Day ride Aug. 23rd

[Tourmeister]

Howdy,

:tab Okay, got a free weekend again and wanna ride. I'm thinking we'll do the same route we planned for the fundraiser ride. It is about a 250 mile round trip from Hville and back. The roads are lots of fun. We did not get to complete the route due to nasty weather. Same drill as always, be in Hville by 9:30ish am. My address has changed:

1922 20th Street
Huntsville, Tx. 77340
936-295-0187

This is about two blocks from our house. Maps.yahoo.com will still get you right to our driveway.

:tab Plan on the ride taking about 6 hours. So if we leave Huntsville by 10:00am we should be back easily by 4-5pm.

[inigo montoya]

Hey Scott, I might be able to make this one. Is this roughly the same route as our first butt-burner (which ended up being about 500 roundtrip). You know it is long when your credit card call the next day b/c of all the charges in weird places from filling your tank up!

[Tourmeister]

Howdy,

:tab This will be a much shorter route. It is the route we just ran for the fundraiser ride last weekend. It is about 250 miles round trip from Huntsville and back again. Su if you include your extra mileage to and from Huntsville, it should make about a 350 mile day for you. The roads are just as fun as the East Texas stuff, just a little closer. We also found a good place to stop for lunch and minor roadside repairs :lol: Hope you can make it!

[Anne]

Scott,
Being a brand new rider and not having ridden more then about 40 miles at a time (115 total) , is this out of my league? Plus I would have to add the miles from roughly the Navasota area to even get there. I just don't want to "override my abilities or endurance". What do you think? Reminder, I'm riding the Yamaha 650 VStar Custom. Thanks for your sincere input.
Anne

[buck000]

Anne,

I'm not Scott, and don't have nearly as much experience, but that never stopped me from posting a reply, just ask anyone who knows me... :)

I've only been riding a little less than 2 years, and here's what worked for me for the first 1000 miles after taking the MSF course:

* Rode only on decently paved roads in the county, without having to worry about traffic, signals, 18-wheelers, etc. ;)

* No passengers.

* No group rides. :(

I perceive an interesting dynamic when riding in a group. I've found that it's apparently very difficult for folks to slow down to the pace of the slowest rider (i.e., me, usually, as I like to stay around the speed limit); only one group (http://www.ricks-rides.com) I've ridden with does this without fail. So, you can:

1. Ride alone most of the time. Kind of a what's the point deal, but if you know the route, you can meet up with the group to eat. ;)

2. Try to keep up. At this point, this could range from risky to deadly for you.

3. Take the lead, and have people follow you. I don't personally do this, as I don't like thinking about holding up the group and being observed.

4. Some other options I haven't thought of.

I currently do #1, and occasionally #2, on a group ride.

With all due respect, a group ride might be risky or, at best, kind of uncomfortable, at this point.

Your Mileage May Vary. ;)

All the best,

Paul
'01 aprilia

[Tourmeister]

Howdy Anne,

Being a brand new rider and not having ridden more then about 40 miles at a time (115 total) , is this out of my league? Plus I would have to add the miles from roughly the Navasota area to even get there. I just don't want to "override my abilities or endurance". What do you think? Reminder, I'm riding the Yamaha 650 VStar Custom. Thanks for your sincere input.

:tab This is a touchy subject for some people. There are those that would say, "If you have a license and a bike, do anything you like!" I would not be one of them :wink: I tend to think more like Paul (Buck000) in the previous post. I think it is important for a new rider to spend time either alone or with maybe one or two other riders at the most until the newbie gets very comfortable on their bike.

:tab Here is my reasoning. As Paul mentioned, on group rides, there is a whole new group dynamic that is not friendly to newbies. Very few people like to be left behind. Faster riders may try to go slow but their idea of slow may be the newbie's idea of terrifying. It seems that no matter how many times it is stressed that the newbie should ride at a comfortable pace, the newbies fall back and succumb to the feeling that they need to catch up and that they don't want to be holding up everyone else. This can, and often does, lead to nasty results.

