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DFW_Warrior
04-09-2008, 09:32 AM
I'm doing some looking for a friend and wondering if anyone has some real world experience with them. I've heard second hand reports that they aren't too bad, they just don't have the fit and finish of the Japanese bikes. Do that handle freeway speeds fairly well? Any breakdowns to report maybe?

http://www.americanlifan.com/lifan3/products.html

sharkey
04-09-2008, 09:37 AM
A guy showed up on a knock off Honda Helix that was made by Lifan to the Scootercade in AR. He said it was reliable. He had logged couple thousand miles on it.

That's my extent of knowledge, sorry I have no more info.

Jack Giesecke
04-09-2008, 09:49 AM
I'm doing some looking for a friend and wondering if anyone has some real world experience with them. I've heard second hand reports that they aren't too bad, they just don't have the fit and finish of the Japanese bikes. Do that handle freeway speeds fairly well? Any breakdowns to report maybe?

http://www.americanlifan.com/lifan3/products.html

Your second hand reports are pretty spot on. Expect to have to tweak a few things out of the crate, but very few problems if any with the engines. The Lifan, i believe, the 200 anyway, uses the OHV motor, but it's a good motor. I've sold a few of the 150s. Expect to put a decent chain on it, maybe a smaller rear sprocket, new tubes (the chinese use poor quality rubber in the tubes they use), and minor things otherwise. I'm in my 4th year with my Diamo and it's running fantastic. It's getting kinda beat up cause I show it absolutely NO love....:lol2: ....but it's still doing the job I bought it for above expectations. Ty wrap that stupid plastic battery holder, too, to better secure it. That's a weak point if you use it rough like I do.

For much more info to any of your questions, go sign on to http://chinariders.net/ . There's all sorts of info there on maintenance, care, weak points of the bikes, cross over parts from Honda or Yamaha, etc. Lots of stuff crosses from old Honda parts. That's where my rear sprocket came from, ebayed, CL175 I think it was, early 70s. It's 10 teeth smaller than what came with the bike. The bikes ain't up to Japanese detail, but they're very reliable engines and replacement parts and even complete engines are dirt cheap. Maintenance is simple and an XR manual will work at least for the OHC models like mine. The OHV is a bit different.

Oh, drill and safety wire the exhaust mount bolt on the frame. It WILL get loose otherwise. :trust: There are little things like that. It's not really a moron's motorcycle. I look at it as something like an improved Indian Enfield. Stronger, better designed motor, but something that isn't quite turn key, but is easily user servicable. More reliable than Enfields from what I've read, though, LOL. For the money, they're great! If you have political reasons not to buy China, well, that's your problem. They're available at great prices and they're well worth it unless you're planning an adventure tour of Big Bend or something. They are, after all, just 200ccs. There are 250s out now and I've seen pix of 350cc bikes, but the 200 is what I wanted for the rack that comes on it. Hauls a lot of corn to my feeders. :lol2: It was my Toyota 4x4 replacement when I sold the Toyota. :tears: Less chance of getting stuck with it, though. That's a plus. And, I've hauled stands and feeders down there and even drug my hog trap in with it, saved me a lot of sweat. Around town, it gets near 80 mpg and that's a good thing, though mileage actually drops to 60-70 out on the highway depending on wind direction. All that WFO, ya know. It runs along at about 60, but gets there eventually. :lol2:

TWTim
04-09-2008, 10:02 AM
Commie bike! I, personally, wouldn't buy one. It's virtually impossible to avoid buying Chinese products as it is, much less consciously going out and buying an entire Chinese motorcycle.

The military dangers of supporting China and its slave-labor economic system:

http://www.youtube.com/v/jVhmEswNxMw&hl=en

The human exploitation of Chinese slave laborers so we can have a decadent Martis Gras (censored nudity warning):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6kCxvbBsv00

Just something to think about. In my opinion, our current relationship with China amounts to dancing with the devil.

pacman
04-09-2008, 10:16 AM
I've been thinking about getting a little Lifan 150 for commuting. Something like this, (https://motorcycles-wholesale.com/Roketa-200cc-Enduro-Bikes/) or maybe even this. (https://motorcycles-wholesale.com/Lifan-GRX200/) I would like to see mileage numbers a little higher, though.

What I think would really be cool is getting something like this plated. Would this rock, or what?
http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i77/wstecker/Bikes/110gy-1.jpg
I'm thinking the DOT might not go for it though.

