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Red Brown
04-14-2012, 11:04 AM
Same basic spec's as a WR plus it also has fuel injection. It should be introduced into the US market later this year.

:clap:

RB

http://blog.motorcycle.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/022912-2012-honda-crf250l-1.jpg

RollingJ
04-14-2012, 02:29 PM
I will be getting one of these, mark my words.

MaxxTraxx
04-14-2012, 02:47 PM
Cool bike for sure.

Ouroboros
04-14-2012, 04:19 PM
A 350 would be more fun.

JMZ
04-14-2012, 06:36 PM
A 350 would be more fun.


And a 650 is even more funner than that :lol2:

TwoSmokeDS
04-14-2012, 07:47 PM
Seat looks very low. So the bike probably will only have 6" suspension travel, sucky suspension. I think WR is over 10". Looks like this CRF is just another play bike, like its predecessor the CRF230L. Not going to be a WR clone. But at least the Honda will be lighter than the very heavy WR. But I wonder if the FI will add extra weight.

CBRider
04-14-2012, 09:16 PM
Seat looks very low. So the bike probably will only have 6" suspension travel, sucky suspension. I think WR is over 10". Looks like this CRF is just another play bike, like its predecessor the CRF230L. Not going to be a WR clone. But at least the Honda will be lighter than the very heavy WR. But I wonder if the FI will add extra weight.

Here is a link to the specs:
http://blog.motorcycle.com/2012/04/13/manufacturers/honda/2012-honda-crf250l-specs-released/

The seat height is 875mm or about 34.4"
Front travel 250mm or 9.8"
Rear travel 240mm ir 9.4"

It looks like a nice little bike. What's wrong with another choice?

TwoSmokeDS
04-14-2012, 09:39 PM
My bad. Looks like it has much better suspension than previous CRF. But the weight though. 315 pounds. Getting close to BRP.

Ouroboros
04-16-2012, 08:32 AM
And a 650 is even more funner than that :lol2:


My 630 is just about right.

ed29
04-16-2012, 09:09 AM
Boy... it is really close on the spec sheet. From the transmission to the small gas tank to the high factory gearing of the chain and sprockets it looks very close. I read where the valve train uses a rocker system like my old air cooled XR did. That was reliable as gravity itself for me.

I don't see myself dumping the WR that I have accessorized to fit my riding to get this Honda, but I look forward to seeing it in person and riding with folks that snag them.

Hood Ornament
04-16-2012, 09:12 AM
Here is a link to the specs:
http://blog.motorcycle.com/2012/04/13/manufacturers/honda/2012-honda-crf250l-specs-released/

The seat height is 875mm or about 34.4"
Front travel 250mm or 9.8"
Rear travel 240mm ir 9.4"

It looks like a nice little bike. What's wrong with another choice?

While it's an improvement over the 230, it's still not that close to the WRR. The forks on the Honda are only 43 mm, the WRR's are 46 mm. The travel on the WRR is still almost a full inch more on the front and is an inch more on the back. Ground clearance favors the WRR by over an inch and the CRF weighs in at at around 20 lbs more then the WRR, which on small bikes like these is significant.

I'm sure shorter riders that aren't used to riding off road bikes would appreciate the lower CRF.

ed29
04-16-2012, 09:21 AM
For the record my WRR weighed in at about 305 with an empty gas tank. Once you add two gallons of gas (12 pounds) you are right there with the new CRF which shows a wet weight of 315 pounds.

Interpret the specs as you wish, but comparing dry weight to wet weight can go either way and make either one seem lighter on paper than the other. On the road, or off a couple of pounds either way is not going to be felt when the bike weighs in around 300.

Hood Ornament
04-16-2012, 11:11 AM
Yamaha claims 298 wet. Not surprised it weighs more. Of course Honda's claims are usually the worst at being understated. My '04 CRF450R had a claimed curb weight of 225 lbs but it was actually 240 with no gas. Wouldn't be surprised to see the Honda to come in at 335 real wet weight.

XRSDD74
04-16-2012, 12:45 PM
I'm just glad to see Honda do something with there dualsport line up.

Mudclod
05-29-2012, 10:20 PM
Pricing just released, WOW! http://hellforleathermagazine.com/2012/05/honda-crf250l-coming-to-us-priced-at-4499/#more-24491

M38A1
05-29-2012, 10:28 PM
Pricing just released, WOW! http://hellforleathermagazine.com/2012/05/honda-crf250l-coming-to-us-priced-at-4499/#more-24491



Honda CRF250L coming to US, priced at $4,499

At more than $2,000 cheaper than the Yamaha WR250R, the Honda CRF250L will be sold in the US as a 2013 model. The all-new bikes takes advantage of low-cost manufacturing at the same factory in Thailand that produces the CBR250R to combine high specification with a low price, creating an accessible, capable dual-sport.

Robert K
05-29-2012, 10:28 PM
Pricing just released, WOW! http://hellforleathermagazine.com/2012/05/honda-crf250l-coming-to-us-priced-at-4499/#more-24491

Oh boy, this is getting interesting. Can't wait to see one of these.

AusFletch
05-29-2012, 10:39 PM
Sign me up.

I have been planning to downsize my DR650 this summer anyhow.

Anyone in market for a bike only ridden to church on Sundays? It was tipped over in the driveway by the previous owner once...
http://ausfletch.smugmug.com/Travel/Big-Bend-Feb-2012-Mark-Todd/i-Kv6vghX/0/M/IMG2969-M.jpg

TwoSmokeDS
05-29-2012, 10:57 PM
It looks like a nice little bike. What's wrong with another choice?

