me?

I saw a 'Busa with something similar to these. Carbon fiber car mufflers.
But, he didn't have a sound clip.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/BLACK-CARBON-FIBER-MUFFLER-SILENCER-TITANIUM-TIP_W0QQitemZ260225652568QQihZ016QQcategoryZ33636Q QssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

[bones]

2.5" inlet is pretty large no? Prolly needs a lot of customizing to fit and look decent. Then it may sound like garbage.

Be a leader :clap:

[dmerc]

2.5" inlet is pretty large no? Prolly needs a lot of customizing to fit and look decent. Then it may sound like garbage.

Be a leader :clap:

2.5"? that's what my stock pipe measures. It would require cutting the stock midpipe off at the muffler, and a SS coupler clamp, I'm assuming it comes with the clamp for the can OD. Didn't look bad on the Busa, maybe a tad too short. Wish I could find a sound clip. I've also seen 14" polished stainless cans, perfect length, but I love that carbon.

[bones]

16" is not bad for length. Find me a SS coupler and one of those mounts that wrap around the pipe and bolt to the stock mount and I will buy one today and cut my junk up. If it fails, buy something else.

[dmerc]

16" is not bad for length. Find me a SS coupler and one of those mounts that wrap around the pipe and bolt to the stock mount and I will buy one today and cut my junk up. If it fails, buy something else.

It's NOT 16" tho'....if it was, I'd have one on the way!! That's the total length. I emailed 'em to see what the actual can size is, I'm guessing 12.5"...that's what most of 'em like that are. The couplers and clamps are easily found on Ebay.

Here's a 14.5" can I just found: http://www.mufflermall.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=130&products_id=726

They have a good selection of polished,too.

BTW, You familiar with Crawford Quarry in Cedar Rapids?

[bones]

I need to get in with the import crowd I guess.

No idea on Crawford Quarry I can look into it if you need any info.

[dmerc]

I need to get in with the import crowd I guess.

No idea on Crawford Quarry I can look into it if you need any info.

No, my Uncle is retired, but he owns it. His son-in-laws run it now.

This is tempting too for less than $40...I'd have to do something with that outlet tho'. I have no doubt that these could be quieted down. I've had to do it before.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/VISION-RACING-N1-F-UNIVERSAL-MUFFLER-EXHAUST-W-SILENCER_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQ_trksidZp1742Q2em153Q2e l1262QQcategoryZ33636QQihZ016QQitemZ260224972771

[bones]

Other than the tips, I like the idea you have.

[dmerc]

Hey Bones, here's a link to the Pics, then, a link to the sound. see what you think.

http://www.hayabusa.org/forums/?act=ST;f=3;t=92107

http://media.putfile.com/exhaust-sound-clip-79?utm_source=embed1&utm_medium=embed

EDIT, BTW, The guy said the sound/video is withOUT the silencers.

[bones]

Sounds nice to me. Looks a bit odd on a 'busa, but that's just me. I have a friend that can TIG it all up for me so it's this or what suzukijo did with an 06 GSXR pipe

[dmerc]

Sounds nice to me. Looks a bit odd on a 'busa, but that's just me. I have a friend that can TIG it all up for me so it's this or what suzukijo did with an 06 GSXR pipe

No, it's not just you. If he had shortened up the midpipe, it woulda' looked better. But, the far away shot doesn't look bad. I was surprised at the sound. I expected it to sound brutal! ;o)

[PhilS]

http://img119.imageshack.us/img119/4522/190320087btl0.jpg

Looking at the photo of the European 1250 earlier in this thread, it appears to "NOT" have bar-end weights. Were these removed, am I missing something, or does the Euro version not have them for some reason?

[RDKR 350]

Hey Phil S

I removed the bar end weights and I also removed the footpeg weights. I try to remove the masses unnecessary for me.

RDKR 350 :rider:

[bones]

Try this link, Dacur:

http://akrapovic-exhaust.fr/catalogue.php?fID=1&marque_id=3

RDKR 350
I emailed them about getting one to the states or a dealer here that might be able to. Thanks

[Roy]

Since we are on the subject of pipes. 315 miles on my Bandit yesterday and I put the baffle back in the Leo Vince slip-on. noise was just too much for the long haul trips and I believe it was adding to some high frequency vibration I have bee nfeeling lately. It still sounds good in but was very deep with it out. I have a loud sportbike so no need for the Bandit to be sounding off.

[gunzip]

Any tightwads here? Other than me?



The tightest :lol2:

Here is my chopped in half cherry bomb , two slipons for about $70 investment.
$25 for the muffler , $25 for an ebay muffler and midpipe and some budweiser to use a lathe to make the end cap and adapter to mount to the mid pipe after I cut the OEM muffler off.
Did it as a joke really ; but wound up being amazed by great it sounds and runs

[fightevil]

Ok.....let me just get this straight.....

I can put on a '06 GSX 1000 muffler and pipe with limited modification? That sure would be the cheapest way to go to get rid of the Halo 3 rocket launcher (thats what my kids call it) on the side of the bike.

[Spincycle]

If you have a Suzuki you have to have a Yoshi! It's a rule:duck:
http://i259.photobucket.com/albums/hh292/bighugmug/DSC02484.jpg?t=1245897042
http://i259.photobucket.com/albums/hh292/bighugmug/DSC02482.jpg?t=1245897087

[Silversmoke]

+1 on the Yoshi. Excellent quality, smooth growl that is pleasant hear, but not so loud as to cause the neighbors to complain. The carbon fiber looks great and, even better, it doesn't get nearly as hot as stainless steel. Definitely helps in preventing the passenger accidently being burned. Great product!