Desert Skies
04-09-2008, 10:49 AM
Maybe see this link (http://www.twtex.com/forums/showthread.php?t=26587).:deal:

sharkey
04-09-2008, 11:07 AM
I've been thinking about getting a little Lifan 150 for commuting. Something like this, (https://motorcycles-wholesale.com/Roketa-200cc-Enduro-Bikes/) or maybe even this. (https://motorcycles-wholesale.com/Lifan-GRX200/) I would like to see mileage numbers a little higher, though.

What I think would really be cool is getting something like this plated. Would this rock, or what?
http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i77/wstecker/Bikes/110gy-1.jpg
I'm thinking the DOT might not go for it though.


I'd like the shrunken bike net to the Lifan street bike. :mrgreen:
Centerstand and kickstart on street bike? Interesting.

DFW_Warrior
04-09-2008, 11:30 AM
Maybe see this link (http://www.twtex.com/forums/showthread.php?t=26587).:deal:

Just because one product is crap from a country doesn't mean all of them are. Heck, all my drill bits are German and they are fantastic and they come from the same country as the auto-igniting final drive maker. So for me it doesn't mean a thing.

DaveC
04-09-2008, 11:41 AM
Commie bike! I, personally, wouldn't buy one. It's virtually impossible to avoid buying Chinese products as it is, much less consciously going out and buying an entire Chinese motorcycle.

The military dangers of supporting China and its slave-labor economic system:

http://www.youtube.com/v/jVhmEswNxMw&hl=en

The human exploitation of Chinese slave laborers so we can have a decadent Martis Gras (censored nudity warning):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6kCxvbBsv00

Just something to think about. In my opinion, our current relationship with China amounts to dancing with the devil.

I would consider them a two pronged threat. Financial and militarily. They do have the largest standing army on the planet, I don't care how many fancy gagets the Inspector has , it the guy with the gun on the ground that does the fighting. To support that gun you need a manufacturing complex, which seems to be disappearing rather quickly from these fair shores.

DaveC
04-09-2008, 12:08 PM
So if you do a search on them you find a site listed in the google ad section (top line of page) there is a place selling this
https://motorcycles-wholesale.com/images/1181949152874.jpg
$1249 plus shipping Thats cheap!

Desert Skies
04-09-2008, 12:10 PM
Stopped in a Kaw dealer in OK to get a tire fixed a while back. They had a LF200GY in the shop and I was looking at it, thought it looked pretty good. Wrench walked over and we started talking about it. Told him, that thing don't look half bad. He laughed and said, "Brother, what a piece of excrement that thing is. It's been in here more than it's been ridden". He went on to tell me it's had clutch problems, tranny problems and a carb problem they just can't seem to iron out.

Think I'll just build the bike fund up a little more and go a little more main stream.

DFW_Warrior
04-09-2008, 12:10 PM
I would consider them a two pronged threat. Financial and militarily. They do have the largest standing army on the planet, I don't care how many fancy gagets the Inspector has , it the guy with the gun on the ground that does the fighting. To support that gun you need a manufacturing complex, which seems to be disappearing rather quickly from these fair shores.

I hate to say it, but I could really care less when it comes to buying a motorcycle. I'm helping a friend look for a bike that is sub-$2000 and still a decent little street bike to learn on. This thread has nothing to do with me wanting to know about Chinese economics, what they do to their children, how big their military is, which god they worship, how they make crappy self tapping screws, or anything else for that matter.

Plain and simple I just don't give a rats behind. Now if you have some experience with these bikes then go right ahead, I'd love to hear what you have to say. Other than that, it's all just meaningless babble that belongs in another thread.

Have a nice day.;-)

DFW_Warrior
04-09-2008, 12:12 PM
Think I'll just build the bike fund up a little more and go a little more main stream.
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That was also my first comment to the soon to be new rider. I just wanted to hear what others thought about them as well.

DaveC
04-09-2008, 12:21 PM
Whats wrong with this picture?
https://motorcycles-wholesale.com/images/side.jpg

$1995

other than it a strange looking critter.

pacman
04-09-2008, 02:58 PM
Whats wrong with this picture?


$1995

other than it a strange looking critter.

F650 knock off. Looks really goofy, but it's probably a decent little bike. I think it's a 250 parallel twin.

DaveC
04-09-2008, 03:05 PM
F650 knock off. Looks really goofy, but it's probably a decent little bike. I think it's a 250 parallel twin.

I started a "lets Poke fun at the BMW knockoff "thread. I just coudn't help it:lol2:


I like the dual sport in black and for 1480 to the door it is worth looking into. being that Honda parts may be availble. Affordable knock around bike, prably very servicable if they copied the Honda product. Jack seems fairly pleased with his abused unit. :lol2:

Jack Giesecke
04-09-2008, 03:50 PM
Just because one product is crap from a country doesn't mean all of them are. Heck, all my drill bits are German and they are fantastic and they come from the same country as the auto-igniting final drive maker. So for me it doesn't mean a thing.

