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Rangerscott
05-05-2009, 09:37 PM
I picked these up back in August and I think I'm gonna start workin on them this weekend.
Honda CL70
Good: Well it is there. LOL A lot more stuff on ebay for them. Found some websites that sell parts, tires and modified engines. Already bought new carb.
Bad: I hope the forks aren't rusted up. Needs new cables, pretty much anything made of rubber (ex: gas tank pads, tires), needs chain, some wires need to be redone, needs battery, engine condition unknown.
http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll23/rangerscott/Hondamoped1Small.jpg
http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll23/rangerscott/HondaMoped3Small.jpg
http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll23/rangerscott/HondaMoped2Small.jpg
http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll23/rangerscott/Hondamoped4Small.jpg
Yamaha YG1
Good: I can feel the piston move with the kick start. Clutch cable works.
Bad: Pretty much the same as the Honda. This is why you dont leave things out in the open. Bent handle bar
http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll23/rangerscott/Yamahamoped1Small.jpg
http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll23/rangerscott/Yamahamoped2Small.jpg
http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll23/rangerscott/Yamahamopded3Small.jpg
The Honda is a 4 stroke and the Yammy is a 2 stroke with oiler. I plan on working on the Honda first cause my other bike is a Honda. LOL I want to have at least one engine running in a month.
I have to clear out some stuff in the garage like tires and a cherry picker. Those seem to take up a lot of space. :lol2:
budzrex
05-05-2009, 10:07 PM
The CL 70s are a dream little bike
Rman of 237
05-06-2009, 07:57 AM
Both are cool projects. That YG is gonna be a challenge! Good luck and keep us posted!:thumb:
Tim Kreitz
05-06-2009, 09:07 AM
Looking forward to following this.
DaveC
05-06-2009, 10:40 AM
YG1 is an 80cc?
Chirpy
05-06-2009, 11:52 AM
A red '72 CL70 was my first motorcycle...sniff
cal25
05-06-2009, 03:41 PM
A red '72 CL70 was my first motorcycle...sniff
My first of my own was a green '71 model. Paid 50 bucks for it and it was sold a few more times for 50 bucks each time. It just kept on runing.
rickmillertx
05-06-2009, 07:43 PM
Where are you finding these? I have looked all around for a 70 or a passport to bring back from the dead. Seems most have been cremated.
Rangerscott
05-07-2009, 09:20 PM
Got them from a lady when we were working on her house. She says she kept meaning to scrap them.
The piston on the YG1 actually moves so hopefully with a few wires being replaced I'm hoping she'll start.
Now the Honda didnt have the carb attached so I'm fearing the worst.
rickmillertx
05-07-2009, 09:34 PM
Have fun, I'm envious.
Rangerscott
05-07-2009, 11:05 PM
I need to find out what years they are. I know the honda is a K1 or K2 model. The yammy I just know its early 60's.
Rangerscott
05-09-2009, 10:31 PM
Started working on the CL70. So far so good. I can only test mechanical stuff since the wire harness is a little cut up and I dont have a working 6v battery for it.
Got the piston to move with the kick start and sounds good. Got a list of things I need to order.
I'll upload some pics in a sec.
Rangerscott
05-10-2009, 12:52 AM
Well this is what I got done today. Not much but I know what I need to order for now. Even though the fork boots pretty much fell off and there was a ton of oil/dirt, the tubes look good.
She's so dirty.
http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll23/rangerscott/HondaCL70003Small.jpg
http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll23/rangerscott/HondaCL70004Small.jpg
http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll23/rangerscott/HondaCL70006Small.jpg
http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll23/rangerscott/HondaCL70008Small.jpg
http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll23/rangerscott/HondaCL70009Small.jpg
http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll23/rangerscott/HondaCL70010Small.jpg
http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll23/rangerscott/HondaCL70011Small.jpg
Rangerscott
05-10-2009, 12:55 AM
Clean that dirty girl.
