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morfic 09-12-2017 08:18 PM

2017 F700GS
 
I have my 2017 F700GS a month now (~840 miles) and since the break-in service came and went, I thought I share some experiences with the bike, mostly because I just love the bike, but also because I think I could write this so it'll be useful for people wondering about getting a F700GS later. (I just can't keep myself short it seems)

I drove it off the lot with 2 miles on it. (No, no test ride done because I was pretty sure it is “it”)
I read a lot about the vibrations people experience with the rider's hands going numb from Vibration, since I got to take it home over I10 to 410 I got some good RPMs going and WOW did the handle bar vibrate my hands numb quick.
Was everything I read actually the norm and not the exception?
It didn't stop me, BMW suggests twisty roads for break in so the next day being a Sunday, I took it out to the Hill Country and enjoyed the **** out of that ride, was also surprised by how well the mesh jacket worked (glad I got that suggestion from TWT members).
My hands were numb again, it didn't deter me, I'd get used to it as it's just such a great bike to ride.
During the week I drove it to work and back every day but couldn't wait for next Sunday, back to Hill Country, having a good time, got a lot of waves back, felt great, who cares about numb hands?
During the week just the commuter experience but it dawned on me nothing is getting numb.
I couldn't quite tell since when the vibrations in handle bar were gone, thought maybe it's just because I drove lower gears and lower RPMs on city streets, figured probably a misobservation.
Figured the next Sunday would tell, but while Harvey missed us, I stayed grounded because I was I'll equipped for anything but blistering heat.
More city driving during week and I was certain it's just smoother and there is no vibration.
Actually it's just quieter overall, so quiet I hear myself clunk gears in, or am I? Drove myself nuts as that made me think about shifting, when it's actually just automated motions, terrible, this just can't be, did everything to ensure clutch would fully separate, read up about preloading, don't have the balls to go clutchless.
Noticed it's smooth shifting when I shifted still in friction zone…that doesn't make sense, never had to do that….odd, kept aiming at friction zone and yeah shifts nice there, so let's keep doing that.
Trips to Cycle Gear gave me a chance to experience higher gears and RPMs and yes, it's not shaking my hands numb.
Following Saturday I drove to Alamo BMW to get alarm installed and break-in service done, what a fun bike, so smooth, actually so much quieter, what's that noise I'm hearing? Oh the bike is so quiet I can hear my Anakee III? Wow that bike is quiet.
After service back home over I10, no extra trips because people sucked the city dry, no gas for fun activities.
Shifts easier and is quieter since service? Maybe, buy I'm likely biased because that's what I read a lot of people say happened after service.
No gas? What to do on Sunday then?
Put on SW-Motech Skidplate! (Only one I saw came with mounting hardware for 2017 and didn't suggest to use the OEM Skidplate hardware...which I don't have)
Put on Puig engine guards! (Listed as supporting 2017 F700GS and looked good)
Not ready for a Givi Aeroflow I decided to try the MRA X-CREEN Sport with clip on mount, mounted it and got it ready for not keeping air from me in city because I like the air at 90+F weather.
Tuesday after labor day I finally drove it again knowing I'll need every drop of gas in this dry town.
What I noticed was that there was a different feel and sound about the bike, I expected to possibly need sound deadening material for skid plate, based on some complaints I read online. I found I heard my engine less or different, in a good way, everything came across more exact, nothing louder or annoying and yes I heard the Anakee III at lower speeds too. Too cool I'm having my cake and get to eat it too? I'll take it.

Where I had put the X-CREEN the airflow was certainly affected. On another trip to Cycle Gear, I experimented with higher and higher positions to find a high speed setting and absolutely didn't keep airflow from hitting my face dead center. It's like the air now just goes between X-CREEN and stock windscreen allowing air to flow as it always does. So decided to move it lower to break that up and cause a different flow. Air keeps sneaking between both screens.
So I looked how I can ensure I deflect the still occurring main flow over the OEM windscreen and it looks like I can by going behind the OEM screen with the X-CREEN, that worked best of all attempts, need a longer ride in that configuration to be sure if it stays put, reversing it isn't in the design as it gets wider than the OEM screen allows. (For reference I'm 6'2" and air stream hits me just about at the eyes, I feel great on the bike, not cramped, but the OEM screen wasn't meant for me)