:tab Here is what we did when my wife first started riding. Her and I would ride almost every evening after work. Fortunately we have lots of nice FM roads around here that are darn near perfect for this. I always let her lead and I would hang back a pretty good distance. This let her set the pace that she found comfortable, kept me from pressuring her from behind, and let her relax because she knew if she had a problem I was seconds away and would see her and not be running off ahead oblivious to her. On group rides, it is pretty much impossible to put the newbies at the front where they really should be.

:tab I would do this small two to three person group riding for at least a few thousand miles before trying to do a larger group ride with riders that you have never ridden with. All is not lost though. I have been doing rides and trips specfically for newbie riders. I still lead the ride, but we have the new riders spread throughout the group with experienced riders, and an experienced rider brings up the rear so we don't lose anyone. The pace is usually the speed limit only. If the group starts to fade back, I slow the pace until everyone can keep up. Even taking these measures, there are still times that the group dynamic can rear its' ugly head and we have to be on guard for it. On the newbie rides, we also stress proper riding and handling techniques that many newbies may not be aware of or are struggling with. The experienced riders are available for the newbies to get pointers and also to give the newbies contructive criticism. The routes are also usually shorter because of the slower pace.

:tab This particular ride is NOT going to be a newbie ride. Sorry :wink: We will be riding sportbikes on some fairly technical roads and at a spirited pace that would not be conducive to new riders, especially on cruisers. If there is enough interest, I will gladly try to do more newbie rides. :-D This particular ride will be about 250 miles round trip from Huntsville and back. Often times we will do over 400 miles round trip on the same day. The distance, speed, and heat really will tax your endurance if you are not used to such riding.

:tab If you live in Navasota, you have some excellent roads to ride that are perfect for practicing your skills. Head to Anderson on Hwy 90, then run FM 149 all the way through Richards to Montgomery. Have breakfast, lunch or dinner as the case may be at King's Cafe. The cafe is on 149 about a block North of Hwy 105. The run down through the Sam Houston National Forest on FM 149 is smooth and curvy. Ride it until you are comfortable with it and you will be well on your way to attending lots of group rides. FM 3090 to Carlos is also nice and they are in the process of repaving it. However, take 3090 nice and easy as there are a few nasty corners and often gravel in most of the corners.

:tab The key to being a good rider in the long term is to take your time and be patient. To go fast, you must go slow. Lots of new riders want to achieve old timer status without paying their dues and they wind up paying with their pride and pocketbook! Keep doing the little afternoon and evening rides, ride every chance you get, and before long you will be doing fine.

:tab I highly recommend you buy a copy of "Proficient Motorcycling" (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/1889540536/qid=1061268494/sr=1-1/ref=sr_1_1/002-4650237-5548823?v=glance&s=books) by David Hough and "Twist of the Wrist II" (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0965045021/ref=pd_sim_books_3/002-4650237-5548823?v=glance&s=books) by Kieth Code. Code's book is track oriented, but the principles are EXACTLY the same for controlling the bike on the track or on the street!! His info about survival reactions is priceless. Of course, don't be afraid to ask questions here. There are a lot of experienced riders that would be more than happy to help you out. :mrgreen:

[Anne]

To Paul and Scott
Thank you both so much for your input. I wasn't aware of the varying group dynamics. Does sound a bit too challenging at this point. My husband and I have been riding with me in the lead so if, as you said, there is a problem he is right there. FM3090 worries me a little due to the ongoing construction and gravel but some of the others sound like fun. Have made the trip to Anderson but not further south or east. I think we will continue riding like we have for a few more thousand miles. Maybe by then, a real group ride will be appropriate.
Again, thanks alot both for the info and for providing a site like this where we can ask the questions and get friendly and helpful answers.
Anne

[John Bennett]

Scott, could you briefly name the towns on the route and what restaurant you intend to eat at?

I may be riding west Saturday and thought I might try to cross paths with you guys.

