2006 Arizona DS adventure!

[gotdurt]

I am considering putting together a 5 or 6 day dual-sport tour through Arizona's spectacular back country. I'm aiming for late April or early May of 2006. The ride will probably be executed as a BMT tour and likely be around 1000 miles with 70-80% dirt. In order to design the route and sights, I need to first find out if there is enough interest to even bother, and if so, get some feedback from the potential participants. I would like to make this a ride for all levels, with a co-leader (probably Scott) to lead the alternate routes around the more difficult trails. I would like to make it a 5 night trip (in Arizona, not including travel to/from); 3 nights camping and 2 nights in motels/ lodges. There will be a limit on the number of participants, and pricing has not yet been determined. It will require a dual-sport or adventure-touring bike in good repair, with a ground clearance absolute minimum of 6" (Vstrom, suspension fully extended, sans rider and gear).

So, you may ask, "Casey, what makes you qualified to lead a DS tour on the remote backroads and trails of such a rugged state?" Well, I spent 3 years exploring the state on my 2.5 day weekends by dirt bike, 4WD, mountain bike, foot, etc. My interest in geology, mines, ghost towns and indian ruins has lead me to some unique, remote, and rarely visited places. I didn't have a GPS for most of that time, just some topo maps and a gifted sense of direction, so I now the routes well. This isn't a tour to just go see the usual touristy stuff and ride the smoothest, most popular roads; I have things, places and breathtaking scenery to show you, not to mention some really fun riding. If you've explored every square mile, high and low elevations, of Big Bend, then you've only had a faint taste of Arizona.

**If you think you may be interested in this tour, please answer a few questions.**

1) On a scale of 1 to 5, I would rate my interest in old west history and rarely visited historical sites as ___.

2) On a scale of 1 to 5, I would rate my interest in native american history and very rarely visited archeological sites as ___.

3) On a scale of 1 to 5, I would rate my adventurous spirit as ___.

4) On a scale of 1 to 5, I would rate my of-pavement skill level as ___.

5) On my adventure rides I am more interested in
a)Seeing the sights and taking side trips to unique places, maybe even make some short hikes.
b)occassional stops for convenient sights and those that can be seen from the saddle.
c)the road/trail itself, the scenery around me is secondary.
d)covering miles and getting from point 'a' to point 'b' as quickly as possible.
e)Open throttle, butt-puckering fun; the fewer wheels touching the ground the better.

6) My idea of an adventure route is
a)Staying on the main, well maintained and travelled routes with someone who's traveled them on a regular basis.
b)Staying mostly on the main, well maintained and travled routes, with some short, slightly more challenging side trips to more remote areas with someone who knows them well.
c)Staying as far away from civilization as possible, as often as possible, on reasonably good roads and a guide who's been there at least once or twice.
d)"c", with maybe some "mystery routes" mixed in, as long as we know they work and will be interesting.
e)dude, lets just pick the roads and trails as we go!
f)anywhere there are no roads or trails....

7) At the end of the day on an adventure ride I want to
a)stay at one of my favorite hotel chains.
c)stay pretty much anywhere as long as they have heat/AC and a shower.
d)camp in really cool places with a fire and a few good folks, just need a shower every couple of days.
e)bathe in freezing snow run-off creeks and camp under the stars. Showers are for wusses.
f)park the bike wherever I stop, lay down next to it and go to sleep with my arm affectionately through the spokes.

If I get a decent response, I'll post a web page with a better trip description and some pictures, once I have a better Idea of where I'll take you. Any other questions, comments or suggestions are welcome.

[Texian]

Assuming a moderately packed GS would be acceptable...


If you think you may be interested in this tour, please answer a few questions.

1) On a scale of 1 to 5, I would rate my interest in old west history and rarely visited historical sites as =3

2) On a scale of 1 to 5, I would rate my interest in native american history and very rarely visited archeological sites as =2

3) On a scale of 1 to 5, I would rate my adventurous spirit as =5

4) On a scale of 1 to 5, I would rate my of-pavement skill level as =2.5 ;)

5) On my adventure rides I am more interested in
a)Seeing the sights and taking side trips to unique places, maybe even make some short hikes.


6) My idea of an adventure route is
d)"c", with maybe some "mystery routes" mixed in, as long as we know they work and will be interesting.


7) At the end of the day on an adventure ride I want to
e)bathe in freezing snow run-off creeks and camp under the stars. Showers are for wusses.

[gotdurt]

Assuming a moderately packed GS would be acceptable...

No problem. I'll be tailoring the ride to the bikes attending, but the GS can pass the most difficult trails that I have in mind for this ride. It may be a challenge in some places, but we can get it through. You will have the option to go around these routes If you'd like, and the alternates will be good routes too.

[Hoop]

Very interested, but timing may not work in May. Later would be better for me. I'm planning on a Big Bend DRZ trip in mid-April, and I need to space the away time out a little bit more to stay out of the doghouse. Does the weather preclude doing it later? I might be interested in buying your routesheets and maybe doing it myself later in the summer or fall.

Dumb questions:
What is a "BMT" tour?

I don't know the laws in Arizona, do you need a license plate to do this ride? If so, that would prevent some of my local dirt riding buddies from coming along.

Are we talking about carrying camping gear on the bikes? That would probably mean taking the V-Strom instead of the DRZ, and I'm not convinced I want to do really nasty stuff on the V-Strom. I'm still in the stage where I am trying to avoid that first scratch.

What part of Arizona would we start from? Would like to figure out how long a drive I'd have. If I took the V-Strom, might be 2 days just to get there?

[ChubbyDodds]

My 2 cents. Worth every penny I'm sure!! I'd be on a KLR 650.


If you think you may be interested in this tour, please answer a few questions.

1) On a scale of 1 to 5, I would rate my interest in old west history and rarely visited historical sites as _4__.

2) On a scale of 1 to 5, I would rate my interest in native american history and very rarely visited archeological sites as _4__.

3) On a scale of 1 to 5, I would rate my adventurous spirit as _5__.

4) On a scale of 1 to 5, I would rate my of-pavement skill level as __3_.

5) On my adventure rides I am more interested in
a)Seeing the sights and taking side trips to unique places, maybe even make some short hikes.

6) My idea of an adventure route is
d)"c", with maybe some "mystery routes" mixed in, as long as we know they work and will be interesting.

7) At the end of the day on an adventure ride I want to
d)camp in really cool places with a fire and a few good folks, just need a shower every couple of days.


Mark

[RockmanTex]

Count me and my XR650R as a go.
Steve

[gotdurt]

Very interested, but timing may not work in May. Later would be better for me. I'm planning on a Big Bend DRZ trip in mid-April, and I need to space the away time out a little bit more to stay out of the doghouse. Does the weather preclude doing it later? I might be interested in buying your routesheets and maybe doing it myself later in the summer or fall.
You did see "2006", right? Moving it to late may will get us into the heat, it usually reaches 100 by then in the lower desert (where we'll be a good portion of the trip). The 90's aren't bad though (dry heat ;-) ). I'll watch it closely this spring and see how it goes, cool thing about AZ desert weather is that it's very predictable :lol: .

Dumb questions:
What is a "BMT" tour?
"Backroad Motorcycle Tours", Scott's (Tourmiester) touring co.


I don't know the laws in Arizona, do you need a license plate to do this ride? If so, that would prevent some of my local dirt riding buddies from coming along.
Yes, but their definition of "legal" is very, very relaxed. You can actually license a quad. They could legalize them by Texas laws (which really aren't that bad), then strip them back down to their desired specs.

Are we talking about carrying camping gear on the bikes? That would probably mean taking the V-Strom instead of the DRZ, and I'm not convinced I want to do really nasty stuff on the V-Strom. I'm still in the stage where I am trying to avoid that first scratch.
Camping gear, yes, but if you are creative you'd be amazed at what you can pack on a dirt bike. In these pics, the bikes are packed for a week, on my bike you can see the sleeping bag, tent, tools a tripod, gas can and a few other items, clothes were in a back pack. We were packed for speed, mass and weight, for this trip I'll be a bit more liberal.
http://www.clfry.com/images/adventure/pdc_0456.jpg
http://www.clfry.com/images/adventure/pdc_0467.jpg
The Vstrom won't be a problem on most of the routes, but you'll want to take the alt routes for a couple, otherwise it will definitley get dents and scratches and maybe a leaky fork seal... :twisted: I would be worried about the low header pipe on the more difficult of the trails.

What part of Arizona would we start from? Would like to figure out how long a drive I'd have. If I took the V-Strom, might be 2 days just to get there?
probably in the SW corner of the state, near the Chiricahua Mts. 2 days is no problem getting there, I think around 700+/- miles.

[gotdurt]

I'd be on a KLR 650.
The ideal bike for the trip I have in mind (any route).

[ChubbyDodds]

I'd be on a KLR 650.
The ideal bike for the trip I have in mind (any route).

Awesome! This is looking to be a great time for all!!

[Adan]

Interested, I'll I'll know a few weeks prior.

'cause of work :roll:

Sounds good, specially since I can trailer to El Paso, visit the folks, drop-off wife/child there and ride the rest of the way.

[Hoop]

You did see "2006", right?
DOH!

OK, count me in, probably ride the DRZ. Unless, of course, I have a new ride by NEXT YEAR. Man, that's a long way off. How can you do this to me? Now I have to live with the anticipation for a whole YEAR? So, uh, how about this Fall instead of next spring?

You know, if you bump this post every now and then, by May 2006, you may have a whole bunch of people along on this ride. I planned a Cloudcroft trip about 9 months in advance once, and had 20 people show up.

[gotdurt]

OK, count me in, probably ride the DRZ. Unless, of course, I have a new ride by NEXT YEAR. Man, that's a long way off. How can you do this to me? Now I have to live with the anticipation for a whole YEAR? So, uh, how about this Fall instead of next spring?
I wanted to do it this fall, but Scott already had some rides around the ideal times. It's okay with me though, that'll give me time to aquire DS bike :roll:

You know, if you bump this post every now and then, by May 2006, you may have a whole bunch of people along on this ride. I planned a Cloudcroft trip about 9 months in advance once, and had 20 people show up.
Actually, due to the nature of the ride and terrain and the sensitivity of the places we'll visit, we'll probably limit the ride to the first 10 or 15 to sign up.