What happens when the bike gets quieter and quieter? You find it needs something changing that exhaust, none truly affect power in a huge way, so do we want to drop $750? No, we want one that doesn't promise performance, just a nicer tone.
Delkevic does have well received F800GS slip ons, not listed for F700GS…luckily a F800Riders member knew how to give me the certainty I sought, a way to compare OEM numbers of exhausts realoem.com gives a pedant like my the undeniable facts needed to place that order.
Since Delkevic hadn't replied yet about my question about which size and shape gives an non obnoxious sound I pounced on the 18” Oval, figuring the smaller it gets the louder it would be.
Oval vs Tri-Oval vs round I did based on looks. (The day I received the exhaust I also got a reply from Delkevic confirming my size guess. And they let me know that the shape is decorative as they're all the same size internally independent of shape, when I told her I already ordered and that they likely could sell more if they listed it as fitting the F700GS, she said they would but are waiting on a spacer to add to the kit.
Honestly I have no idea what they could add, as it fits perfect.)
I put it on kind of late so didn't truly get to hear it until the next day.
And it's perfect for my taste, reminds me a lot of my old thumper now.
Won't drive me nuts on longer rides, can barely hear it when cruising, only when accelerating, best $215 I could have spent on an exhaust.
No remapping needed.

The bike only needs one more thing before it's done (bet you never heard that before “just one more thing”)
A Corbin seat or Sargent maybe, thing is I love my gray seat on my bike so I won't pounce unless I get a gray comfort seat.
Stock bench I have a one hour *** on, that's unfortunately something that doesn't seem to fix itself.
Comfort seats at least will be “it” if the Airhawk Dual Sport cushion doesn't work out for me.

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...2923666bcd.jpg

To be clear, I am sitting on an internal combustion engine, everyone can feel that and there are vibrations telling you that, but they do not shake your handle bar to numb your hands. And that changed between driving it off the lot and break-in.
Current gas situation also shows you'll feel poor gas quality, I know I do.
The vibrations are very “tight”, “directed” or “behaved” if I had to try putting a label to the vibrations that are there.

Hope this ends up useful for someone, if not, it's still a great love letter to my bike.

Daniel

Couple a small blips with Stock Exhaust: https://youtu.be/s6b4g7np97M

And Delkevic Exhaust: https://youtu.be/2hSXbu8EvI0

I think they were enough to demo the change, all depends on what device you listen to this.

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duchess 09-12-2017 08:57 PM

Re: 2017 F700GS
 
It's the most fun bike I've ridden to date cept for my z50 ��

Mudslick 09-12-2017 09:08 PM

Re: 2017 F700GS
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by morfic (Post 1521912)
I have my 2017 F700GS a month now (~840 miles) and since the break-in service came and went, I thought I share some experiences with the bike, mostly because I just love the bike, but also because I think I could write this so it'll be useful for people wondering about getting a F700GS later. (I just can't keep myself short it seems)