[Tourmeister]

Howdy John,

:tab Well, if we actually get away from here at 10:00am, we should be doing lunch sometime after 1:00pm. We will be stopping at a place called the Pioneer Cafe at the intersection of Hwy 7 and FM 811, about 6 miles East of Centerville on Hwy 7. It is the only building for miles.

:tab We'll be running up FM 1511 to FM 831, FM 831 to Buffalo, then backtracking FM 831 to Oakwood, backtracking again on 831 to FM 1151 and back to Hwy 7. I don't have my maps here, but there is a road that cuts West from FM 1119 through Leona at I-45 over to FM 3. Those are all really fun roads. FM 831 is a little rough in a few places so it can get a little exciting, good suspension really pays off here ;-)

[AggieVFR]

Anne,

I live in College Station and I ride in your neck of the woods pretty often. I recommend that you and your husband take a stroll up 105 west to FM390. It is curvy in places, but not as tight as 3090 and the road has generally been in better condition than 3090. It is on the Texas Bluebonnet trail, so it is a scenic ride. Lots of rolling hills and nice gentle curves. I could show ya'll around that area some weekend if you like. The Aggie Football schedule may make scheduling a little difficult in the fall, but my class schedule should afford me some time away from studying this fall. :) I have to say that large group rides tend to put undue pressure on new riders, so I agree with Paul and Scott. I've been riding for almost 3 years and I still don't like to ride in large groups or with irresponsible riders. Small, supportive groups are what a newbie needs when trying to learn the basics of riding. My best friend will be riding for the first time this fall, so I imagine we can schedule some nice and easy (but still fun :wink: ) rides for when it cools off some. Hope you're enjoying that new bike!

[buck000]

We will be riding sportbikes on some fairly technical roads and at a spirited pace

Bummer, I was thinking about blowing off my tai chi class Saturday and coming up, but I don't wanna ride alone most of the time, like I did with a few Beemerphiles this past Sunday... :)

[Tourmeister]

but I don't wanna ride alone most of the time

:tab I will be running speed limit +5 or so. One or two others may ride ahead. Beth will be riding a very nice and relaxed pace, you'd easily outrun her. However, she is seldom far behind because we slow down quite often to regather the group. When we stop, she almost never takes more than about thirty seconds to bring up the rear. Also, I make a habit of regularly counting headlights until I can account for everybody or slow down until I can see everyone. I really don't think it would be a problem for you. It will be a short route so we won't be having to haul butt to get back home at a decent time. You are still welcome to spend the night at our place. We have room for the bike in the garage and TONS of space inside for people to sleep.

[buck000]

Hmmm, pending approval from the One Who Matters Most In My Life, I think I'm there! :-D

[Tourmeister]

Coming over Friday evening or Saturday morning? Drag Andy with you!

[VFRinAustin]

Coming over Friday evening or Saturday morning? Drag Andy with you!

Thats the plan. 8)

Got the Ok from the Mrs so I plan on being there. Will be coming out Saturday morning though. I figure is I get out of here around 6:30 I should be there before you leave at 10 (all gassed up and ready to go)>

[buck000]

My OWMMIML gave the okay, with that stern look, so I'll be coming (with Andy), but will be feeling guilty about it... :-D

ohboyohboyohboy...

[bluedogok]

I have been in a group ride before when someone who is experienced (but doesn't get frustrated by riding off the pace) to ride at the back like a coach. So he can gather up everyone off the pace, make sure everyone is accounted for and be able to constructively critique the newbie. It is important not to make people riding off the pace feel bad for being a slower rider..

Set a stopping point and wait until everyone arrives with a little break time for all. This way, it gives the coach some time to go over things with the newbie. I have found this to be helpful for some people willing to take advice, I have been the coach in the past when I rode more.

You just need someone who can deliver in a real-world way without being overbearing and hyper-critical. Remember, most new riders learn in small increments, try not to overload them with advice They still may be digesting and applying what they learned in the MSF class. Build on the most important and then work down to sharpen technique.

Just a thought.