[XR650Rocketman]

We've done two Arizona D/S Rides.....Last Thanksgiving we rode from Scottsdale to Prescott and back....Almost all dirt....Except for the snow and ice....It's really nice to be able to ride somewhere with public lands...Count me in for any trips to AZ....Don't forget to limit the number of riders so that permits are not needed in many of the areas.

[gotdurt]

We've done two Arizona D/S Rides.....Last Thanksgiving we rode from Scottsdale to Prescott and back....Almost all dirt....Except for the snow and ice....It's really nice to be able to ride somewhere with public lands...Count me in for any trips to AZ....Don't forget to limit the number of riders so that permits are not needed in many of the areas.
There will likely be 2 options between Prescott and Care Free (north of Scottsdale). There are many great possibilities there.

As far a permits go, there are several reasons I'm limiting the group size, one of them being for state trust land group permits. A permit is required for access regardless the size of the group, and is limited to 20. The NF and BLM lands don't require any permits where we will be going. We will avoid the indian reservation lands for red tape reasons.

Also, Steve, Steve, and Hoop, if you get a chance, don't forget to answer the questions at the top, that will help me choose the routes to better suit those potentially attending.

[XR650Rocketman]

OK....You passed the test....Nice to find someone who knows what they are doing!!! I doubt they'll be any problem filling up an AZ ride this far in advance....I've got two riders in Albequerque who will be "all over this one" and I'm sure at least two or three of our Austin area group will want in.

Sounds like Hoop is interested also.

Work it up....And put us all down for the " More dirt the merrier " course.

[Hoop]

1) 4
2) 4. Been to Chaco Canyon, Mesa Verde, Canyon de Chelly, Taos Pueblo
3) 4 - but adventure doesn't mean death-defying.
4) 3 or 4 - I can handle whatever comes, just not with as much speed as some guys can. I've found a few trails in Colorado that I probably wouldn't voluntarily ride again, but they are the exception.
5) a or b, not too much hiking in riding boots. And after a while, you've seen one ruined ore mill, you've seen them all. Variety is the key.
6) c, d, e, or f, I'm flexible. I don't mind a few dead ends, that's part of adventure riding.
7) I would prefer c, but can live with d.

[RockmanTex]

1) 4
2) 3
3) 5
4) 3
5) b
6) d
7) d

Steve :angryfir:

[STrider]

1) _3__.
2) _2_.
3) _5__
4) 3-4. not always quick but generally able to get over/around. (no mx stuff tho)

5) On my adventure rides I am more interested in
a)Seeing the sights and taking side trips to unique places, maybe even make some short hikes.
c)the road/trail itself, the scenery around me is secondary.
e)Open throttle, butt-puckering fun; the fewer wheels touching the ground the better.

6) My idea of an adventure route is
e)dude, lets just pick the roads and trails as we go!
f)anywhere there are no roads or trails....

7) At the end of the day on an adventure ride I want to
d)camp in really cool places with a fire and a few good folks, just need a shower every couple of days.

My only potential snag is current lack of DS mount, that condition may be rectified by ride time. If not, have a good time.

[Tx Rider]

1) On a scale of 1 to 5, I would rate my interest in old west history and rarely visited historical sites as __4_.

2) On a scale of 1 to 5, I would rate my interest in native american history and very rarely visited archeological sites as __4_.

3) On a scale of 1 to 5, I would rate my adventurous spirit as __4_.

4) On a scale of 1 to 5, I would rate my of-pavement skill level as __3_. I'll do any trail, just not on one wheel or smokin fast. :)

5) On my adventure rides I am more interested in
a)Seeing the sights and taking side trips to unique places, maybe even make some short hikes.
A short hike for a break is always good, especially with something neat to see.

6) My idea of an adventure route is
e)dude, lets just pick the roads and trails as we go!


7) At the end of the day on an adventure ride I want to
e)bathe in freezing snow run-off creeks and camp under the stars. Showers are for wusses.

The real answer is eat :) I wouldn't pass on a shower every couple days if it presented itself though.

I think you'll get more response than you thought you would. :)

So this is southern to northern Arizona?

Man every time I go there I'm scanning the horizon from the car watching myself riding out there. Got a few folk I know in Prescott I could stop and say hi to as well.

I'll either be KTM or KLR by then, I got out and worked on the KTM a little this weekend I think I'll have it up and running in a couple weekends.

[gotdurt]

I think you'll get more response than you thought you would. :)
Glad to see you pop in Dyna, I was wandering if I'd see you here. I've already have a better response than I thought I would. Looks like it might be a race for the limited number of spots for you guys :lol: I also have a couple of friends that are interested.

So this is southern to northern Arizona?
Well, sort of. In Arizonan terms, yes. They consider Flagstaff "northern", even though it's really more central. I considered putting the Grand Canyon in the route, but just can't work it in time-wise. Besides, the point of this tour is to provide you the opportunity see some things that you wouldn't get to see on any given trip to Arizona. The GC is another trip in itself anyway.

Man every time I go there I'm scanning the horizon from the car watching myself riding out there. Got a few folk I know in Prescott I could stop and say hi to as well.
Prescott is currently in the route, so time permitting, you might get to.

I'll either be KTM or KLR by then, I got out and worked on the KTM a little this weekend I think I'll have it up and running in a couple weekends. Of course the KTM will be the most capable mount, if you can create a way to pack it. The only concern I would have is dependibility, since it's been sitting for so long. Some of these routes will be very backcountry and rugged, if you have a mechanical there's a problem, especially if you need parts for a KTM (although I do know a great dealer in Mesa). A KLR will still be up to the task of any of these routes, and has lots of packing options. If you choose the KTM, I'd put some miles on it before hand and try to get any potential bugs to raise their heads (not that I need to tell you this, mainly just in case there are others in similar situations, dual sports tend to sit ;-) )

[XR650Rocketman]

**If you think you may be interested in this tour, please answer a few questions.**

1) On a scale of 1 to 5, I would rate my interest in old west history and rarely visited historical sites as.....3.

2) On a scale of 1 to 5, I would rate my interest in native american history and very rarely visited archeological sites as .....3.

3) On a scale of 1 to 5, I would rate my adventurous spirit as ....5.

4) On a scale of 1 to 5, I would rate my off-pavement skill level as ....5.

5) On my adventure rides I am more interested in
b)occassional stops for convenient sights and those that can be seen from the saddle.

6) My idea of an adventure route is

d)"c", with maybe some "mystery routes" mixed in, as long as we know they work and will be interesting.

7) At the end of the day on an adventure ride I want to

c)stay pretty much anywhere as long as they have heat/AC and a shower.

[Tx Rider]

Of course the KTM will be the most capable mount, if you can create a way to pack it.

We'll see, I've seen some rigs for it and I can always rig something but I still have to make up my mind to keep it or not first.

The only concern I would have is dependibility, since it's been sitting for so long. Some of these routes will be very backcountry and rugged, if you have a mechanical there's a problem, especially if you need parts for a KTM (although I do know a great dealer in Mesa). A KLR will still be up to the task of any of these routes, and has lots of packing options. If you choose the KTM, I'd put some miles on it before hand and try to get any potential bugs to raise their heads (not that I need to tell you this, mainly just in case there are others in similar situations, dual sports tend to sit ;-) )

Ohh yeah, no way I'm going 1000 miles offroad if I have any doubts about the bike. It does bring up a question though, any bike can get broke, like a busted side cover from a fall etc. What plans do you have in mind for recovery of a downed bike?

I figure I'll get in some riding this summer, probably tow it down and chase Scott around the woods, and a run from Sabine Pass to Bolivar sound like a of fun. ;-) Then I'll decide whether to keep it or not.

The only thing that has ever broken on it is the lighting, I just let it sit with the gas on and it gummed up real bad and haven't taken time to do anything more than drain the tank on it, the carb is locked tight as I've ever seen one. I ganked the throttle trying to unstick it, and the rear brake light switch is out.

I've been thinking about a KLR mostly for my tush on long rides. That and cheaper maintenance/accessories.

[gotdurt]

Ohh yeah, no way I'm going 1000 miles offroad if I have any doubts about the bike. It does bring up a question though, any bike can get broke, like a busted side cover from a fall etc. What plans do you have in mind for recovery of a downed bike?
Scott and I are still discussing that. Here's what I would say as of now:

Ultimately, everyone is responsible for themselves and their own bike, however, I'll help find a tow vehicle in the nearest town/ community, it will be the owner's responsibilty from there. If we are on a road/trail that tow trucks won't travel, I'll help get it to a road that they will travel. There will be 2 leaders, one helps, the other continues. A mechanical failure /damage of this nature is very unlikely; of all the rides I've done, solo and group, I have never seen a bike break to the point that it couldn't be ridden to the nearest road, if not the nearest town (except when I broke my wrist, but we won't be riding like that ;-)), but, that doesn't mean it won't happen. Also, most of the rides I've done in the past were fast and aggressive, this ride WILL NOT BE. The best way to avoid it is to ride responsibly, if you have any doubts about a trail section or an obstacle, don't do it, ask for help. There's no reason to take a chance when a bike can be walked or carried through.

Now, that said, there is a possibility, that I will have support and/ or recovery vehicle on call. I have a friend in Phoenix that might do it based on whether he can get the time off. Again, stressed, possibility.... Still, Shawn would probably be glad to help regardless if and when we really need it (not to put words in your mouth Shawn ;-)).

By the time of the ride, there will be a plan in place, but again, the rider's bike and personal well-being are their own responsibility. I will physically (not financially) aid in the initial recovery of the rider and/ or their bike, but it will be thier responsibility to get treatment (for body and bike) and get themselves home. Anything I've said on this post could change, and yields to the policies of BMT. Any additional thoughts/comments Scott?

[Tourmeister]

There's no reason to take a chance when a bike can be walked or carried through.