http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll23/rangerscott/HondaCL70012Small.jpg
http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll23/rangerscott/HondaCL70013Small.jpg
http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll23/rangerscott/HondaCL70014Small.jpg
http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll23/rangerscott/HondaCL70015Small.jpg
http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll23/rangerscott/HondaCL70017Small.jpg
http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll23/rangerscott/HondaCL70018Small.jpg
Rangerscott
05-10-2009, 12:56 AM
More dirt. :doh:
http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll23/rangerscott/HondaCL70016Small.jpg
Rman of 237
05-10-2009, 01:20 AM
Welcome to the insomniacs club!:eek:
Rangerscott
05-10-2009, 01:24 AM
I'm up this late every night. :rider:
Tim Kreitz
05-10-2009, 02:18 AM
Me, too. :-P
Rangerscott
05-10-2009, 08:39 PM
Video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V1qnXzGSelk&feature=channel_page
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=clzKecasQBw&feature=channel_page
Rman of 237
05-10-2009, 09:22 PM
Video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=clzKecasQBw&feature=channel_page
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V1qnXzGSelk&feature=channel_pageCool walk-around!:thumb:
Rangerscott
05-10-2009, 09:24 PM
Now anyone wanna donate for parts. LOL
Rangerscott
05-11-2009, 08:07 PM
Bought a battery, gas tank rubbers, petcock, coil & spark plug cap, and seals for the engine.
If the engine turns up bad I'll just order a performance sleeve and head or maybe even one of those Lifan engines.
I did find out the frame and engine are Cl70K2 models.
Showing the valves moving.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4654U9LN2Io&feature=channel_page
Rangerscott
05-16-2009, 04:57 PM
Got the petcock, seals, gas tank rubbers, and spark plug cap. No battery or coil. I'm just gonna see if it'll start without power. Im sure it will.
Still dont know how the petcock installs.
http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll23/rangerscott/NewCL70stuff1Large.jpg
Old petcock
http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll23/rangerscott/Oldpetcock1Large.jpg
New petcock
http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll23/rangerscott/Newpetcock1Large.jpg
Rangerscott
05-16-2009, 09:03 PM
Figured out how the petcock comes off. You unscrew the bowl, then take out the screen. There's a screw there. Duh! :doh:
Rangerscott
05-17-2009, 09:35 PM
she runs!!!!
Rman of 237
05-17-2009, 10:07 PM
:clap::clap::clap: Congrats!!!!:sun::sun:
Rangerscott
05-17-2009, 10:15 PM
Well she doesnt run well and I'm still waiting on the battery and coil. Probably gonna have to find a new spark plug on the internet.
I have video but it plays too fast for some reason.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ZL2bDygoe4&feature=channel_page
Rangerscott
05-20-2009, 09:58 PM
I'm getting a lot of white smoke when revving and under load. She bogs down when I try to take off.
I think she's getting to much fuel but there's only two adjustment screws. One for idle and another I'm guessing is an air needle.
Tim Kreitz
05-20-2009, 11:18 PM
I'm getting a lot of white smoke when revving and under load. She bogs down when I try to take off.
I think she's getting to much fuel but there's only two adjustment screws. One for idle and another I'm guessing is an air needle.
Is there any way to increase the intake air?
Rangerscott
05-20-2009, 11:30 PM
Is there any way to increase the intake air?
Not sure. Trying to find some info on these little carbs.
Gonna check the jet numbers on the new carb to the old carb.
Rangerscott
05-21-2009, 08:38 PM
The stock jets (main & slow) were smaller so I swapped those in. Seemed to help some but she still wants to bog down when under load.
Also checked the timing. Seems to be good.
Tim Kreitz
05-22-2009, 03:53 PM
Take the air filter off and see what happens.
Rman of 237
05-22-2009, 09:02 PM
Like Tim said.. pull the filter and see what it does( be sure the engine's warmed up). Next, make sure the pipe isn't clogged up with dirt. Dirt Daubers love exhaust pipes! That will make it run rich.
Rangerscott
05-22-2009, 11:43 PM
Take the air filter off and see what happens.