[scratch]

I'm going to try to make this one so I can meet a few more of you folks face-to-face. Also haven't ridden the Buffalo area in almost a year. FM 977 is the road through Leona to Hwy 3 that Scott hinted at; it has a couple of fun sections worth turning around and doing again... :twisted:

[Tourmeister]

I'm going to try to make this one so ....

Cool! :mrgreen:

[Achim]

I agree with all the critical voices that warn newbies to go on a fairly long group trip where a decent pace will be maintained. I can attest to the group dynamics. Unless the group is split this can't be fun for somebody who just learned the basics. In hindsight it seems easy but I remember very clearly how scared I got a couple times when I went into a corner too hot. This memory helped me to understand my sister last year when we went on a long trip from Austin to Big Bend and New Mexico and back. She just had received her license in Germany and had maybe 300 miles riding experience. Sometimes I was almost upset about her being so slow (even on the straights!). But I quickly realized that I would be much more upset and scared if she rode recklessly which she fortunately never did. ;-) Anyway, the first two days were pretty strenouos and not much fun especially for her. Then it got better although I have to say that even after more than 2000 miles she wasn't exactly speeding through corners. Learning to take corners fast but safe takes practice unless one does not value his life (or is an outstanding talent?).

[Tourmeister]

Hehe... Achim likes to hang right there with me when we go into squid mode... He carries a LOT more corner speed than I do though :eek:

[Tourmeister]

Hey Paul,

:tab When are you and Andy coming over? Friday or Saturday? Are you wanting to stay over Saturday evening or will you be heading home after the ride?

[buck000]

Scott,

We're gonna try a single day ride. We'll try to be there by 9:30 or so. I believe Andy wants to be back SW of Austin by early evening, so he may cut out early (he tends to do that ;) ). I plan on riding the full 250 or so, then mosey back to Round Rock...

[Tourmeister]

Sounds good. See you Sat morning.

[sbaker33]

I may be able to make it out on Saturday as my mother in law is staying with us and my wife is very caring and understandingand so will, most likely, let me be gone for the day :roll:

I will give the little Ninjette the once over before heading up there but we should be good to go.

Look forward to meeting everyone.

-sbaker

[kawi jm]

I'll probably be there, but I am a little reluctant. I've been cleared to do cornerwork on the Labor day track day @ TWS, and I want plenty of tire for the track. Scott as you know the M1's are not exactly touring tires. WTH i'll try and make it. You need someone to hang on your back tire right? :moon:

[kawi jm]

I almost forgot I have a birthday party to attend...so :roll:

[wrightsc]

I'm gonna try to at least make an appearance but I'm on call this weekend and covering 5 hospitals..... :angryfir:

Steve

[Anonymous]

Barring weather I should be there. Is this a rain or shine ride? They are saying 40-50% TS. Hot as it is you can't really prep for rain without getting so hot you pass out. Unless it's storming at the house in the morning I will try that 149 route you mentioned.

How long would you think Scott from 290/1960 through the forest to your place?

[Tourmeister]

:tab This time of year, it can be beautiful when we leave and then get wet in a matter of minutes once we are out on the road. I will be taking my rainsuit as always. I won't go looking for rain, but if a thunder shower pops up, I won't necessarily pull over to sit it out. Now, if it is really nasty, I'll find cover if possible and wait out the worst of it. Right now, most of the rain we have been getting has be the evening stuff that starts brewing around 5-6pm and quits by about 8-9pm. Even if something does brew up, it is usually isolated and we can get around it with a little route revision.

:tab We should easily be back in Huntsville by about 4:00pm. For the Austin guys, there are a few good places where you can ride 75% of the route and still cut off for home at a good convenient place.

:tab From Austin to here it is about 2-1/2 to 3 hours depending on stops and what pace you run. From 290/1960 I think it is about 1 hour. I have never made that run, but that is where most of the Houston people meet before coming up, so maybe one of them can let us know?