My step dad used to yap about never buying anything Japanese. He hated the Japanese. However, for some odd reason, he always wanted a Mercedes diesel and my mom had a VW when they got married. Hmm, wasn't Hitler/Germany our enemy in that war, too? The "people's car" was Hitler's pride. Whazzup with dat? :rolleyes:

Jack Giesecke
04-09-2008, 03:58 PM
It was new, then. It's getting a bit rusty and cracked here and there, but still running great. If I'd wash the dirt off it now and then, it'd help.





http://i259.photobucket.com/albums/hh305/goose150/PICT0049.jpg

Chirpy
04-09-2008, 05:00 PM
They have a 400cc V-Twin (http://www.scooterrevolution.com/400cc-by-Lifan-LF400-2.html) for $3999.00 MSRP?!?

http://www.scooterrevolution.com/images/LF400(A).jpg

leekellerking
04-09-2008, 05:36 PM
F650 knock off. Looks really goofy, but it's probably a decent little bike. I think it's a 250 parallel twin.


Nope. It's a 16 hp thumper. Might be fun, especially for $1480 out the door!

DaveC
04-09-2008, 06:01 PM
Nope. It's a 16 hp thumper. Might be fun, especially for $1480 out the door!
The Blugly (https://motorcycles-wholesale.com/grx-250-street-bike/)one! Blue + ugly :lol2:

Hemibee
04-09-2008, 06:14 PM
I remember when there was some really crappy bikes on the market that no one in his right mind was buying then they came out with a stupid little saying about you meet the nicest people on a honda........

ColGoodnight
04-09-2008, 06:23 PM
Chongqing Lifan is one of China's top handful of motorcycle manufacturers. They build several million bikes a year and export to 140 countries.

In America, there's American Lifan bikes, Lifan bikes imported by somebody else, bikes built by another factory with Lifan engines, other bikes that look just like Lifan bikes but aren't, and even some use of the "Lifan" name as a description of any Chinese motorcycle* (like "Band-aid" or Kleenex").

Understand: there are bikes in the USA called Lifan that are spec'd different, built out of different materials with different processes and assembled with various levels of expertise. There are up-to-the-minute motorcycle factories in China that are turning out Hondas (Jialing, & Honda advertises that fact in Japan), Yamahas (Jianshe), Suzukis (Qingqi), Piaggios (Zongshen) - and BMW engines (Loncin) - and there are other factories that are little dirt floor shops that assemble sub-contracted parts to the lowest price point and spec imaginable.

American Lifan is the US branch of the Lifan factory back in China. Their headquarters is in N. E. Dallas, up by Garland. They sell only EPA & DOT bikes 100% built by the Lifan factory for the American market through authorized brick&mortar dealers.

HTH,
Tom

*Except for Chirpy's pic, all the other bike pictured so far are not actual Lifans. Ducati and Moto Guzzi - same thing, right? ;)

ColGoodnight
04-09-2008, 06:25 PM
Nope. It's a 16 hp thumper.

Certainly the one I sat on and poked around was a twin.

Tom

ColGoodnight
04-09-2008, 06:28 PM
They have a 400cc V-Twin (http://www.scooterrevolution.com/400cc-by-Lifan-LF400-2.html) for $3999.00 MSRP?!?

A re-build of the shaft drive Yamaha Virago 535 (apparently with Yamaha's blessing), but with the Japanese market displacement of 400cc's.

Most sellers of Chinese motorcycles publish high MSRPs. Must be a marketing thing. The street price is usually much less.

Tom

ColGoodnight
04-09-2008, 06:45 PM
F650 knock off.

I don't think the Chinese understand just how offensive Americans find the practice of knocking-off somebody else's product and intellectual property. ;)

Harley:
http://www.factoryfat.com/images/evolutionengine.jpg

S&S:
http://www.chopperresource.co.uk/my_uploads/products/12e.jpg

Tom

pacman
04-09-2008, 08:22 PM
Nope. It's a 16 hp thumper. Might be fun, especially for $1480 out the door!