:tab I won't be helping to carry any bikes like mine... :shock: I'd be willing to help push though ;-)

:tab Regarding disabled riders or bikes... Because of the remoteness of the areas where we will be riding, cell phones will obviously be worthless. I don't have the $$ for a satellite phone. So we will have to figure something out on the spot, ie; improvise. As Casey said, we will make every effort to see that an injured rider is transported as far as needed to get treatment, at that rider's cost if expenses are inccured. The same holds for the bike.

:tab Ideally, such an event would not be a trip ending event for the remaining riders. I have a feeling that most of us will be trailering out there, so it is likely that the only serious issue will be getting the bike back to the trailers or someone going after the trailer to bring it to the bike. Casey and I will be leading the rides, so hopefully, one of us can take care of the disabled rider/bike while the others continue on at their discretion. Personally, I have a hard time leaving riders behind until I know they are taken care of, even if I am not the ride leader.

:tab It would be cool if some jeepers made the trip with us ;-) They could carry extra fuel, spares, food, gear, etc,... Anyone...? Anyone...?

Adios,

[gotdurt]

Casey and I will be leading the rides, so hopefully, one of us can take care of the disabled rider/bike while the others continue on at their discretion. Personally, I have a hard time leaving riders behind until I know they are taken care of, even if I am not the ride leader.
This is why we are still discussing it ;-) . The reason I say Scott continues is that He can just lead the tour on the main route using GPS. I know the area, so it would likely be more efficient for me to stay behind, and/ or go for help. Also, once the injured bike/person are on their way, I can make haste to catch up :twisted: , I know the short-cuts :mrgreen: . It is likely that I'll be waiting for the group at the day-end destination :roll: . Also, should it take more than a day, I can claculate the progress of the group, and know approximately where to intercept it, and the shortest way to get there. Unlike Texas, due to the terrain, Arizona has very few direct routes, especially ones that will show on a map. If it is serious enough that Scott and I both should stay behind, one of us can appoint a temporary leader, and provide them with a GPS with the route info.

We could just use a stock 4x4 pick-up or SUV, they would not have to keep up, just meet a certain check points and over-night areas. Such a truck will be able to travel the main route without a problem. This is basically what I had in mind for Shawn, he'd just meet us at the day-end destinations, and be available should trouble arise.

[Tx Rider]

Well if I go I'll be towing a light 3 rail dirt bike trailer with a 4x4 Toyota 4-runner.

All I would be concerned with was getting to my truck probably.

[Wasabi]

This really looks like a well planned adventure. I am in if you have an opening.

1) On a scale of 1 to 5, I would rate my interest in old west history and rarely visited historical sites as.....3.

2) On a scale of 1 to 5, I would rate my interest in native american history and very rarely visited archeological sites as .....3.

3) On a scale of 1 to 5, I would rate my adventurous spirit as ....4.

4) On a scale of 1 to 5, I would rate my off-pavement skill level as ....3.
maybe I'll be a 4 by ride time

5) On my adventure rides I am more interested in
b)occassional stops for convenient sights and those that can be seen from the saddle.

6) My idea of an adventure route is

d)"c", with maybe some "mystery routes" mixed in, as long as we know they work and will be interesting.

7) At the end of the day on an adventure ride I want to

c)stay pretty much anywhere as long as they have heat/AC and a shower.

[Hoop]

:tab It would be cool if some jeepers made the trip with us ;-) They could carry extra fuel, spares, food, gear, etc,...

The TRH Terlingua ride I went on a couple of years ago used a jeep as a chase vehicle, at least on the morning portion of the ride. That was ok because I wasn't behind the jeep. Then my buddy's bike died, the jeep passed us while we were on the side of the road, and then once we got the bike running again, it took eating a TON of dust to get around the jeep.

I like jeeps because someday I might not be able to balance on 2 wheels, but until then, I don't really want to ride with them. Now, if they want to carry the food and camping gear, and not drive in front of me, I might be willing to pay money for that!

Sorry if this post didn't say much, but I figured this thread needed to be bumped again to annoy the street riders. :mrgreen:

[gotdurt]

:tab It would be cool if some jeepers made the trip with us ;-) They could carry extra fuel, spares, food, gear, etc,...

The TRH Terlingua ride I went on a couple of years ago used a jeep as a chase vehicle, at least on the morning portion of the ride. That was ok because I wasn't behind the jeep. Then my buddy's bike died, the jeep passed us while we were on the side of the road, and then once we got the bike running again, it took eating a TON of dust to get around the jeep.

I like jeeps because someday I might not be able to balance on 2 wheels, but until then, I don't really want to ride with them. Now, if they want to carry the food and camping gear, and not drive in front of me, I might be willing to pay money for that!

Sorry if this post didn't say much, but I figured this thread needed to be bumped again to annoy the street riders. :mrgreen:

I'm a 4-wheeler myself, but when I'm on a motorcycle adventure, I don't care to have a chase vehicle, it kind of takes the adventure out of it, and also slows you down greatly. If it were just me going, I wouldn't want one at all, it's like training wheels, or your mom following the bus to school... just kind of kills the adventure. I like planning the limited packing, getting by with the least possible, finding my own way out of what ever predicament comes my way; this is what makes an adventure. for my own adventures, I don't even navigate by GPS, I just use it as travel log, and to mark cool places that I find. I prefer to exercise my sense of direction and navigational intuition, and take any road that looks like it should go somewhere interesting.

This is a little different situation, I'll be leading a group that may have different idea of what an adventure is, and I want to look out for the best interest of the group and consider your comfort level as much as possible without ruining the adventurous feel. I also want to take little chance with the planned itinerary to make sure the trip is executed as efficiently as possible, but still in a somewhat adventurous manner.

So, if we are going to have a vehicle available to us, I'd like it to more of a 'support' vehicle than a 'chase' vehicle, that would be on call for emergencies and meet us at the evening destinations and maybe certain checkpoints along the way. I think we'd be fine without it, but if one is available to us, I wouldn't turn it down. It would also come in handy on one of the alternate routes, which has 2 deep water crossings, one of which can vary between 1' at normal depth to 3' after a typical storm (higher than the bumper on my 4x4 :twisted: ). It would be nice to have a vehicle that can break the water for us. Oh, and don't worry, I'll be using a GPS on this trip to keep us on schedule ;-)

[Tx Rider]

Well as of today my KTM is up and running again.

Looks like I may have an oil leak and possibly a coolant leak to fix, I'll look into those tomorrow but it sure was nice riding the thumper again today.

I have never in all my years working on engines seen a carb that gummed up. I have a 1/2 inch ball of tar like gum that just scraped out.

But now the carb is cleaner than it was when the dealer put it on. :)

Count me as go man, if you organize I'll be there.

Till then I need to get this thing out on some trails and see if I can make anything bad happen that's going to happen.

I've been itching to go ride in the Sam Houston forest ever since Scott started posting pics of it.

[gotdurt]

Just a bump for any newbs....

[Hood Ornament]

I'm pretty sure I can make this, but won't know for sure until Feb of '06 when dates for teh tournaments I go to will be posted.

1 - 4

2 - 4

3 - 5

4 - 3

5 - B

6 - D

[hardybaker]

I'm 95%in for the ride. Maybe trailer there to save the TKC 80's.( depends on what the group does.) Probablly leave the GS adv. at home and take the "tricked" Transalp.
Ratings:
1- 3
2-3
3-3
4-4
5-b
6-c
7-Camping or motels is fine with me. (I always bring ear plugs )
I am definately into motorcycle adv. and this sounds right up my alley. If someone wants to "pre-ride" the ride, give me a shout, as I'm available,(retired).That is, if I am not in Mexico. Hardy Baker Marquez, TX By the way, I can see that I need to visit this site more often if you guys get more into this kind opf riding. Keep up the good work, as It is greatly appericated.

[gotdurt]

Howdy Hardy!

First things first, go to the 'members gallery' and post some pics of the Transalp.... :-)

As far as what you take, I'm designing the route so that the big GS riders can go, so the Adv will be fine, although maybe a handfull on the alternate routes. Also, do remember you'll be haulin' your gear. Dependability and comfort are more important, but if the old Honda's up to it, it'll likely be more fun. My (actually Dad's now) NX650 will likely stay home...

So far it looks like most will trailer up, one to save tires, also to make accidents and mech issues (should there be any) a little less inconvenient....

As far as pre-riding goes, there probably won't be one, for many reasons. Mainly because of time.Scott and I only get so much time off, so we'll be doing good just to make this happen. I get 2 weeks of vacation; one for the family, one for me... I know most of the routes well, and any that portions that are questionable will be explored by a friend back home, er, in AZ. Another problem with pre-riding is that there will likely be some last minute changes in routes due to weather and/ or road/ forest closures (these things are unpredictable) as a result of snow, fire hazards, etc. Late April/early May are funny that way. To keep us safe on the time/mileage side, I'm trying to keep it to less than 250 mi days. Plus, this makes it more of an adventure, a few surprises adds a little spice.... :roll: If it were just me, it would all be one big surprise :mrgreen:

[Tx Rider]

So is white rim or monument basin along this route?

[gotdurt]

So is white rim or monument basin along this route?
:scratch I'm not real sure where your talking about , but If you mean the "White mountains" and/ or "Mogollon rim" then that's confidential proprietary information :mrgreen: . There is a "White Rim Trail" in Utah...

If by "monument basin" you mean "Monument Valley", then no, because that's indian res land; too much red tape involved and too far north to fit it in anyway. Maybe we can do a later trip to include the Monument Valley area and the north rim of the Grand Canyon; there's a week right there...

[WoodButcher]

He may be talking about this: http://www.advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=77360 Check out the switchbacks on some of the later pages.

[gotdurt]

He may be talking about this: http://www.advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=77360 Check out the switchbacks on some of the later pages.
Nope, I think he failed to mention that he was in Utah (on the second part of the thread), on the "White Rim Trail" I spoke of earlier; Canyonlands National Park.

I plead the 5th on the Arizona portion of his travels..... :roll: I have no idea where he went ;-)

[Tx Rider]

Utah eh? Yet another place I must ride in..

[gotdurt]

Utah eh? Yet another place I must ride in..
Yes, most definitely.

[Tourmeister]

:tab John, really... unless you retire soon and start doing nothing but riding everyday, you will never even scratch the surface of the great places out there to see and ride. It is frustrating that the more you ride and tour, the more you realize that there is so much more you will never have time to get to... Humans live such pathetically short lives... No time to get things done!