Does it with filter on or off.
Tim Kreitz
05-23-2009, 12:23 AM
Hmm. Then I'd check for exhaust blockage, as Rman suggested.
Also, are you sure your premix doesn't have too much oil in it?
Rangerscott
05-23-2009, 12:54 AM
Hmm. Then I'd check for exhaust blockage, as Rman suggested.
Also, are you sure your premix doesn't have too much oil in it?
Its a 4 stroke.
I hope the yammy starts up cause a lot of things are discontinued or expensive.
Tim Kreitz
05-23-2009, 04:36 PM
Its a 4 stroke.
D'oh! :doh:
Shows you how much I know about Hondas. :giveup:
Rman of 237
05-23-2009, 06:51 PM
Uh-oh, Tim's "smokin'" again!:lol2:.....:duck:
Rangerscott
05-23-2009, 09:17 PM
Patched the tires, lubed the bearings (they were all tight), rode her for awhile. Still gutless but running.
Ride vid tomorrow.
Rangerscott
05-31-2009, 06:54 PM
Still no vid. I was sick all last weekend and the work week kept me worn out. I did get a vid but when I was editing it the program froze and I lost the file so I'll get another vid.
I got another problem now. The carb is leaking fuel out the bottom of the bowl. Its a vent and the tube inside goes way up so the think is just filling up with fuel I'm guessing. It just started this today and has NEVER done it before till now.
Still doesnt wanna run without out choke set some, but doesnt run well. Anything over 1/8 throttle she bogs.
I adjusted the valves but they weren't that loose. Cam chain looks nice.
I turned the intake & carb around to how its suppose to and now when it cranks over it just full revs. I have to turn her off. Adjusting the screws does nothing.
I haven't done anything else from what I've already done. I didn't bend any part of the float. The float needle is seating correctly. I guess I'm gonna have to bend the float tabs so is doesnt fill up so much.
I'll check the timing again tomorrow.
Rangerscott
05-31-2009, 10:00 PM
I think I figured out the rough running and having to have the choke on. The replacement carb I have has a bigger venturi than the stock one. About 4mm or more bigger and its oblong shaped instead of round.
Gonna try the bigger jets that came with it again. May need even a bigger main jet.
Gonna keep my eyes open for a stock carb but it isn't gonna be easy finding one of those.
SL350
06-01-2009, 11:15 AM
Still no vid. I was sick all last weekend and the work week kept me worn out. I did get a vid but when I was editing it the program froze and I lost the file so I'll get another vid.
I got another problem now. The carb is leaking fuel out the bottom of the bowl. Its a vent and the tube inside goes way up so the think is just filling up with fuel I'm guessing. It just started this today and has NEVER done it before till now.
>> stuck float (tap it), float too high, or needle above float bad
Still doesnt wanna run without out choke set some, but doesnt run well. Anything over 1/8 throttle she bogs.
>> main jet problem. Clean out jet gently.
I adjusted the valves but they weren't that loose. Cam chain looks nice.
I turned the intake & carb around to how its suppose to and now when it cranks over it just full revs. I have to turn her off. Adjusting the screws does nothing.
>>Slide is in backwards
I haven't done anything else from what I've already done. I didn't bend any part of the float. The float needle is seating correctly. I guess I'm gonna have to bend the float tabs so is doesnt fill up so much.
>>agree
I'll check the timing again tomorrow.
I also suggest turning off the petcock when not in use. Did any gas get into the oil during overflow? Replace oil again.
Remember on the idle there is a speed screw and an idle mixture. Set the idle mixture to 1.5 turns then speed screw to proper idle.
Looks like a fun project.
SL350
06-01-2009, 11:27 AM
I would also check for an air leak between the carb and the manifold. Let it run and spray the gaps with wd-40 and if the rpm changes, you found a leak. Too much air will cause a high speed bog.
Rangerscott
06-01-2009, 06:45 PM
The carb is new. Everything is clean. I added a filter to the line. Throttle cylinder is operating correctly and so is throttle cable.