From Lifan's GRX-250 page (http://https://motorcycles-wholesale.com/grx-250-street-bike/):


Maximum Speed80 - 90+ mphEngineDisplacement: 250cc, Twin Cylinder, 4-Stroke
17.4 Horsepower @ 7300 rpm
14 nM @ 7000 rpm
Bore x Stroke: 2.1" x 2.1"
Transmission: 5-Speed Manual
Cooling System: Air Cooled
Ignition: C.D.I perpetuation AC ignition
Engine Oil: SAE15W/40SFDrive SystemChain DriveTiresFRONT TIRE: 110/70-16" Performance tire
REAR TIRE: ..140/70-16" Performance tireSuspensionsFRONT SUSPENSION: Twin Telescopic Hydraulic Forks
REAR SUSPENSION: Heavy-Duty Mono-Shock w/ Damper Control BrakesFRONT: Hydraulic ABS (Anti-Locking) Disc Brake
REAR: Hydraulic Disc Brake Weight: (Net / Shipped)Net Weight: 330.7 lbs. / Shipped Weight: 385.7 lbs.Fuel Tank Capacity:11 LitersDimensionsLength: 84.6"
Width: 30.9"
Height: 45.3"
Seat Height: 31.5"
Ground Clearance: 6.7"
Wheelbase: 57.1"Carrying Capacity400 lbs (2 Adults)Battery12V - 9A/hRange80 - 100+ Miles Per GallonStarterCDI Electric Starter and Kick-StarterWarrantyFREE! 3 YEAR / 30,000 MILES Replacement Parts Warranty!! (Value: $200)Age Recommendation16 and up



It's a little unusual that they would put 16" wheels on it. Wonder what that's all about?

ColGoodnight
04-09-2008, 09:19 PM
From Lifan's GRX-250 page

That's the web page of a direct importer called "Lifan Motorcycles Wholesale", which is not an authorized Chongqing Lifan importer and which sells motorcycles made by several Chinese factories.

Lifan does not build the GRX-250 - or a Honda Helix copy.

Chongqing Lifan's web site is:
http://www.lifan.com/en/

American Lifan's web site is:
http://www.americanlifan.com/

Best,
Tom

ColGoodnight
04-09-2008, 09:25 PM
It's a little unusual that they would put 16" wheels on it. Wonder what that's all about?

1987-2007 Kawasaki Ninja 250. Buell Blast.

Tom

pacman
04-09-2008, 11:43 PM
But it does appear to be a parallel twin, no?

STrider
04-10-2008, 01:49 AM
... a bit rusty and cracked here and there, but still running great. If I'd wash the dirt off it now and then, it'd help.


You, or the bike?

ColGoodnight
04-10-2008, 04:53 AM
But it does appear to be a parallel twin, no?

F'sure.

Tom

Jack Giesecke
04-10-2008, 08:36 AM
You, or the bike?

I've been that way for a while.

DaveC
04-10-2008, 08:52 AM
Chongqing Lifan is one of China's top handful of motorcycle manufacturers. They build several million bikes a year and export to 140 countries.

In America, there's American Lifan bikes, Lifan bikes imported by somebody else, bikes built by another factory with Lifan engines, other bikes that look just like Lifan bikes but aren't, and even some use of the "Lifan" name as a description of any Chinese motorcycle* (like "Band-aid" or Kleenex").

Understand: there are bikes in the USA called Lifan that are spec'd different, built out of different materials with different processes and assembled with various levels of expertise. There are up-to-the-minute motorcycle factories in China that are turning out Hondas (Honda advertises that fact in Japan), Yamahas, Suzukis, Piaggios - and BMW engines - and there are other factories that are little dirt floor shops that assemble sub-contracted parts to the lowest price point and spec imaginable.

American Lifan is the US branch of the Lifan factory back in China. Their headquarters is in N. E. Dallas, up by Garland. They sell only EPA & DOT bikes 100% built by the Lifan factory for the American market through authorized brick&mortar dealers.

HTH,
Tom

*Except for Chirpy's pic, all the other bike pictured so far are not actual Lifans. Ducati and Moto Guzzi - same thing, right? ;)

So what your saying is that when someone calls a China import a Lifan it is the same thing as some rube calling a GoldWing a Harley!
The blugly bike is a Roketa imported for Lifan Wholesale. Hmmm, I think I am starting to learn the differant Chinese makes. So whats Diamo?

Jack Giesecke
04-10-2008, 09:16 AM
www.diamousa.com

As to who makes 'em, don't know, other than the Chinese. :lol2: It's an import company with a warehouse and sales outlet in Sugar Land. They have a great warranty now, but prices have gotten a little high. There is a Diamo dealer now in Victoria. I am listed with 'em, but no longer sell bikes. I'm into lawnmowers now days. Better market in a redneck town. :lol2: I don't sell, just the occasional used. I just repair.