:tab Southern Utah is awesome by the way :dude:

Adios,

[Tx Rider]

:tab John, really... unless you retire soon and start doing nothing but riding everyday....
Adios,

Sounds like a good idea to me. :)

Besides, you gotta start somewhere if your even gonna make a dent.

[gotdurt]

I found a shortened version (11 min vs 30 min) of a movie I made of my time in AZ. It has some of the places we'll visit on the tour, as well as some general adventure clips, mountain biking, motorcycle (crash), and 4x4. There are some ghost towns, mines and indiun ruins. Note that there is a water crossing that some will cross, should they opt for that route.... There is also some family stuff, and stuff that you won't get without me explaining, sorry about that. When I put together the web page for the tour, I'm going to make an adventure version; cut out the "stuff" and add some more adventure.

(EDIT 11/05/05) go here (http://www.clfry.com/video.html) , it's the firt video in the list.
Fair warning, it's big (about 118 MB). "Save target as"...

[Tx Rider]

Nice video. That arm looked nasty though.

Arizona looks like some nice riding.

[Blue]

Wow, I can't believe I missed this thread, I'm definetely interested. I would answer 3-4 on the questions and camping/lodging doesnt matter. At the moment i have a '03 KTM 625 SXC tagged and licensed.

[dower]

<<BUMP>>

Just want to keep this fresh on everyone's mind. :-D

:chug:

[gotdurt]

Well, I've been watching the weather over there, and I think I'm going to aim for early May (like Sat April 29 - Sun May7). Might be kind of warm in the lower areas (90's), but it's pretty safe that there won't be any snow closures in the mountains. Over nights should be comfortable in the desert, but chilly in the moutains, so plan accordingly.

For those that aren't familiar with the southwestern climate, the 90's are really very comfortable... in the shade. Problem is, there isn't a lot of shade where it's warm, or on the road. I'll be leaving dark clothing at home ;-) .

In the higher elevations we'll see highs in the 70's, maybe some areas in the 60's, overnight lows in the high 30's to low 50's. In the high elev's lower temps are much more comfy than what we experience here. I never had a problem camping even in higher freezing temps without a heat source.

[gotdurt]

I got a bike! Time to get serious now....

[gotdurt]

Okay, I think I have the route whittled down, It will be about 1100 miles over 5 days. Mileage as follows are rough approximations, and % dirt is assuming they haven't paved anything in the last 2 years:

Day 1, Mon - Hardest day, 250 miles about 80% dirt, some slightly technical (no alternate route). Camp.

Day 2, Tues - 200 miles, 80% dirt. Hotel.

Day 3, Wed - 200 miles, 80% dirt. Camp.

Day 4, Thurs - 200 miles, dirt/ pavement ratio depends on route you choose:twisted:. Hotel.

Day 5, Fri - 300 miles, 50% dirt. Sleep where you want (we should be back at the trucks).

As stated earlier, I'm planning for the first week in May (Sat April 29 - Sun May7)

[gotdurt]

Budump-bump... Keeping it fresh for the new folks, and reminding the rest to keep the dates open...

[Texian]

Casey-
Have you gotten a more solid idea for the dates yet?...than the ~4wk span you initially mentioned?

(I apoligize if you mentioned it somewhere in the thread, it's getting quite lengthy)

[gotdurt]

Casey-
Have you gotten a more solid idea for the dates yet?...than the ~4wk span you initially mentioned?

Yep...
Okay, I think I have the route whittled down, It will be about 1100 miles over 5 days. Mileage as follows are rough approximations, and % dirt is assuming they haven't paved anything in the last 2 years:

Day 1, Mon - Hardest day, 250 miles about 80% dirt, some slightly technical (no alternate route). Camp.

Day 2, Tues - 200 miles, 80% dirt. Hotel.

Day 3, Wed - 200 miles, 80% dirt. Camp.

Day 4, Thurs - 200 miles, dirt/ pavement ratio depends on route you choose:twisted:. Hotel.

Day 5, Fri - 300 miles, 50% dirt. Sleep where you want (we should be back at the trucks).

As stated earlier, I'm planning for the first week in May (Sat April 29 - Sun May7)


(I apoligize if you mentioned it somewhere in the thread, it's getting quite lengthy)

I Agree, maybe I can get Scott to go back and (or let me) delete the 'bumps' and such. Won't do a lot, but will help. Otherwise, there's a lot of good info in these 6 pages.

[gotdurt]

Okay, Scott had a better idea, I'll start a new thread with FAQs etc. Might wait untill there's a price set though.

Also, I got the video re-posted:
I found a shortened version (11 min vs 30 min) of a movie I made of my time in AZ. It has some of the places we'll visit on the tour, as well as some general adventure clips, mountain biking, motorcycle (crash), and 4x4. There are some ghost towns, mines and indiun ruins. Note that there is a water crossing that some will cross, should they opt for that route.... There is also some family stuff, and stuff that you won't get without me explaining, sorry about that. When I put together the web page for the tour, I'm going to make an adventure version; cut out the "stuff" and add some more adventure.

(EDIT 11/05/05) go here (http://www.clfry.com/video.html) , it's the firt video in the list.
Fair warning, it's big (about 118 MB). "Save target as"...

[gotdurt]

Okay, apparently my web host doesn't want my video on their server :angryfire , so here's my solution:Google Video (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6776927968502399315&q=%22AZ+short+video%22+playable%3Atrue)

[gotdurt]

Well, I've been giving this whole trip a bit of thought, and the more I schedule and micro-organize it, the more I realize this is becoming far from what I originally envisioned. I just can't get excited about having to stick to a specific route and schedule, with hotel reservations etc... At this point it isn't an adventure; it's more like a tour for my grandparents (except with cool motorcycles and terrain in some places they couldn't even walk on). I really don't want to worry about whether or not we make it to a particular town for lunch, or even make it to that town at all... I don't mind if some folks want to stay in hotels (I might even do it myself if it's convenient), I just don't want to rush the ride to make sure we make our reservations. Plus, despite what I envisioned, it could be difficult anyway, given the nature of the route. If this were a hwy trip with few stops, I wouldn't be concerned; it would be easy to stay on schedule. But on this trip, you never know what issues you'll encounter, such as weather (obviously affects dirt roads and Jeep trails much more than pavement), road/trail/forest closures (very unpredictable, especially during wildfire season), etc. Mix that with some adventurous spirits, and you have a recipe for a schedule-holding disaster.

So, I guess what I'm getting at is, for those that were serious about going, how would you feel about having a more flexible base schedule (as posted previously), with more tentative destinations? If we make it to a town with hotels/lodging that night, you're welcome to them; otherwise, we'll be breaking out the camping gear. On the current itinerary, there are only 2 real possibilities hotels, both on or near I-17, so vacancy shouldn’t be a problem (Phoenix metro does have a few hotels ;-) ); if it is, you’ll still have your camping gear. The only real problem I see with this is meals; while I don't have a problem with beef jerky and granola bars at the end (or beginning or middle for that matter) of the day, I know many will. Even holding to a tight schedule, it will be near impossible to have a warm meal more than once a day, unless it's waiting for us in an ice chest to be cooked over a campfire. Since my friend Shawn moved to NM, that probably won't happen. I have another friend that may be able to do it a couple of times, but it all depends on work, as he run's his own business in Phoenix; I don't want to depend on that.

Thoughts?

[disbanded]

That sounds like a good plan to me, you sorry son of a gun. I like the idea of roughing it. It makes me more of a man.

[gotdurt]

That sounds like a good plan to me, you sorry son of a gun. I like the idea of roughing it. It makes me more of a man.
You need all the help you can get....

You're kind isn't invited anyway, besides I don't think you could keep up :moon: . Now get back to work. :shame:

[Texian]

I'm out. The dates closely coincide with a previously planned trip.

Yall have fun either way you decide, and stay safe.:thumb:

[hardybaker]

Casey, let's keep the "schedule" flexable. A shower, once in a while is real nice, so is a hot meal, but we don't want to have to rush thru, any section of this GREAT ride, simply to keep a hotel reservation. This method of travel, seems to keep more of the adventure in the ride. Each rider needs to be as self sufficent as possible, in regards to vehicle maintance, food, camping gear(tent), etc. Remember the KISS principal. keep it simple "dummy??" Let's let gas stops be our biggest concerns.
Is it really gonna happen?? Hope so. Hardy

[gotdurt]

Casey, let's keep the "schedule" flexable. A shower, once in a while is real nice, so is a hot meal, but we don't want to have to rush thru, any section of this GREAT ride, simply to keep a hotel reservation. This method of travel, seems to keep more of the adventure in the ride. Each rider needs to be as self sufficent as possible, in regards to vehicle maintance, food, camping gear(tent), etc. Remember the KISS principal. keep it simple "dummy??" Let's let gas stops be our biggest concerns.
Is it really gonna happen?? Hope so. Hardy
I agree Hardy, but I'm under the impression that you and I are a rare breed in that respect. I do intend to make something happen, I just really can't get excited about the trip it's turning in to. This may be the last time I go back there on a bike, and I want to enjoy it as close to 'my way' as possible, while still providing an excellent experience for others. I do have all of the fuel stops down, and some portions of the route will require about 150 mile tank range (I believe, I'll have to go back and look at my mileages to refresh my memory). One leg of the trip might require approx 20 mile side trip for fuel, depending on how much we play that day....

[STCPO]

Ok...it's time for me to say I'm in. I've been watching this thread since the first post. I'm all for the original plan of camping 3 nights.

Lets just set some dates so we can really start the countdown.

Pete

[gotdurt]

Ok...it's time for me to say I'm in. I've been watching this thread since the first post. I'm all for the original plan of camping 3 nights.
That's still the plan, and chances are, that will happen. The problem is, you never know what can pop up to alter the plan. I just want to leave the schedule somewhat flexible so that if something changes in-route, it won't present a problem.

Lets just set some dates so we can really start the countdown.

Sat April 29 - Sun May7
As stated earlier, once Scott and I meet on this and finalize the plan/ pricing, I'll start a new thread with FAQ, hard info, sign-up info, etc. It will likely be after January.