The main problem is the venturi is bigger so it changed the air flow. I bought a used carb off a XL and it looks exactly the same as the CL one. There's another on one ebay cheap locally so I'll if the dude will end the auction.
Got a surpise.I'll post pics after I'm done later on.
Rangerscott
06-01-2009, 11:03 PM
Got the new tubes/tires on. They are Shinkos 244's.
http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll23/rangerscott/HondaCL70newtires1.jpg
http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll23/rangerscott/HondaCL70newtires2.jpg
Rangerscott
06-07-2009, 09:50 PM
Haven't done much since I'm getting frustrated that she's not running correctly.
I just got done replacing some seals, draining oil, and replacing the point. Tomorrow I'll replace the condensor and recheck the valve clearances.
I'm still waiting on some oem parts which include some spark plugs. So that would be nice if they showed up tomorrow.
Rangerscott
06-09-2009, 12:16 AM
Engine is coming apart.
Gilk51
06-09-2009, 06:33 AM
Engine is coming apart.
Hopefully intentionally! :eek2:
It was good to meet you in Slaton and I'm following your projects now that I have found the thread! :doh:
Good luck with the engine.
Rangerscott
06-09-2009, 06:29 PM
I just cant get her running right and she smokes so gonna start taking the engine apart and see what needs to be done.
I have to see certain parts of the insides to know if I can bore the engine (short rod, is it this or that, etc) and I may order a new head with bigger valves/cam. Just gonna start new and hope she runs right then.
Putting windows in a church in a small town and wouldnt know. 500ft away is a Honda CL70 sitting on a porch. LOL Gonna ask tomorrow if they want to get rid of it.
I need to slow down some on her cause I'm getting burnt out. Won a new honda manual for it (new as in printed in this decade :lol2: ) and should have the engine fully apart this weekend.
Not gonna order any engine parts until I have everything apart for inspection.
Rangerscott
06-11-2009, 11:48 PM
Disassemble!!!!!!!
http://interocitor.com/images/johnny5.jpg
http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll23/rangerscott/Honda%20CL70/CL70rebuild1.jpg
http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll23/rangerscott/Honda%20CL70/CL70rebuild2.jpg
http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll23/rangerscott/Honda%20CL70/CL70rebuild3.jpg
http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll23/rangerscott/Honda%20CL70/CL70rebuild4.jpg
http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll23/rangerscott/Honda%20CL70/CL70rebuild5.jpg
http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll23/rangerscott/Honda%20CL70/CL70rebuild6.jpg
http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll23/rangerscott/Honda%20CL70/CL70rebuild7.jpg
http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll23/rangerscott/Honda%20CL70/CL70rebuild8.jpg
http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll23/rangerscott/Honda%20CL70/CL70rebuild9.jpg
http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll23/rangerscott/Honda%20CL70/CL70rebuild10.jpg
http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll23/rangerscott/Honda%20CL70/CL70rebuild11.jpg
http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll23/rangerscott/Honda%20CL70/CL70rebuild12.jpg
http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll23/rangerscott/Honda%20CL70/CL70rebuild13.jpg
http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll23/rangerscott/Honda%20CL70/CL70rebuild14.jpg
http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll23/rangerscott/Honda%20CL70/CL70rebuild15.jpg
http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll23/rangerscott/Honda%20CL70/CL70rebuild16.jpg
http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll23/rangerscott/Honda%20CL70/CL70rebuild17.jpg
http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll23/rangerscott/Honda%20CL70/CL70rebuild18.jpg
http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll23/rangerscott/Honda%20CL70/CL70rebuild19.jpg
http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll23/rangerscott/Honda%20CL70/CL70rebuild20.jpg
Rangerscott
06-11-2009, 11:51 PM
http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll23/rangerscott/Honda%20CL70/CL70rebuild21.jpg
http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll23/rangerscott/Honda%20CL70/CL70rebuild22.jpg
http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll23/rangerscott/Honda%20CL70/CL70rebuild23.jpg
http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll23/rangerscott/Honda%20CL70/CL70rebuild24.jpg
http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll23/rangerscott/Honda%20CL70/CL70rebuild25.jpg
http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll23/rangerscott/Honda%20CL70/CL70rebuild26.jpg
http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll23/rangerscott/Honda%20CL70/CL70rebuild27.jpg
My ghetto valve spring compressor. Big C-clamp and a 3/4" female threaded copper fitting. I cut a section out of the solder on part and grind down the socket edges. I used this on my vehicle engine rebuild. I had to grind it cause it was a tight fit.