:tab For the Austin guys, I can suggest some fun roads if you want to leave early and take your time getting here. Otherwise, 290 to Hwy 105 in Brenham, 105 to Navasota, Hwy 90 to Anderson and then Roans Prarie, Hwy 30 right into Huntsville. I like to run FM 149 from Anderson to FM 1791 and then come up to Hwy 30 a few miles outside of Huntsville. Much more fun and scenic and not really out of the way at all. Just be careful going through Richards on 149 as there are four sharp nineties in town that eat bikes on a regular basis.

[Anonymous]

Scott, hey I appear to have forgotten my log in info. as my home computer does it automatically. Actually the outlook for tomorrows' weather is getting better not worse so count me (Jeff, "inigo montoya")in. I'm estimating about an hour and a half from 290/1960 (Cyfair area houston). See ya tomorrow

[Tourmeister]

:tab Cool Jeff! Bringing your wife? ;-) This will be a good ride for her. It won't be too long, the pace will be more relaxed, and there will be other ladies present as well.

[Anonymous]

Scott,

I am thinking of coming out to your place in the morning to meet some of the people from the forum. What time is everyone getting there? I will drop you a line tonight if I am sure I am coming out.

Kelly
username KJM-B12

[Anne]

Hey Chris,
I sent you a private message but don't know if you got it. Thanks for the offer. Does 390 run north off 105 and go through William Penn? Where does it come out, maybe Independence? Being from College Station (actually all my life, my dad is a retired prof) I'm sure I have driven down that road sometime in the years past. Will have to check it out. It is going to be pretty hectic with the football season (I have to work all the games) but maybe between the games and your studying, we can work a ride in. My husband (Jim) and I are both A&M grads. Whoop!
Anne

[Tourmeister]

Class of '91! Aerospace Engineering. 2%'er :-P

[buck000]

Moved to this thread (http://www.twtex.com/viewtopic.php?p=2861#2861)

[scratch]

If you'd posted this any quicker, it would have to have been in real-time! :chug:


The Pioneer cafe, unsure where, exactly (Scott?), but they make a great bacon cheeseburger (the every day special)

It's at the intersection of Hwy 7 and FM 811 - B.F.E., in other words. :mrgreen: :wink:
Besides making an outstanding burger, they also gave us excellent, friendly service. Good AC too.



The aprilia loses to the Triumph in an impromptu Orange Contest

So... wanna trade? :wink: Hey Paul, your splendid Futura doesn't lose on ANY count! 8)

__________________________

I'll second your sentiments about the ride and the riders - it was lots of fun. Thank you, Scott!

[Tourmeister]

buck000, howsa bout posting this in the ride report forum? I won't be able to get to a report for some time as we are leaving for Arkansas tomorrow morning for a week of riding. I'll eventually post a report as well. For now, here are the pics:

TWT Aug. 23rd ride (http://twtex.com/linkfiles/TWTride082303/)

[VFRinAustin]

I won't be able to get to a report for some time as we are leaving for Arkansas tomorrow morning for a week of riding.

Oh Phttttttttttttttttttttttt!!!!!!!!!!


Thanks Scott for leading us all over creation. It was a lot of fun meeting everyone. What a great day for a ride. I made it back to Austin just after 5pm (about 2-1/2 hours ride) and was really glad that I had made the efort to get out for this.

I agree with Paul, and Paul, that it was a great group of Guys and Girls and a good route. Maybe next time Beth can even hang with us a little longer.

Hope you all have fun in AR and hope to see you all again soon.

:-D

BTW: Paul, we've seen the pics, now where is the video? :lol:

[Anonymous]

After reading the quick trip summary from Paul and seeing all the pics taken by Scott I am sorry that I missed out on all the fun. I sure hope that I am available to stick around longer for the next ride. It was good to meet all of you if only for 20 minutes. It was a long 80 miles riding alone back to my home in NW Hou but on my way home thru Conroe, TX I stopped off at Cycle Shack North and picked me up a Joe Rocket Phoenix Jacket on sale for 85 bucks. MMMMMMM I got a new riding jacket and met some new riding friends all before lunch, I guess that counts as a pretty good day.

See you all next time,

Kelly (The silver Bandit that couldn't stay and play all day)