[dower]

Those dates look perfect. As of now, count me in.

[Jack Giesecke]

All's I got's a 200 that cruises about 50 mph tops. It'd leave you guys on the GSs off road, but it's no touring bike.

[Tourmeister]

Jack raises a good point. How much of the route will be paved, if any? Would bike need to be street legal?

[gotdurt]

Jack raises a good point. How much of the route will be paved, if any?
Okay, I think I have the route whittled down, It will be about 1100 miles over 5 days. Mileage as follows are rough approximations, and % dirt is assuming they haven't paved anything in the last 2 years:

Day 1, Mon - Hardest day, 250 miles about 80% dirt, some slightly technical (no alternate route). Camp.

Day 2, Tues - 200 miles, 80% dirt. Hotel.

Day 3, Wed - 200 miles, 80% dirt. Camp.

Day 4, Thurs - 200 miles, dirt/ pavement ratio depends on route you choose:twisted:. Hotel.

Day 5, Fri - 300 miles, 50% dirt. Sleep where you want (we should be back at the trucks).

As stated earlier, I'm planning for the first week in May (Sat April 29 - Sun May7)
It will be mostly (maybe 60%) dirt roads and very mild jeep trails/ double track. About 20% moderate+/- jeep trails (unless you choose a bypass route), and about 20% paved.

Would bike need to be street legal?
Yep.

As for the hotel nights, the first one will be in Camp Verde; at least 4 to choose from (including Days Inn, Comfort Inn, and Super 8, ranging about $60-100/night), and the second will be in the north Phoenix metro area, and I'm not about to count the possibilities there... I'll have a list of the few nearest our target destination at that time. If the route/schedule changes at the last minute, there are other small towns/communities that we'll be passing thru/near with lodging.

[dlippolt]

I have interest.

i'm all about the riding. 4/5 dirt riding skill 5/5 paved riding skill.

use email function to contact me since i'm not on this forum often

<drew>

[Sprocket]

Just got a kitchen pass from the wife. Assuming the business can live without me, I'm in...

One thing I missed along the way in the thread was if trailering to the area is being planned? While either of my XR's would be up to the ride, I don't see any reason to subject myself to riding that far. No thrill for me to slab it on either bike, plus my truck is soooo much more cozy... :)

[gocatgo]

If this is still a go, I'm definitely interested! I have just returned to off-road riding after a long absence but am breaking in my DR650, getting up to speed. Proly 3/5 on average trails right now - 5/5 on street (long time street rider, Ironbutt rider, MSF instructor, so really, I can identify a motorcycle 2 out of three times consistently). If you think I can muddle along with your group, I'd trailer it out there with the best of them.
1)5
2)5
3)5
4)3?
5)a
6)e
7)d

Threresa

[Photojojo]

I'll ride out the day before on the KLR. There is a motorcycle show in Houston some time around then I may have to work, and the Texas Two Step was sort of talked about for next year so I would have to pick between the two, maybe.

On a scale of 1 to 5, I would rate my interest in old west history and rarely visited historical sites as ___.

2

On a scale of 1 to 5, I would rate my interest in native american history and very rarely visited archeological sites as ___.

3

On a scale of 1 to 5, I would rate my adventurous spirit as ___.

5 as long as there is someone to bail my ***** out of jai.. I mean trouble.

On a scale of 1 to 5, I would rate my of-pavement skill level as ___.

3 really I suck, but I can usually fake it with more throttle.:flip:

On my adventure rides I am more interested in

b)occassional stops for convenient sights and those that can be seen from the saddle.


My idea of an adventure route is

e)dude, lets just pick the roads and trails as we go! + a little bit of d

At the end of the day on an adventure ride I want to

d)camp in really cool places with a fire and a few good folks, just need a shower every couple of days.

Can I still sleep with my bike?

[Tourmeister]

Howdy,

:tab So going back through all the posts, here is a list of people claiming they are going. If you are not on this list and want to be, post up. If you are on the list and need to be removed, let me know.

Blue - KTM 625 SXC
Chubby Dodds - KLR 650
Disbanded - KLR 650
Dower - BMW F650 Dakar
Dyna Sport - KTM 625 SXC
Gocatgo - DR 650
Hardy Baker - Transalp or 1150GSA
Hood Ornament - DRZ 400E
Hoop - DRZ 400
Junkie - KTM 950 or 525
Oldbmw - KLR 650
Sprocket - XR650L or XR400
Txcpl - KLR 650
Wasabi - KLR 650
Woodbutcher - DRZ400
XR650Rocketman - XR650R

:tab Given the potential size of the group, we may need to so some rethinking about how we are going to structure the ride. Stay tuned for details.

[Tx Rider]

It's been a while though, I would expect several to drop out.

This is the only ride I'm going to make no matter what if it goes. Probably passing on this years KTMTalk DS ride to do it.

I think I'll be spending a bit of my off time this year soloing up to some of the Arkansas forests and poking around camping with a tent. Maybe a little trans am trail along the way.

[hardybaker]

Thanks anyway but ,,,, please remove me from the "to go" list. I hope it is a fantastic trip, and ya'll post a lot of pictures Hardy

[Tourmeister]

Okay, thanks for the update Hardy!

New list:

Blue - KTM 625 SXC
Chubby Dodds - KLR 650
Disbanded - KLR 650
Dower - BMW F650 Dakar
Dyna Sport - KTM 625 SXC
Gocatgo - DR 650
Hood Ornament - DRZ 400E
Hoop - DRZ 400
Junkie - KTM 950 or 525
Oldbmw - KLR 650
Sprocket - XR650L or XR400
Txcpl - KLR 650
Wasabi - KLR 650
Woodbutcher - DRZ400
XR650Rocketman - XR650R

[Texas T]

Where are y'all going to store the trucks/trailers while you're out riding?

[gocatgo]

Hey, TexasT will you come out and baby-sit them for us? And maybe wash and wax them while we're gone?:rofl:

[Texas T]

Hey, TexasT will you come out and baby-sit them for us? And maybe wash and wax them while we're gone?:rofl: Well... the reason I was asking is that my sister has a small bit of property in Benson (http://maps.google.com/maps?q=benson,+az&ll=31.955330,-110.448292&spn=0.003753,0.010131&t=k&hl=en) that is fenced and gated, and if there was any interest I'd ask her if she would mind storing the vehicles for a week.

If the Chiricahua's is where you plan to start, this wouldn't be very far off the path. She is also only a few miles from Kartchner Caverns (http://www.pr.state.az.us/Parks/parkhtml/kartchner.html), a destination that I highly recommend if you have a spare couple of hours.

Kartchner Caverns is home to:
* one of the world's longest soda straw stalactites - 21 feet 2 inches
(Throne Room)
* the tallest and most massive column in Arizona, Kubla Khan: 58 feet tall (Throne Room)
(see the person at the bottom of the photo)
http://www.explorethecaverns.com/gallery/kartcolumn.jpg

* the world's most extensive formation of b-r-u-s-h-i-t-e moonmilk (Big Room)
[had to spell it that way to avoid the expletive deleted editor]
* the first reported occurrence of "turnip" shields (Big Room)
* the first cave occurrence of "birdsnest" needle quartz formations
* many other unusual formations such as shields, totems, helictites, and rimstone dams.

[gotdurt]

Well... the reason I was asking is that my sister has a small bit of property in Benson (http://maps.google.com/maps?q=benson,+az&ll=31.955330,-110.448292&spn=0.003753,0.010131&t=k&hl=en) that is fenced and gated, and if there was any interest I'd ask her if she would mind storing the vehicles for a week.

You're kidding! That would be perfect, as Benson is where the route begins :rider: . I was going to find a near-by storage place or something, but that would be way better...

If the Chiricahua's is where you plan to start, this wouldn't be very far off the path.
That was the original plan, but I had to cut it to keep the miles under 300/day. So, the current route starts at Benson...

[Texas T]

You're kidding! That would be perfect, as Benson is where the route begins. I was going to find a near-by storage place or something, but that would be way better... Ok, once you have a firm number of vehicles let me know via PM and I'll ask her. But understand there are no guarantees of her agreeing to this. My BIL has his driving/chipping range in the back yard and may not want these things interfering with his golf practice.:miffed: ;-)

In the Google Map photo (the Benson link) their property is in the center of the image with a paved road above and to the left of the property. The large pool and tennis court just to the right belongs to the next door neighbor.

That's the tennis court behind my Sprint to give you a perspective of the properties.
http://www.thorn.org/images/cars/Falcon/Falcon%204.jpg

If everyone agreed to get their truck serviced and washed (http://www.thorn.org/xpresslube.htm/index.html) while they're in Benson she might be a little more open to doing this. :lol2:

If she doesn't want to do this - for liability or other reasons - I'll ask her to see where you might find a gated, secure place for the week. There are a LOT of illegals that pass through this area so you don't want your stuff just sitting out in the open.

And since you're beginning/ending there, I can't recommend the Caverns enough. It's a fantastic site and one of the few "living" caves in the world that people are allowed to explore.

If you want, I can also get you a list of places to eat around town; some of the places serve a humongous breakfast plate.:eat:
I can also ask her to see about a group hotel/motel rate.

[gotdurt]

Hey thanks Brian, I'll definitely let you know when we get a good idea of the number of vehicles.

[Texas T]

Ok, tested the waters with my sister today and she's okay with the truck/trailer storage as long as everyone understands that it's just barbed wire and a locked gate.
This is not a high security compound. :duck: :shooter: ;)

If anyone wants to go to Sunday service and meet a local celeb, she can point you to the church that Baxter Black (http://www.baxterblack.com/) attends. :lol:

He gets his vehicles serviced at their lube and my sister got me an autographed copy of one of his books a while back but I've never had the pleasure of meeting him in person. I really do enjoy his humor though.

For the oldsters of the group, one of the actors that played in High Chaparal is one of her customers too. There is a movie set just to the north of I-10 where many westerns have been filmed of which Buffalo Soldiers is probably the best known.

[Tx Rider]

How come your name isn't on the list Scott?

[gotdurt]

I'm hoping the same reason mine isn't either....