http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll23/rangerscott/Honda%20CL70/CL70rebuild28.jpg
http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll23/rangerscott/Honda%20CL70/CL70rebuild29.jpg
http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll23/rangerscott/Honda%20CL70/CL70rebuild30.jpg
http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll23/rangerscott/Honda%20CL70/CL70rebuild31.jpg
http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll23/rangerscott/Honda%20CL70/CL70rebuild32.jpg
http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll23/rangerscott/Honda%20CL70/CL70rebuild33.jpg
I think one is missing a seal.
http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll23/rangerscott/Honda%20CL70/CL70rebuild34.jpg
http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll23/rangerscott/Honda%20CL70/CL70rebuild35.jpg
http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll23/rangerscott/Honda%20CL70/CL70rebuild36.jpg
Looks like the intake valve has had work done to it.
http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll23/rangerscott/Honda%20CL70/CL70rebuild37.jpg
http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll23/rangerscott/Honda%20CL70/CL70rebuild38.jpg
Check this out. Double spring on this little work horse. My vehicle engine isnt even double spring. LOL
http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll23/rangerscott/Honda%20CL70/CL70rebuild39.jpg
http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll23/rangerscott/Honda%20CL70/CL70rebuild40.jpg
Rangerscott
06-11-2009, 11:52 PM
You can see that the sat at the bottom position and moisture made a ring on the cylinder wall.
http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll23/rangerscott/Honda%20CL70/CL70rebuild41.jpg
http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll23/rangerscott/Honda%20CL70/CL70rebuild42.jpg
Dirty Piston head.
http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll23/rangerscott/Honda%20CL70/CL70rebuild43.jpg
http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll23/rangerscott/Honda%20CL70/CL70rebuild44.jpg
Lot of scuffing.
http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll23/rangerscott/Honda%20CL70/CL70rebuild45.jpg
http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll23/rangerscott/Honda%20CL70/CL70rebuild46.jpg
http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll23/rangerscott/Honda%20CL70/CL70rebuild47.jpg
http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll23/rangerscott/Honda%20CL70/CL70rebuild48.jpg
http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll23/rangerscott/Honda%20CL70/CL70rebuild49.jpg
http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll23/rangerscott/Honda%20CL70/CL70rebuild50.jpg
Luckily the piston is a floating one. Take out one clip, pull rod, and your done.
http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll23/rangerscott/Honda%20CL70/CL70rebuild51.jpg
http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll23/rangerscott/Honda%20CL70/CL70rebuild52.jpg
http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll23/rangerscott/Honda%20CL70/CL70rebuild53.jpg
http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll23/rangerscott/Honda%20CL70/CL70rebuild54.jpg
http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll23/rangerscott/Honda%20CL70/CL70rebuild55.jpg
Clutch adjuster
http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll23/rangerscott/Honda%20CL70/CL70rebuild56.jpg
http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll23/rangerscott/Honda%20CL70/CL70rebuild57.jpg
Right engine case off. Clutch showing.
http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll23/rangerscott/Honda%20CL70/CL70rebuild66.jpg
http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll23/rangerscott/Honda%20CL70/CL70rebuild58.jpg
http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll23/rangerscott/Honda%20CL70/CL70rebuild59.jpg
http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll23/rangerscott/Honda%20CL70/CL70rebuild65.jpg
Oil filter. Yup, just a metal screen. Not even multi layered.
http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll23/rangerscott/Honda%20CL70/CL70rebuild61.jpg
http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll23/rangerscott/Honda%20CL70/CL70rebuild63.jpg
Oil pump.
http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll23/rangerscott/Honda%20CL70/CL70rebuild62.jpg
Stuff stuff stuff O MY!
http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll23/rangerscott/Honda%20CL70/CL70rebuild67.jpg
http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll23/rangerscott/Honda%20CL70/CL70rebuild68.jpg
Rangerscott
09-04-2009, 10:20 PM
GAME ON!!!!