My guess is Honda is going to kill the CRF230L when the 250 comes out. The 230 has one of the lowest seat height dualsport. The 250 is no longer low. There's less and less option for people with short legs. I wish they would offer a version with reduced suspension travel. Not everybody needs 12" of travel.

Mudclod
05-29-2012, 11:28 PM
Sign me up.

I have been planning to downsize my DR650 this summer anyhow.

Anyone in market for a bike only ridden to church on Sundays? It was tipped over in the driveway by the previous owner once...
http://ausfletch.smugmug.com/Travel/Big-Bend-Feb-2012-Mark-Todd/i-Kv6vghX/0/M/IMG2969-M.jpgMan, I like your driveway! Can I come and visit, ha!

jqueen
05-29-2012, 11:44 PM
That's the previous owner's driveway. :>

JasonJ
05-30-2012, 09:48 AM
Honda CRF250L coming to US, priced at $4,499

At more than $2,000 cheaper than the Yamaha WR250R, the Honda CRF250L will be sold in the US as a 2013 model. The all-new bikes takes advantage of low-cost manufacturing at the same factory in Thailand that produces the CBR250R to combine high specification with a low price, creating an accessible, capable dual-sport.

dang, at that price i'll take two, one for me and one for the missus. bet they sell a ton.

EncoreJoe
05-30-2012, 06:43 PM
Sign me up.

I have been planning to downsize my DR650 this summer anyhow.

Anyone in market for a bike only ridden to church on Sundays? It was tipped over in the driveway by the previous owner once...


Actually, yes I am! What have you got there?

DaveC
05-31-2012, 01:28 AM
Honda CRF250L coming to US, priced at $4,499

At more than $2,000 cheaper than the Yamaha WR250R, the Honda CRF250L will be sold in the US as a 2013 model. The all-new bikes takes advantage of low-cost manufacturing at the same factory in Thailand that produces the CBR250R to combine high specification with a low price, creating an accessible, capable dual-sport.

I was thinking "hey the last years model may be going for a song!" Wrong or unless your a pop artist. The cycletrader has them(230l) for the same asking price.:doh: I'm gonna need more tips.

ed29
05-31-2012, 06:18 AM
I wouldn't worry about the 230 going away. After all, it and its XR200 predecessor outlived the XR250. Being such a different bike with a different target market increases the chance the 230 will go on. Yamaha shows that it works as their comparable offering to the 230 is the XT250 which compliments the WRR.

AusFletch
05-31-2012, 10:26 AM
Actually, yes I am! What have you got there?

PM'd you. :rider:

thumpergirl
06-18-2012, 02:28 PM
My guess is Honda is going to kill the CRF230L when the 250 comes out. The 230 has one of the lowest seat height dualsport. The 250 is no longer low. There's less and less option for people with short legs. I wish they would offer a version with reduced suspension travel. Not everybody needs 12" of travel.

I second this, however, usually where there is a will... there is a way. I've managed to get the WR250R (stock height is almost 37" i think) to a manageable height. i have a 29" inseam, or thereabouts.

i currently own a crf230l and am pretttty dern interested in meeting this new XR that will compete with the WR. great price tag on that thing, I'm betting they'll hold their value well.

thumpergirl
06-18-2012, 02:37 PM
check out Rick Ramseys spec comparison table...

http://rickramsey.net/WR250RvsCRF250L.htm


everything on this bike looks awesome (including the 2" shorter seat height) EXCEPT the weight. 22 lbs heavier? blech. guess you can't have it all.

MSRP on the Honda is $2K less. That's impressive.

Anyway, great page for comparison of the two.

TwoSmokeDS
06-18-2012, 04:32 PM
I second this, however, usually where there is a will... there is a way. I've managed to get the WR250R (stock height is almost 37" i think) to a manageable height. i have a 29" inseam, or thereabouts.


Yes, for veteran offroad rider, no problem. But will deter a lot of short legged newbs. I've been trying to convince my buddy who ride a cruiser to give dualsport a try. But after seating on my 33" XR200, he thinks that too tall!

IndyRC
06-18-2012, 04:42 PM
Looks like a neat bike and can't wait to see it, but I was hoping for specs more like the WR.

thumpergirl
06-18-2012, 04:44 PM
Looks like a neat bike and can't wait to see it, but I was hoping for specs more like the WR.

just curious as to which specs in particular it is that you are referring to. ground clearance? weight? something else?

IndyRC
06-18-2012, 04:54 PM
just curious as to which specs in particular it is that you are referring to. ground clearance? weight? something else?

I'd say suspension and weight. Not that I necessarily think I need the extra travel, but I guess when I look at buying the CR vs the WR it's one thing in the WR's favor along with the weight. And I'd have to admit that even though I have 2 Yammi's, I'm a Honda fan and was hoping to see them knock it out of the park so to speak. But I love the looks and price and certainly plan to take a serious look at them next year.

ed29
06-19-2012, 07:54 AM
That weight difference is less than ten percent. Not enough to affect the riding experience for the vast majority of riders. It's not like this is a race bike anyway. The lower suspension profile of the Honda will mask this difference too.

I hope to get a chance to throw a leg over one of these and compare it to my current WRR.

sodapop
06-19-2012, 09:10 AM
If I already had a WRR, I certainly wouldn't trade it for this bike. But a new rider or someone shopping for a new dual sport would be pretty tempted I think. This Honda is clearly not as good as the WRR, but I bet most people won't think it's $2K worse. Plus, that sexy Honda Red sells a lot of bikes.