[Tx Rider]

By the way do we have a date yet?

The KTMtalk guys have a DS ride in Arkansas in April and a couple of folks want to know if I'm going so they can share trailer/ride there.

I just might decide to do both if the dates are different, or tell them I'm a definate no show if they aren't. I can always ride up to Arkansas on any long weekend.

[Tourmeister]

Hehe... Because I just forgot :shrug:

:tab However, if I get the GS sold and get a KLR to replace it, then I am pretty much a go for this trip. My only issue is that I don't have much in the way of good camping gear. I have a tent but it is fairly bulky. I have decent sleeping bag and thermarest pad. I have no cooking gear. I can't really afford to start buying a bunch of gear either. So I may have to do some begging, borrowing or stealing ;-)

[Tourmeister]

I believe the date was for the last week of April.

[gotdurt]

By the way do we have a date yet?

Sat April 29 - Sun May7

[Tourmeister]

:tab Now, does that mean we'll be riding all of those days, or are a few of them travel days? I can't take time off for travel before and after the week. This means I pretty much have to leave Friday evening and travel through Saturday. So I can start riding Sunday. Then on the end of the ride, I would need Saturday and Sunday to travel home. That would give us 6 days of riding, which is a lot for anyone not used to that kind of riding day after day.

[gotdurt]

:tab Now, does that mean we'll be riding all of those days, or are a few of them travel days?


Day 1, Mon - Hardest day, 250 miles about 80% dirt, some slightly technical (no alternate route). Camp.

Day 2, Tues - 200 miles, 80% dirt. Hotel.

Day 3, Wed - 200 miles, 80% dirt. Camp.

Day 4, Thurs - 200 miles, dirt/ pavement ratio depends on route you choose:twisted:. Hotel.

Day 5, Fri - 300 miles, 50% dirt. Sleep where you want (we should be back at the trucks).

As stated earlier, I'm planning for the first week in May (Sat April 29 - Sun May7)

However, it would be nice to start the ride on Sunday, if everyone thinks they can make it there in time. That would give us some time to explore a pretty cool place that would otherwise be the first day. And, depending on when we leave Sunday (if we do), that would give us time to make a cool side trip that I've been trying to fit into the route.

Oooor, I could fit in a rest day and let folks do as they wish; ride, hike, sleep, etc.

[Squeaky]

My only issue is that I don't have much in the way of good camping gear. I can't really afford to start buying a bunch of gear either. So I may have to do some begging, borrowing or stealing ;-)

I'm sure a few of us can help you out as payback for all the help you've given us with maintenance, room & board, etc... :cool2:

[db]

I'm sure a few of us can help you out as payback for all the help you've given us with maintenance, room & board, etc... :cool2:


I'm 'in' and have some 'cash money' to throw into the TM camping fund. Tell me where to send it. :bigokay:

[Photojojo]

Has a cost been determined? that makes a big difference on if I can go or not.

[gotdurt]

Not quite yet. After Scott and I meet to go over the details (soon), we'll settle on the price and details and I will post a new thread with everything laid out.

[Sleepy Weasel]

Not quite yet. After Scott and I meet to go over the details (soon), we'll settle on the price and details and I will post a new thread with everything laid out.

How are your support vehicle plans coming along? I don't know if those mileages you mentioned are on routes with gas stops along the way. I hope so, unless the plan includes maybe the support truck intersecting the route at points maybe to provide fuel? I still haven't figured out just yet what my fuel consumption rate is like on dirt, but on pavement, 200 miles would have me doing some walking I think.

[Tourmeister]

:tab Now that I think about it, an optional ride/rest day mid week (Wed) is probably a really good idea. There may be some bikes/bodies in need of maintenance ;-) I would think that day might be a good hotel day, a chance to shower and do laundry.

[gotdurt]

How are your support vehicle plans coming along? I don't know if those mileages you mentioned are on routes with gas stops along the way. I hope so, unless the plan includes maybe the support truck intersecting the route at points maybe to provide fuel? I still haven't figured out just yet what my fuel consumption rate is like on dirt, but on pavement, 200 miles would have me doing some walking I think.

The support vehicle idea is pretty much dead, as the guy that would have done it lives in Taos, NM now. I have another friend that might be able to, one or two days, but he won't know 'til the last minute, so I will only assume 'no' for now.

For the most part, fuel will not be a problem; we'll be passing through several communities, towns, and even skirt the 5th largest city in the US... I do have all of the gas stops planned, although one section of the route is really stretching it, so we may have to make a 15-20 mile (30-40 round trip) trek off-route for fuel. If you have a 150 mile range, you should be good, I'd say 120 miles is the absolute minimum.

As for the rest day idea, it sounds like a good one, as long as a Sunday morning departure leaves enough time for everyone to arrive. From Austin it will be about an 800 mile drive, figure around 14 hours. I'll look over the route and see where would be a good plce to spend the day, and still have a hotel nearby (that's the trick).

[Sleepy Weasel]

... a chance to shower and do laundry.

I thought he already said there would be occasional water crossings?
:lol2:

[gotdurt]

:lol2:
You laugh, but a friend of mine went down in the big one (we'll be crossing).... all of his clothes and sleeping bag, SUBMURGED. It was about 55 deg when it happened, got down to freezing that night :shock: . My stuff stayed dry though... of course I was in the truck :mrgreen: . I had an extra bag and dry clothes though, so he didn't freeze :-)

[gocatgo]

I'm 'in' and have some 'cash money' to throw into the TM camping fund. Tell me where to send it. :bigokay:

Yep, me too. :thumb:

[Photojojo]

Regadless of if I make it or not I have gear to lend, tent, stove, sleeping bag, thermarests, etc...

[Tourmeister]

:tab Thanks for the offers folks! I think I have the tent covered now. I have a nice small packing sleeping bag. What I need to acquire are some of those heavy rubber bags from Aerostich or somewhere that keep out water. I don't want to be like Casey's friend ;-) For anyone serious about donations, feel free to paypal to Tourmeister@twtex.com and please note that it is for the trip so I can keep track of it. You can also mail a check if you like to:

Scott Friday
1617 Woodland Lane
Huntsville, Tx. 77340

Again, please note the purpose. I promise to spend it wisely.

[Beem Dubya]

Greetings and Salutations!

I live in the Phoenix area but hail from Big D. I caught a reference to this thread over on ADVRider and thought I'd drop a line and offer any assistance I can and to see if I can join up with you boyz when you get out this way. I just hosted a couple of riders from f650.com and would welcome the chance to meet some new folks and show 'em around.

[Sleepy Weasel]

What I need to acquire are some of those heavy rubber bags from Aerostich or somewhere that keep out water.

I seem to remember somebody saying kayaking bags were a relatively cheap alternative to the "motorcycle specific" waterproof bags.

[Tourmeister]

Sleepy, good point! I have a Campmor catalog and I think they have some of those bags. I will be poking around to find some.

Beem, Welcome to the site!

[ThorH]

This looks very interesting, but I cannot commit 100% this early. 80% says me and my baby-GS will tag along, if I can hitch a trailer ride from Houston or somewhere. (I don't rule out riding there, but I wouldn't mind sending the bike with someone and fly out either.)

1) On a scale of 1 to 5, I would rate my interest in old west history and rarely visited historical sites as 4.

2) On a scale of 1 to 5, I would rate my interest in native american history and very rarely visited archeological sites as 3.

3) On a scale of 1 to 5, I would rate my adventurous spirit as 4.

4) On a scale of 1 to 5, I would rate my of-pavement skill level as 3.

5) On my adventure rides I am more interested in
a)Seeing the sights and taking side trips to unique places, maybe even make some short hikes.

6) My idea of an adventure route is
d)"c", with maybe some "mystery routes" mixed in, as long as we know they work and will be interesting.

7) At the end of the day on an adventure ride I want to
d)camp in really cool places with a fire and a few good folks, just need a shower every couple of days.

[gotdurt]

Great ThorH, hope you can make it. Judging from your answers, I think you'll enjoy it.

[gotdurt]

Greetings and Salutations!

I live in the Phoenix area but hail from Big D. I caught a reference to this thread over on ADVRider and thought I'd drop a line and offer any assistance I can and to see if I can join up with you boyz when you get out this way. I just hosted a couple of riders from f650.com and would welcome the chance to meet some new folks and show 'em around.
We'd love to have ya, it would be nice to have a current local along. I let you know when the new thread is started with the the hard info.

[Beem Dubya]

We'd love to have ya, it would be nice to have a current local along. I let you know when the new thread is started with the the hard info.
I'd be happy to help! I can check out any info you need...even do some pre-rides of the areas your planning on riding in.

[Tourmeister]

:tab I will be trailering out from Huntsville. I can carry four adults in addition to myself. The truck is a crew cab F250 Diesel. The trailer is an 18 ft double axle that can probably hold 6-8 650 DS style bikes. The gas bill is split by the number of bikes on the trailer. I want to be on the road Friday evening. Maybe drive through and get there pretty early so we have time to relax and get ready for the start of the riding. Room reserved on a first come, first served basis for definite commitments only!

[Hoop]

ok, I have to ask a dumb question. I can get by with trail mix every other night, a sleeping bag, thermarest pad. My concern is carrying enough water with me on the bike for human consumption in between gas stops. I will admit I didn't go back and read all 11 pages of this thread, but besides for sleeping gear and food, how much water will we need to carry? I assume if we get gas every day, we've got a chance to buy snacks and water, but if we gas up at noon, then ride the rest of the day to someplace remote, then get up the next morning and ride another 50 miles before the next gas stop, I might need to carry a gallon of water? Or will we be camping where there is potable water? Or should I bring a water purification thingy?

Thanks again...

[Photojojo]

: What I need to acquire are some of those heavy rubber bags from Aerostich or somewhere that keep out water.

Whatever you do, don't buy dry bags. I have a few of varying size you can have, mostly on the big side. Do you want them shipped to 1617 Woodland Lane? I'll send them in the next couple of weeks, plus maybe some other things I think you may need in the near future.

Thanks for the great website. And congrats on the new addition.

Chris

[Squeaky]

Whatever you do, don't buy dry bags.