Sorry guys for leaving ya'll out on the clothes line. Finally ordered a new head, piston w/rings, and had the bore honed.
Here's the new head with dual bearing cam. I think my CC's is gonna drop cause the cut out is smaller than the original (if you cant tell then look at how close the valves are).
http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll23/rangerscott/Honda%20CL70/CL70newhead1Large.jpg
http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll23/rangerscott/Honda%20CL70/CL70newhead2Large.jpg
Old head
http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll23/rangerscott/Honda%20CL70/CL70oldhead1Large.jpg
Comparison
http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll23/rangerscott/Honda%20CL70/CL70headcomparison1Large.jpg
http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll23/rangerscott/Honda%20CL70/CL70newhead4Large.jpg
http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll23/rangerscott/Honda%20CL70/CL70newhead5Large.jpg
http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll23/rangerscott/Honda%20CL70/CL70newhead6Large.jpg
http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll23/rangerscott/Honda%20CL70/CL70newhead7Large.jpg
http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll23/rangerscott/Honda%20CL70/CL70newpiston2Large.jpg
http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll23/rangerscott/Honda%20CL70/CL70newrings1Large.jpg
Now I can see that they did valve work once but I'm not sure if the piston bore has been touch but both old and new piston fit kinda loosely in the bore. The old one was nice fit with the rings so maybe thats how its posed to be since it's air cooled.
Rangerscott
09-06-2009, 06:33 PM
Well got pretty much all the engine together but I hit a snag of the valve adjustment. The manual calls for .05mm (.002in) for both intake & exhaust. The exhaust valve is setting correctly but the intake rocker has more movement in it so when I set it to .002in, the piston hits the intake valve. So obviously the intake needs to be set different. I know have to figure that out.
Rman of 237
09-06-2009, 06:58 PM
Well got pretty much all the engine together but I hit a snag of the valve adjustment. The manual calls for .05mm (.002in) for both intake & exhaust. The exhaust valve is setting correctly but the intake rocker has more movement in it so when I set it to .002in, the piston hits the intake valve. So obviously the intake needs to be set different. I know have to figure that out.Are you sure you're not one tooth off on your cam timing?
Rangerscott
09-06-2009, 07:46 PM
I could be but there's no markings. I didn't see anything in the FSM about markings. I'll just have to look again. I just eyeball'd how much the exhaust opens up and matched the intake to it.
The cam is probably different. I just didn't want to take the new head apart.
Rangerscott
09-06-2009, 08:36 PM
New pistons with rings
http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll23/rangerscott/Honda%20CL70/CL70newpiston1Large.jpg
Luckly the piston pin is a floater.
http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll23/rangerscott/Honda%20CL70/CL70newpistoninstall1Large.jpg
Bottom paper gasket with rubber oil seal.
http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll23/rangerscott/Honda%20CL70/CL70newbottomgasket1Large.jpg
Cleaned up cylinder. Also installed a new idle wheel inside it.
http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll23/rangerscott/Honda%20CL70/CL70cleancylinderbore1Large.jpg
Head gasket with two rubber oil seals
http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll23/rangerscott/Honda%20CL70/CL70newpistoninstall2Large.jpg
Rangerscott
09-06-2009, 08:42 PM
Head is nice an clean.
http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll23/rangerscott/Honda%20CL70/CL70cleannewhead1Large.jpg
Everything lining up well
http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll23/rangerscott/Honda%20CL70/CL70newheadassembled2Large.jpg
http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll23/rangerscott/Honda%20CL70/CL70newheadassembled1Large.jpg
Torque down the head and now installing new cam chain.