There are tons of generic 200cc "LF200" bikes out there, Diamo is one. It gets real confusing, but mine has the OHC 200cc motor and Lifans are OHV motors so mine is NOT a Lifan. Sure runs good and I got it cheap so I can't complain.

ed29
04-10-2008, 09:48 AM
I remember when there was some really crappy bikes on the market that no one in his right mind was buying then they came out with a stupid little saying about you meet the nicest people on a honda........


Tony, you beat me to it. I remember when Toyota and Datsuns were considered junk cars that nobody wanted. Then those ugly squared off cars started to get better looking, and folks started racking up the miles. Korean cars went through the same pains twenty or so years ago... Hyundai ring a bell?? Now I guess the Chinese manufacturers are attempting a serious market entrance. Bikes now... what are the odds that small cars and trucks will be next? I think they are already making inroads in the farm and construction equipment areas too. twenty odd years from now Lifan might be a major U.S. supplier. My crystal ball is cloudier than my rear view mirrors, so I am just guessing.

ColGoodnight
04-10-2008, 12:44 PM
China's eight largest motorcycle manufacturers all built more than one million bikes each in 2007: Grand River Group, Loncin, Chongqing Jianshe Yamaha Motor Co., Ltd., Lifan Group, China Jialing Group, Zongshen Industrial Group, Qianjiang Motorcycle Group, and Luoyang Northern Enterprises Group Co., Ltd. Together these companies built some 15 million bikes.

If your Chinese motorcycle factory build twice as many units as Harley-Davidson, you wouldn't even be in the top dozen largest!

The other 90+ Chinese motorcycle manufacturers built another 10 million bikes last year - or in other words, each of the 90 averaged building about as many motorcycles as BMW!

The Chinese motorcycle/scooter business has been a mess here in America the last decade, dominated by fly-by-night importers foisting off non-DOT, not-EPA junk under private labels with roots as deep as Birnam Wood. A few of the better outfits seem to be making progress, though. I'm hoping we'll get some shake out in the next few years and there'll be a couple of Chinese manufacturers that set up good container ship-to-customer operations, build up a solid reputation and move into the US market's now nearly empty 350-400cc segment.

Tom

ColGoodnight
04-10-2008, 12:48 PM
As to who makes 'em, don't know, other than the Chinese.

As little as you paid and as well as it's done by you, Jack, I think any motorcyclist would have to be impressed. What are the first three letters of your VIN?

Tom

DFW_Warrior
04-10-2008, 01:30 PM
Tom, thank you for all your great intel. That is exactly the type of info I was hoping to learn from this thread. Thanks a million.

leekellerking
04-10-2008, 04:21 PM
That's the web page of a direct importer called "Lifan Motorcycles Wholesale", which is not an authorized Chongqing Lifan importer and which sells motorcycles made by several Chinese factories.

Lifan does not build the GRX-250 - or a Honda Helix copy.

Chongqing Lifan's web site is:
http://www.lifan.com/en/

American Lifan's web site is:
http://www.americanlifan.com/

Best,
Tom


Awwww, so. That explains why the confusion.

So, the Roketa is not a Lifan?

Oh, never mind.


Lee

Jack Giesecke
04-10-2008, 05:40 PM
As little as you paid and as well as it's done by you, Jack, I think any motorcyclist would have to be impressed. What are the first three letters of your VIN?

Tom

LBXP first four letters.

Yeah, I got my money's worth out of the little toot a while ago and she's still goin' strong. I like it better than a 4 wheeler. I'd never ride a 4 wheeler except on my place. I can and do save a lot of gas riding this thing around town.

Jack Giesecke
04-10-2008, 05:58 PM
The Chinese motorcycle/scooter business has been a mess here in America the last decade, dominated by fly-by-night importers foisting off non-DOT, not-EPA junk under private labels with roots as deep as Birnam Wood. A few of the better outfits seem to be making progress, though. I'm hoping we'll get some shake out in the next few years and there'll be a couple of Chinese manufacturers that set up good container ship-to-customer operations, build up a solid reputation and move into the US market's now nearly empty 350-400cc segment.

Tom

Tell me about it. :rolleyes: I do small engines and have done motorcycle stuff. I like to stick to lawn equipment now days, but guys bring in pocket bikes and little ATVs they bought off a vendor on the side of the road and want me to work on this stuff. Some of it is, well, it'd get the XXX if I said it. Anything with SunL on it, watch out. :rolleyes: I think they're in Dallas, too. I don't mind looking at this stuff and sometimes I can fix it without manual or parts, but I ain't spending 30 minutes googling for parts. :rolleyes: And, had some of this stuff that was just worn out by kid abuse. The father will say "but I only bought it last march!" WELL, yeah.......:rolleyes: If I can't easily find parts, I ain't messin' with it, sorry.