Is that because you have so many to give/lend or because there's an issue with dry bags on the bike?

I've thought about getting some, but the ones that are small enough to strap onto the tops of the saddlebags look too small to hold anything and the ones that look big enough to hold what I need them to seem like they'd take the entire back seat. I'd appreciate an opinion of what size bag is "just right" and what features you look for in a bag (is a purge valve necessary, how convenient is the clear 'window', etc.)

Oh, and Scott is not near his computer this weekend but yeah, you can ship whatever you wnat to that address. He'll just get it and wonder what he ordered and forgot about... :mrgreen:

[Photojojo]

Dry bags work very well. I won't go on any type of trip without them. I have one with a purge valve and it is nice to suck all of the air out of the bag. but I can pretty much do the same thing by just rolling it up right.

I think the 20 liter bags are the best size for strapping to the saddlebags. I always put my sleeping bag and clothes in dry bags.

[Gilk51]

Is that because you have so many to give/lend or because there's an issue with dry bags on the bike?
I think he meant "don't buy any 'cause I have some that I will send you". http://www.texasarlingtoncs.us/pics/smilies/righton.gif

[gotdurt]

ok, I have to ask a dumb question. I can get by with trail mix every other night, a sleeping bag, thermarest pad. My concern is carrying enough water with me on the bike for human consumption in between gas stops. I will admit I didn't go back and read all 11 pages of this thread, but besides for sleeping gear and food, how much water will we need to carry? I assume if we get gas every day, we've got a chance to buy snacks and water, but if we gas up at noon, then ride the rest of the day to someplace remote, then get up the next morning and ride another 50 miles before the next gas stop, I might need to carry a gallon of water? Or will we be camping where there is potable water? Or should I bring a water purification thingy?
That's no dumb question... water is going to be very important. My hydration pack holds 72oz, usually enough for a day. With at least one stop per day, I should be okay most of the time, but I'll be carrying a couple of 1qt bottles as well. A water purification thingy comes in quite handy; my buddy brought one to Baja, a hand pump kind, and it came in handy a couple of times. So if you have one that packs small, I'd bring it.

[Sleepy Weasel]

yeah, you can ship whatever you wnat to that address. He'll just get it and wonder what he ordered and forgot about... :mrgreen:


Hmmm, I happen to have an old dishwasher I was going to take to the dump. That would probably be a pretty expensive gag, though.

[gocatgo]

I will be trailering my DR from Boyd (NW of Fort Worth). I have a Ford F250 pickup extended cab with camper shell, and will be pulling a 16 foot trailer. I would have room for a couple of riders and bikes if anyone is interested. Oldbmw does get dibs on the first spot if he wants it since I spoke to him today. Or I can carry gear out for anybody who wants to ride out from this area.

[vfrhugh]

Looks like you enjoyed your time in Arizona. Thanks for sharing the adventure. To rocky for me, I need something a little softer to land on.
Hugh

[gocatgo]

How do we sign up? Who wants the money? :ponder:

[gotdurt]

How do we sign up? Who wants the money? :ponder:
When Scott gets back from getting his new toy, and he can pull himself away from it long enough ;), he'll set up Pay-Pal and instructions etc...

[Tourmeister]

Whatever you do, don't buy dry bags. I have a few of varying size you can have, mostly on the big side. Do you want them shipped to 1617 Woodland Lane? I'll send them in the next couple of weeks, plus maybe some other things I think you may need in the near future.

It would be awesome if you could ship those down. Or, if you have room, perhaps you could bring them down with you on your ride? Otherwise...

Scott Friday
1617 Woodland Lane
Huntsville, Tx. 77340

Thanks!

[Photojojo]

It would be awesome if you could ship those down. Or, if you have room, perhaps you could bring them down with you on your ride? Otherwise...

Thanks!

Well I must have missed this post befoe we left. I'm thinking of coming down for the tech day on the 21st. if I do I'll bring them then, if not I'll ship them. :thumb:

[Tourmeister]

Hehe, I just posted it this evening. I forgot when you were going riding! Would be cool if you can make it down next weekend, bring your wife ;-)

[Tourmeister]

Okay. Everything is falling into place now.

:tab To register, click on the User CP link at the top of any page in the forums. Go down to the bottom of the menu on the left side of the page and select the "Paid Subscriptions" option. You will see an option for the Arizona DS tour. Paying this way will add you to a new usergroup. Members of this usergroup will have access to a private forum that covers all aspects of the details of this trip. You will see the new forum at the top of this forum. Please do not give out the route information.

:tab Those not wanting to use Paypal can mail a check to me at:

AZ DS Tour
Scott Friday
1617 Woodland Lane
Huntsville, Tx. 77340

:tab I will add you to the new usergroup so that you have access to the private forum.

:tab Payment by checks must arrive by April 1st. After that date, payment will only be accepted by Paypal. The final registration deadline is April 14th!! After the 14th, there will be no refunds unless we have a full group and there is someone waiting to take your place!

[gotdurt]

...and go by the "official thread" as it has been updated with new info also, specifically sign-up info, what is/is not included and some route changes.

[Tourmeister]

So we have one person signed up now. Anyone else?

[gotdurt]

(the sound of crickets)

[WoodButcher]

chirp chirp. Actually I'm still on the fence. A week ago I would have said no way I could go. Now I'm trying to make arrangements to get my son's bike out to Phoenix (selling it to my bro-lin-law). So now I'm thinking I could combine trips. I'll keep you posted.

[gocatgo]

Geez, nobody wants to go to AZ 'cause I signed up?:uhoh:

[Photojojo]

I want to go, but when I said that I would maybe go it was entirely dependant on how much it would cost. While $310 is definatley worth it I probably only have that much for my total vacation this year.

Such is the life of a starving artist. Don't get me wrong it has some good pluses unfortunatley this is one of the minuses.

[Hoop]

I'm on the fence as well, don't know if I can get away from work. It's against my religion to pay to go riding, but I can rationalize it like this: When I go to an AMA D/S ride, the "entry fee" is usually $100 for 2 days of riding, basically a guided tour to the best trails in the area. That's $50 a day for a roll chart or trails marked with arrows. On that basis, 6 days of guided tour would equal $300. Pretty close.

I had a friend (now deceased) who really knew how to put on a good ride. He went out of his way to make sure everything was set up in advance, everyone had a good time, we hit all the best trails, stopped at the most scenic spots, he would even have firewood delivered to the campsite in advance. [This was when I was younger and didn't mind camping as much.] After several trips, I told him I'd pay money to go with him again if he'd keep it up. He said, "No thanks. If I charged money, I'd probably get some dummy wanting to come along who couldn't ride, and he'd get himself hurt and sue me."

I sure miss him...

[Tourmeister]

:tab Well, regarding paying for a trip, I look at it this way. It takes a LOT of time and effort to set up a group trip, plan the routes, and just get everything taken care of. Many people don't have the time or inclination to do this on their own. They just want to know where to show up and where to go so they can maximize their vacation time. Given that most tours charge several hundred dollars a day even if you ride your own bike, this is a bargain.

:tab That being said, I can also totally understand the people that say, "Why should I pay when I can do that myself?" To these people, I reply, go for it! If you have the time and like to do the planning then obviously paying someone else to do it for you does not make sense. Having put together a lot of trips for groups, I can tell you it does wear you down. I get to the point where I become one of the people that wants nothing more than to be told when/where so I don't have to do a thing except ride ;-)

:tab Your friend's advice is partially true. However, with an open invitation, whether you charge or not, you are never really sure what calibre of riders you will end up with. Also, whether you charge or not, people can still sue you if you are the one that organized the ride ;-)

:tab On a side note, it is interesting that I have often encountered people that did not mind paying for a ride as long as you weren't making money off them. I have never understood this. What is it about being rewarded for your efforts that so many people find as repugnant? :scratch: We all go to work and spend our efforts expecting to be rewarded such that we can accumulate more wealth. How is that any different from any other enterprise where people use their efforts to put something together that other people desire? Anyway, just a general observation I thought I'd share, hehe. It is not directed at you Hoop.

:tab I can assure all of you that Gotdurt and I will not be making money off this trip even if all ten people sign up and go with us.

[gocatgo]

Scott, I'm lucky that there are guys like you willing to put your time, effort and experience into providing people like me (who know nothing about AZ but has dreamed of riding DS there) an opportunity to see and ride in new places - I feel certain that what you are charging doesn't come close to covering the hours spent on a trip like this. You could make more money somewhere else.
As far as planning my own trips, I'm not above doing that. I've found my own way from Mexico to Canada, to Colorado, North Carolina, etc. on a bike. But I recognize that I don't have a clue about AZ DS riding and would miss so much if I went on my own.

Just my .02 worth. :whatever:

[gotdurt]

:tab Well, regarding paying for a trip, I look at it this way. It takes a LOT of time and effort to set up a group trip, plan the routes, and just get everything taken care of. Many people don't have the time or inclination to do this on their own. They just want to know where to show up and where to go so they can maximize their vacation time. Given that most tours charge several hundred dollars a day even if you ride your own bike, this is a bargain.

:tab That being said, I can also totally understand the people that say, "Why should I pay when I can do that myself?" To these people, I reply, go for it! If you have the time and like to do the planning then obviously paying someone else to do it for you does not make sense. Having put together a lot of trips for groups, I can tell you it does wear you down. I get to the point where I become one of the people that wants nothing more than to be told when/where so I don't have to do a thing except ride ;-)

Arizona is 80% government land. There are enough roads, trails and interesting locations in Arizona to spend 20 years exploring every weekend. Many are absolutely fantastic, many are boring as heck. Many are easy, many are much more difficult than a map may suggest, and many more aren't on any map. I know which direction to go for the best views and the best time of day. I know the cool scenic overlooks, neat places that aren't on any map, and the great camping spots that you'll never know about unless you just happen that way. I know where the potential problem spots are; water crossings, bad sand washes, approximate elevations (and therefore what to expect climate-wise for a given area), where the gas stations are/aren't, where you can/can't get food, and... if there are road or forest closures, I know the way around. I know the varying types of terrain for a given area, and what types of obsticles to expect, even If I haven't been on that trail/road. And being able to consider all of these things, I know what to expect for travel time. I know where hospitals are. I know which cacti to avoid contact with at all costs. I know about things like Indian cliff dwellings that only a handfull of people know about, that took me anywhere from 6 months to 3 years of research to locate.