http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll23/rangerscott/Honda%20CL70/CL70newcamchain2Large.jpg
http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll23/rangerscott/Honda%20CL70/CL70newcamchain1Large.jpg
Putting back clutch cover.
http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll23/rangerscott/Honda%20CL70/CL70clutchcover1Large.jpg
http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll23/rangerscott/Honda%20CL70/CL70clutchcover2Large.jpg
http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll23/rangerscott/Honda%20CL70/CL70clutchcover3Large.jpg
http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll23/rangerscott/Honda%20CL70/CL70clutchcover4Large.jpg
Right engine cover all clean and ready to go on.
http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll23/rangerscott/Honda%20CL70/CL70clutchlevers1Large.jpg
and plate
http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll23/rangerscott/Honda%20CL70/CL70clutchleversplate1Large.jpg
Rangerscott
09-06-2009, 08:47 PM
Right engine cover
http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll23/rangerscott/Honda%20CL70/CL70cleanrightcover1Large.jpg
Make sure this little guy is in.
http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll23/rangerscott/Honda%20CL70/CL70rightcoverpushpin1Large.jpg
http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll23/rangerscott/Honda%20CL70/CL70cleanrightcover2Large.jpg
Here's the right side that has the alternator. Forgot pics of installing the stuff so I'll take the magnet wheel off tomorrow and snap some shots.
http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll23/rangerscott/Honda%20CL70/CL70assembledleftside1Large.jpg
Pretty much done.
http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll23/rangerscott/Honda%20CL70/CL70complete2Large.jpg
Rangerscott
09-07-2009, 07:30 PM
The cam and cam gear was out of alignment. Got that re-done and adjusted the valves and everything was okey dokey.
Took the magnet wheel off to snap some pics.
It's just an aluminum disc w/ big o-ring around it. Two screws hold that down, then everything bolts to that.
http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll23/rangerscott/Honda%20CL70/CL70alternator1Large.jpg
The contact
http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll23/rangerscott/Honda%20CL70/CL70contact1Large.jpg
The ignition pulse
http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll23/rangerscott/Honda%20CL70/CL70ingitionpulse1Large.jpg
Rangerscott
09-07-2009, 08:52 PM
GOT IT RUNNING!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rqeq1LkVm-c
Gilk51
09-11-2009, 10:04 PM
:clap:
Rangerscott
09-11-2009, 10:22 PM
I'll use "running" loosely now. Still having fuel/air management problems. I have three carbs that are identical to the stock one with everything being the same. From jets to the throttle valve size.
Got it to run ok with an identical carb but it would just keep dieing. I tried the chinese knock off but once it fires up, the engine just revs up. I have to control the throttle with the carb's choke. When I do give it throttle it bogs.
Still having problems with fuel just dumping out of the bowls vent tube. Some times it happens and some times it doesnt. So it must be building up pressure still. I'm going to tap a hole in the top valve cover. (I'll get pics) New petcock stinks just as bad as the original one.
I have the contact point adjusted properly and I know I'm getting spark cause it shocked the poop out of me. New spark plug of course.
Got a new throttle cable coming my way. Still working on getting a new kick starter and gas cap.
sz rider
01-09-2010, 09:56 PM
Just got done reading all 4 pages, I picked up a 67 CL90 this week, It appear's to be in pretty close to the same shape as your 70, All Ive done so far is ordered a new ignition switch with keys, petcock and honda tank badges, Good compression,clutch feel's good, Throttle is crusty and it has no spark, will need tire's, The list goes on, Your 70 looks good, You've sure put a lot of work into it, Mine has what appears to be a good carb even though fuel is running out the bowl, I had to put fuel to the carb with a shringe due to bad petcock, I plan on doing maybe one thing per weekend to it and hope I can at least get it to fire. Enjoyed your thread. Im sure Ill have some question's coming soon. SZ.
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