BUT, I was selling the Lifan stuff originally and it was near Honda quality IMHO, at least the motors. I'm not sure what the rest of the bikes were, but they all had Lifan Honda clone motors. I had a Z50 and some XR70 knock offs. I mean, the parts would interchange with Honda. They were really good running, well built little bikes.

Quality is all over the map. That's why I always say to go to chinariders.net and ask questions. There's a lot of info on the various importers and such over there. I don't get on that site much, but did for a while just to kinda get the lay of the China bike land. It gets confusing.

They even sell the motors and performance stuff for some of the little Chinese stuff at http://www.hondaminitrail.com . Andy Marcer (Metric Motorcycles in Houston/Heights) and Yulyia even won an endurance championship in TMGP on a little $700 Chinese import with a 110cc motor and auto clutch. Of course, Andy didn't leave the thing alone. He's quite a good tuner and industrious enough to make a 700 dollar bike win its class. The thing was pretty impressive fast, though. I rode a WRW tuned NSR63 in the superbike class that year with John Casley and remember struggling to gain on that thing off corners. And, they were running in lightweight! It torqued off corners well, though John's NSR had top end on it at Denton where the straights are longer. Pretty danged impressive for a China bike, though, regardless of who's workin' with it IMHO.

pacman
04-10-2008, 07:52 PM
OK, now this caught my attention - in a Rokon-ish sort of way:
http://mascus.com.pl/Agriculture/Used-ATVs/.Ecorider-230-cc-Diesel/79894FF9.html

http://mascus.com.pl/images/productimages/d7df2a538c38432ba8f94bd9ed04d2cf.jpg

Wonder what the towing capacity of that bad boy is?

Here's one for sale on fleabay. (http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Ecorider-Diesel-Motorcycle-Bike-Off-Road-Golf-Course_W0QQitemZ200212737544QQcmdZViewItem?hash=it em200212737544)

Jack Giesecke
04-10-2008, 09:07 PM
It has lighting.....Hmmmmm. Bet it's slower'n Christmas, though. Sure would be GREAT off road, though, for chores, not in a motocross kinda way or anything. Love the trailer hitch!!!!!

ColGoodnight
04-11-2008, 07:19 AM
LBXP first four letters.

...aaaaaand that manufacturer is: Kinroad Xintian Motorcycle Manufacture Company, Ltd., located, of course, in Outang, Wuxi, Jiangsu, PRC (just outside of Shanghai).

http://www.kinroad.net/

They claim to build around half a million bikes&scoots&quads a year, which I'm guessing would put them into the top 20 in China (and makes them ~15X the size of Ducati!)

Scoot safe,
Tom

PS: Manufacturers' three letter VIN look up page:
http://www.nhtsa.dot.gov/cars/rules/manufacture/

Chirpy
04-11-2008, 09:55 AM
They have a Rhino with turn signals!

Jack Giesecke
04-11-2008, 10:26 AM
Wow, Tom, you are an encyclopedia of China bikes. :eek2: :lol2: Thanks for the identification! The DP bike on the cover of that site even has the same faux tank graphics. :mrgreen:

ColGoodnight
04-11-2008, 12:04 PM
I wouldnít care about Chinese motorcycles if Honda, Suzuki and Yamaha would offer a nice selection of modestly priced 125-500cc models in America. However, over the last thirty years they have become increasingly reluctant to do so.

Would I recommend a Chinabike to a friend today? Nope, not quite ready to do that yet.

Would I buy a Chinabike myself? I might.

Of the private label importers, Diamo (US headquarters in Sugarland, Texas), United Motors and QLINK (US headquarters in Grapevine, Texas) seem to get pretty fair buzz for specíing good machines from Chinese factories and - just as important - supporting their dealers with spare parts and warranty claims. American Lifan (US headquarters in Dallas) is all that and has the advantage of being the factoryís subsidiary (and thatís how every motorcycle brand thatís seen long term success in the USA runs their business).

I've been thinking about getting a small dual sport. First choice would be to find $7000 under the sofa cushions, wake up tomorrow 6 inches taller, and get a brand new Yamaha WR250R. Second choice would be to find a killer - make that chain saw massacre - deal on a used, low hour Kawasaki KLX250S. Baring either of those two unlikely events, well, the QLINK XP200 (http://www.qlinkmotor.com/CGI-BIN/57_2.jpg) looks promising (built by Qingqi, Suzuki's Chinese partner; has a DR200SE engine, pedal fr-disc w/ steel braid brake line; nice, modern styling).