I know now that if I hadn't lived there and explored every weekend for 3 years, taking a 6 day trip on my own, not knowing the state, would have been hit and miss. It might still be a fun trip, but not anywhere near as good as it would be with the places I've gone in that 3 year period. I know where places are that you'll never know about, not even with years of research. If you happen across one of those locations (and know it when you do) on your own trip design, you'd better buy a lottery ticket ;-) .

What many do not realize is given my knowledge of the area, there is a great deal of info that I consider that many would not even know to think about. The time it takes for me to consider these things, choose the desired elements to be experienced and put them together in a route that works well is incredibly time consuming. It's also very difficult to decide which roads/trails to include when there are so many good ones, and then string them together in a way that maximizes what they have to offer.

Granted, this will be more of an 'Arizona 101', hitting the highlights, but from the perspective of an adventurous local, not a Tour Guide-book.... anyone can find their way to the south rim of the Grand Canyon and fight the tourists at the many restaurants, but do you know what two great eateries there are in Young? Do you know how to find your way through the incredible maze of mining roads in the White Canyon area? The best maps only show a few of them... Oh, I'm sorry, you didn't know about the White Canyon area? It's great! You need a permit though because it crosses State Land... the map doesn't tell you that.... ;-)

There are some people, like myself, that would rather find things on your own, after all, not knowing where you're going the the best way get somewhere you've never been... If you are one of those people, then you may enjoy it more on your own terms, even if you know you are missing things along the way. Most though, want to maximize their experience-to-time/dollar ratio, and don't have the time or where-with-all to put together this in-depth of a trip. This trip is for those people.

[Tourmeister]

And we'd really like you to go :-P

[gotdurt]

(hears more crickets)

...Um, l-look, i-i-if we built this large wooden badger....

[Steve O Chap]

Oh man I'd love to go on this, but I don't think I'll be able to get myself a dual sport by then... plus it's been about 5 years since I did any offroad riding and I'm afraid I'd be a bit too rusty for a ride like this.

Funny with the timing though. I'll be in Bellemont (about 10 miles outside of Flagstaff) in May. I'm taking a trip out there on my Honda and will be exploring many of the roads. My sister and brother in law live out there and he's a big time hunter, tracker and explorer and we're working on setting up day trips for me all over the region.

[Sleepy Weasel]

(hears more crickets)

...Um, l-look, i-i-if we built this large wooden badger....


BEDEVERE: Well, now, uh, Launcelot, Galahad, and I, uh, wait until nightfall, and then leap out of the rabbit, taking the French, uh, by surprise. Not only by surprise, but totally unarmed!

ARTHUR: Who leaps out?



Sorry if that was a step backwards in time there, but it's a much better line than simply "twang... Run away, run away!"

[gotdurt]

Hehe, but "Run away, run away!" may be more fitting to the turn this thread seems to have taken :-P

[Photojojo]

So honestly after the $310 how much would one expect to spend on this trip? I have an offer of a trailer spot, so sharing gas there and back should make it cheaper. But what about hotels? What are the rates at the ones you are planning to stay at? What about food? How much resturaunt time are you planning vs carrying our own food? Or were you plannig on re-stocking every couple of days at a grocery store? I'm a fairly experienced backpacker so I got no problem cooking on the trail.

I can probably swing the regsitration, but I'm trying to get an idea on what would be required for the rest of the trip.

[gotdurt]

So honestly after the $310 how much would one expect to spend on this trip?
This depends greatly on each individual.... hotels are optional, and where/what we we eat will depend on where we are. You can live soley on granola and jerky (as I've done), or you can order the whole menu every opportunity you get...

I have an offer of a trailer spot, so sharing gas there and back should make it cheaper. But what about hotels? What are the rates at the ones you are planning to stay at?
They range anywhere from about $70 to $90/night on the 2nd and 3rd nights (same town) depending on the hotel and the room you choose. I hope to split a room with someone at least one of those nights. There are many good places in the area to camp as well, which I may do one of those nights. The cool thing about AZ is the amount of federal land; there's always a free place to camp nearby. The 5th night will likely be a Hampton at $100/night for 2 queen beds, so splitting is an option. It's the only hotel that I know of that is convenient; the next one, a Days Inn at $50, is a bit out of the way in north Phoenix... personally I'd rather camp ;-) . The nights before and after the ride are up to you, although we'll encourage everyone to stay at the same place the night before the ride for efficiency's sake. Probably about $50-70/night.
What about food? How much resturaunt time are you planning vs carrying our own food? Or were you plannig on re-stocking every couple of days at a grocery store? I'm a fairly experienced backpacker so I got no problem cooking on the trail.
Again, that depends on you and the location. Each day we should have the opportunity to dine at a cafe/grill/restaurant at least once, but this will depend on progress etc... You can eat your own grub the entire trip, or mix it up as you see fit. I do have some target eateries that I'd like to hit if/when the timing works out right. You'll want to at least bring along something you can snack on on the ride, and a stash for emergencies. As for cooking for yourself in the mornings or the evenings, this is probably an option, provided there are no fire bans in effect in the forests where we'll be camping. I'll have my stockpile of granola and jerky just in case ;-) .
I can probably swing the regsitration, but I'm trying to get an idea on what would be required for the rest of the trip.
I'd budget for the hotels 1st, depending on what nights you want them, and whether or not you want to split one. Then I'd budget for packed food depening on what you can live with, then decide what you are willing to spend on restaurants. You can hold to your own budget that way.

[Tx Rider]

I'm certainly up for this, I'll have payment in a bit.

[fastmonstr]

I'm still considering this, wife permitting.

One question, it looks as though the route is set for 200 miles per day. What do you have planned for after lunch each day?

[gotdurt]

I'm still considering this, wife permitting.

One question, it looks as though the route is set for 200 miles per day. What do you have planned for after lunch each day?
The rest of the ride ;-) .

It will vary, depending on where we are around luch time each day and what kind of time we're making. A couple of the days a have definite lunch targets, and I'm sure there will be a couple of days where we'll be eating "trail mix" :lol2: ahem... As for after lunch, whenever/wherever that may be, it'll depend on the day/ route. I plan to use as much of the day for riding as possible, we'll need it. The idea is to finish the day just before dark, with enough time to set up camp. This won't be a fast-paced ride, and I plan to make lots of stops, so we'll play things by ear... The only day that I expect to finish fairly early is the first day, which has been reduced to 130 miles. We'll see how that goes, since it begins with a mild-to-moderate jeep trail followed by some very winding pavement and dirt; the size of the group and varying skills will show their true colors. After that I'll know how much stopping/ resting/ playing/ exploring we'll do.

But, knowing you, you were suggesting we'd be done by lunch... :rofl: Nope, this won't be that kinda ride... You're welcome to zoom ahead (at your own risk) if you'd like, but I'm not helping pick the cholla out of your rear if you have a mishap ;-) . With up to 12 riders loaded with 100lbs of gear strapped to their bikes, trying to stay together as a group, I won't expect us to be anywhere early.

[Tx Rider]

100 lbs of gear? Maybe we better have a gear/packing tutorial :) I've never put 100 lbs of gear on a bike even for a two week trip, maybe 50lbs tops on my harley once.

One question I do have, what's going to be the longest runs between gas and what kind of range do we need to make sure we can handle?

[Photojojo]

Well if I have to go out and buy another 60 lbs worth of gear I'm definatley not going.:lol2:

I'm still tryin to figure it out. Have faith.

[gotdurt]

100 lbs of gear? Maybe we better have a gear/packing tutorial :) I've never put 100 lbs of gear on a bike even for a two week trip, maybe 50lbs tops on my harley once.
I'm sure someone will...

One question I do have, what's going to be the longest runs between gas and what kind of range do we need to make sure we can handle?
A range of 150 miles should be fine. There will be one day that might push it, I think I covered that in the FAQ.

[gotdurt]

Well if I have to go out and buy another 60 lbs worth of gear I'm definatley not going.:lol2:

I'm still tryin to figure it out. Have faith.
Not just camping equip... consider tools, spare parts/tubes (for an abusive ride of this length, just to be safe, I'll expect some broken parts a some point, on someones bike), clothes for hot and cold climates and the added weight of panniers and other touring accessories... The racks/ panniers/ headlight set-up, etc. on my bike will add 15lbs before loading. It won't reach 100lbs for me, maybe 75 max, but only because I've done it enough to have it whittled down. I'll be carrying more this time than my higher speed trips in the past, mainly due to the gravity of my role in this... ie: if I break a clutch cable and fail to bring a spare, your trip will be really lame from that point on...

[Squeaky]

I'm sure someone will...

Maybe not, I'm not coming on this one! :lol2:

[Hood Ornament]

I'm just waiting on a couple things, but it looks like I'm going to be in. Should know by next week. Then all I have to do is decide which bike I want to take. :mrgreen:

[gotdurt]

Then all I have to do is decide which bike I want to take. :mrgreen:
I'd put more weight on comfort and convenience than off-roadability... The DR will be a little overkill for 90% of the trip, and maybe a little tiring. The DL650 will be plenty capable, as long as you don't mind the risk to your plastics and some scratches/dents on the exhaust gaurd... just mount some TKC80's and you're good.

[Hood Ornament]

I'd put more weight on comfort and convenience than off-roadability... The DR will be a little overkill for 90% of the trip, and maybe a little tiring. The DL650 will be plenty capable, as long as you don't mind the risk to your plastics and some scratches/dents on the exhaust gaurd... just mount some TKC80's and you're good.

That's the way I was leaning. Don't mind banging it up, not like it's gonna get any uglier. :lol2: Got a set of TKC's in the garage ready to be mounted! Thinking I may drop a tooth in the front to give me a little more on the bottom end.

[jsb223]

Very Interested...

But...

I just got my bike after a long (15 year) hiatus...

The bike is not rigged for such an adventure yet...

Neither are my skills...

I should be ready by next year...

Good Luck and Have a Great Ride...