Scoot safe,
Tom

TwoSmokeDS
05-02-2008, 08:31 PM
Here is my Hi-Bird. I believe it is based on the Lifan's GY-5.
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3262/2460571508_2982801ef8.jpg

I'm loving it so far.
________
MEDICAL MARIJUANA PATIENTS (http://mmjp.org)

DaveC
05-03-2008, 11:40 PM
Here is my Hi-Bird. I believe it is based on the Lifan's GY-5.
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3262/2460571508_2982801ef8.jpg

I'm loving it so far.


Keep us apprised of its good and bad points. If you would.

TwoSmokeDS
05-04-2008, 11:43 PM
Compare to my Nighthawk, the Hi-Bird's fit and finish just doesn't compare. I had expected this because the Honda costs three times as much. The important thing for me is the engine and transmission. The Lifan engines are suppose to be bullet proof, and the Hi-Bird is based on the Lifan. The frame doesn't seem as stout as it should be, but this is a nonissue for me because I'm only going to ride light dirt and mostly street. This is my first dual sport/dirt bike; so I know enough about dirt bike suspension to comment.
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labandit
05-18-2008, 06:34 AM
pretty interesting topic guys, i've been looking at these as a possible starter bike for a buddy of mine who can't spend more than 2k. it's that or a 15 yr old mainstream bike. tough choice.

Jack Giesecke
05-19-2008, 09:12 AM
Compare to my Nighthawk, the Hi-Bird's fit and finish just doesn't compare. I had expected this because the Honda costs three times as much. The important thing for me is the engine and transmission. The Lifan engines are suppose to be bullet proof, and the Hi-Bird is based on the Lifan. The frame doesn't seem as stout as it should be, but this is a nonissue for me because I'm only going to ride light dirt and mostly street. This is my first dual sport/dirt bike; so I know enough about dirt bike suspension to comment.

Yeah, the engine on the Diamo way out shines the chassis. The small problems I've had were with wiring and chassis. The motor get's no love and just keeps on, reminiscent of an XR Honda.

A few days ago it had a problem. I motored away from a stop and it hit neutral. I shifted to no avail. Suspecting the 428 chain, got off, no, it's still there. The bolts holding the rear sprocked sheered. :lol2: I was almost home, so just pushed it the rest of the way. I need to pull the rear sprocket and get the bolts out and go to Fastenal and buy some higher grade bolts. These ones are bigger diameter than an XL175 because I had to drill out the holes in that Honda rear sprocket to fit it. But, Honda uses higher grade bolts I'm sure. These just couldn't handle the massive torque and 15 horsepower of that throbbin' thumper. :rolleyes: :rofl: They went four years before giving up. I think drilling out that Honda sprocket to just a little larger than the bolts might have helped do 'em in, though, not sure, but there's just a wee little slop, the bolts don't fit tight through the sprocket holes which would allow the sprocket to slam the bolts on deceleration. Not sure that has anything to do with it. Pretty sure the bolts are just cheap grade.

You have to expect little problems like that from time to time so I don't know if I'd really wanna recommend a Chinese bike as primary transport or for someone not so mechanically inclined, but for what I use mine for, it has been quite reliable and, lets face it, I ain't gonna be that far from home on it if and when it does have a problem. :lol2: I've slowly made right the few things that were short on quality with the chassis over time, too. The sprocket bolts will be another upgrade. Some of the guys on the chinariders.net site upgrade to a 520 chain. I've not done that, yet, just figured a DID 428, decent quality, will handle the massive output of that raging thumper. :lol2:

beardking
05-19-2008, 10:48 AM
I asked this in the other China bike thread, but I was wondering if anyone has any good experiences with the Lifan (or other brand) atv's. The 200cc or so versions. If I can swing it, I'd like to get a couple of those to enjoy up in Broken Bow on the weekends.

vincois
06-09-2008, 09:39 AM
This is the noob rider posting. I am looking at picking up the Lifan this week. I sent an email to Lifan and they pointed me to a place in Sunnyvale, Tx called Awesome Offroaders. They seem to have a good price on there site. The fun part is going to be getting the new sprockets. I prefer going to a store and get them but I see some good deals online and I hate waiting for parts. My plan at this point is to get the bike, put it together, go to a parking lot somewhere and get used to just riding and shifting. Last time I road any kind of motorcycle I was 10 or so. Then I will do the course and get legal. I have been reading the great comments in the 2 posts here and on chinariders.net. So I will be following the prep recommendation there as well as replacing the tubes. Building the bike should be the easy part for me. I do all my own work on my Jeep. The crazy part is going to be getting all the necessary items like a helmet and riding gear. :rider:

BigT
06-11-2008, 12:06 PM
Sounds like you're approaching this the right way vincois. You've done your research and as long as you follow the prep recommendations on the chinariders forum you should be OK. The bikes are hella fun to ride and should be fine for around town riding. Don't expect to be able to jump on the interstate with them, but around town they are a blast. I've got a Roketa and found out about the prep recommendations the hard way (before I found the chinariders forum). I don't ride mine every day now, but I did for about 6 or 7 months until I found a deal on a Vulcan 750 that I couldn't pass up. I still ride it from time to time just becaus of the "fun factor"....and some of the looks I get when people see a 250lb guy on a 200cc bike. :shock:

Browse the for sale section here, the pay it forward section here, craigslist and even ebay for some good deals on decent gear. Keep us posted on your progress and post some pics of your bike when you pick it up, it's like porn for the motorcycle rider. :mrgreen:

And just because, here's a shot of my little china bike.
http://i269.photobucket.com/albums/jj74/BigT1973/bike01.jpg

srreynolds2003
06-11-2008, 12:35 PM
And just because, here's a shot of my little china bike.
http://i269.photobucket.com/albums/jj74/BigT1973/bike01.jpg


WOW look at it shine....
Here's a pic of my 2005 Sierra (china bike)
http://i189.photobucket.com/albums/z102/srreynolds2003/200CC/P5300406.jpg

BigT
06-11-2008, 01:01 PM
WOW look at it shine....


That was right after a good bath. :mrgreen:

srreynolds2003
06-11-2008, 02:55 PM
I like it....It's a good color..

vincois
06-11-2008, 04:54 PM
Ok, well it seems the Lifan's are going like hotcakes. I put some money down to hold one when the dealer receives some, which should be Friday. I will be getting a blue one. Also, if you wanted to get one it looks like the prices have gone up a bit as of June 1 because of the earthquake. it will be about $1600.00 I don't recall the exact price atm. The nice gentleman at the dealer is a former Mesquite police officer and he was saying that the Lifans on stock sprockets are getting into the 70mph range. He knows of one guy that got a ticket doing 81 but he is a 160lb rider. He also hasn't seen any tube failures on the Lifan bikes. He also stated that the factory oil would be fine for the break-in period and is a lite oil not syrup. I was going to get it in crate form and save the $150.00 for him to assemble. But he seems to know his stuff and might just let them go ahead and prep the bike. All in all I am a tinge nervous about this whole motorcycle thing. Just want to be safe and do this right. If this works out like I think the enduro may replace the Jeep entirely. I use my truck to haul the kayaks so my jeep has always been my toy. Enough blab. peace:zen:

DFW_Warrior
06-11-2008, 09:01 PM
Ok, well it seems the Lifan's are going like hotcakes. I put some money down to hold one when the dealer receives some, which should be Friday. I will be getting a blue one. Also, if you wanted to get one it looks like the prices have gone up a bit as of June 1 because of the earthquake. it will be about $1600.00 I don't recall the exact price atm. The nice gentleman at the dealer is a former Mesquite police officer and he was saying that the Lifans on stock sprockets are getting into the 70mph range. He knows of one guy that got a ticket doing 81 but he is a 160lb rider. He also hasn't seen any tube failures on the Lifan bikes. He also stated that the factory oil would be fine for the break-in period and is a lite oil not syrup. I was going to get it in crate form and save the $150.00 for him to assemble. But he seems to know his stuff and might just let them go ahead and prep the bike. All in all I am a tinge nervous about this whole motorcycle thing. Just want to be safe and do this right. If this works out like I think the enduro may replace the Jeep entirely. I use my truck to haul the kayaks so my jeep has always been my toy. Enough blab. peace:zen:

Sweet deal!! Congrats on the almost purchase. I'd still for peace of mind change the oil first thing. It's cheap and super easy to do. Heck, just go down to autozone and get a gallon of Rotella T syn and you'll be good for quite a while. That is hands down the best oil for the money (dang it, no oil debates please....) LOL.

I can't wait to see it in person Vince!

DFW_Warrior
06-11-2008, 09:03 PM
Steven, is that a stock fuel tank on your SR200? If so or if not, how much fuel does it hold. It looks to be a fairly sizable tank if the wings are actually used to hold fuel.

squire
06-11-2008, 09:33 PM
I have an American Lifan 200GY-5. Only had it a month and so far am very impressed with the value of the bike.

Squire, http://lifanlf200gy-5.blogspot.com/