I drove it off the lot with 2 miles on it. (No, no test ride done because I was pretty sure it is “it”)
I read a lot about the vibrations people experience with the rider's hands going numb from Vibration, since I got to take it home over I10 to 410 I got some good RPMs going and WOW did the handle bar vibrate my hands numb quick.
Was everything I read actually the norm and not the exception?
It didn't stop me, BMW suggests twisty roads for break in so the next day being a Sunday, I took it out to the Hill Country and enjoyed the **** out of that ride, was also surprised by how well the mesh jacket worked (glad I got that suggestion from TWT members).
My hands were numb again, it didn't deter me, I'd get used to it as it's just such a great bike to ride.
During the week I drove it to work and back every day but couldn't wait for next Sunday, back to Hill Country, having a good time, got a lot of waves back, felt great, who cares about numb hands?
During the week just the commuter experience but it dawned on me nothing is getting numb.
I couldn't quite tell since when the vibrations in handle bar were gone, thought maybe it's just because I drove lower gears and lower RPMs on city streets, figured probably a misobservation.
Figured the next Sunday would tell, but while Harvey missed us, I stayed grounded because I was I'll equipped for anything but blistering heat.
More city driving during week and I was certain it's just smoother and there is no vibration.
Actually it's just quieter overall, so quiet I hear myself clunk gears in, or am I? Drove myself nuts as that made me think about shifting, when it's actually just automated motions, terrible, this just can't be, did everything to ensure clutch would fully separate, read up about preloading, don't have the balls to go clutchless.
Noticed it's smooth shifting when I shifted still in friction zone…that doesn't make sense, never had to do that….odd, kept aiming at friction zone and yeah shifts nice there, so let's keep doing that.
Trips to Cycle Gear gave me a chance to experience higher gears and RPMs and yes, it's not shaking my hands numb.
Following Saturday I drove to Alamo BMW to get alarm installed and break-in service done, what a fun bike, so smooth, actually so much quieter, what's that noise I'm hearing? Oh the bike is so quiet I can hear my Anakee III? Wow that bike is quiet.
After service back home over I10, no extra trips because people sucked the city dry, no gas for fun activities.
Shifts easier and is quieter since service? Maybe, buy I'm likely biased because that's what I read a lot of people say happened after service.
No gas? What to do on Sunday then?
Put on SW-Motech Skidplate! (Only one I saw came with mounting hardware for 2017 and didn't suggest to use the OEM Skidplate hardware...which I don't have)
Put on Puig engine guards! (Listed as supporting 2017 F700GS and looked good)
Not ready for a Givi Aeroflow I decided to try the MRA X-CREEN Sport with clip on mount, mounted it and got it ready for not keeping air from me in city because I like the air at 90+F weather.
Tuesday after labor day I finally drove it again knowing I'll need every drop of gas in this dry town.
What I noticed was that there was a different feel and sound about the bike, I expected to possibly need sound deadening material for skid plate, based on some complaints I read online. I found I heard my engine less or different, in a good way, everything came across more exact, nothing louder or annoying and yes I heard the Anakee III at lower speeds too. Too cool I'm having my cake and get to eat it too? I'll take it.

Where I had put the X-CREEN the airflow was certainly affected. On another trip to Cycle Gear, I experimented with higher and higher positions to find a high speed setting and absolutely didn't keep airflow from hitting my face dead center. It's like the air now just goes between X-CREEN and stock windscreen allowing air to flow as it always does. So decided to move it lower to break that up and cause a different flow. Air keeps sneaking between both screens.
So I looked how I can ensure I deflect the still occurring main flow over the OEM windscreen and it looks like I can by going behind the OEM screen with the X-CREEN, that worked best of all attempts, need a longer ride in that configuration to be sure if it stays put, reversing it isn't in the design as it gets wider than the OEM screen allows. (For reference I'm 6'2" and air stream hits me just about at the eyes, I feel great on the bike, not cramped, but the OEM screen wasn't meant for me)

What happens when the bike gets quieter and quieter? You find it needs something changing that exhaust, none truly affect power in a huge way, so do we want to drop $750? No, we want one that doesn't promise performance, just a nicer tone.
Delkevic does have well received F800GS slip ons, not listed for F700GS…luckily a F800Riders member knew how to give me the certainty I sought, a way to compare OEM numbers of exhausts realoem.com gives a pedant like my the undeniable facts needed to place that order.
Since Delkevic hadn't replied yet about my question about which size and shape gives an non obnoxious sound I pounced on the 18” Oval, figuring the smaller it gets the louder it would be.
Oval vs Tri-Oval vs round I did based on looks. (The day I received the exhaust I also got a reply from Delkevic confirming my size guess. And they let me know that the shape is decorative as they're all the same size internally independent of shape, when I told her I already ordered and that they likely could sell more if they listed it as fitting the F700GS, she said they would but are waiting on a spacer to add to the kit.
Honestly I have no idea what they could add, as it fits perfect.)
I put it on kind of late so didn't truly get to hear it until the next day.
And it's perfect for my taste, reminds me a lot of my old thumper now.
Won't drive me nuts on longer rides, can barely hear it when cruising, only when accelerating, best $215 I could have spent on an exhaust.
No remapping needed.

The bike only needs one more thing before it's done (bet you never heard that before “just one more thing”)
A Corbin seat or Sargent maybe, thing is I love my gray seat on my bike so I won't pounce unless I get a gray comfort seat.
Stock bench I have a one hour *** on, that's unfortunately something that doesn't seem to fix itself.
Comfort seats at least will be “it” if the Airhawk Dual Sport cushion doesn't work out for me.

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...2923666bcd.jpg

To be clear, I am sitting on an internal combustion engine, everyone can feel that and there are vibrations telling you that, but they do not shake your handle bar to numb your hands. And that changed between driving it off the lot and break-in.
Current gas situation also shows you'll feel poor gas quality, I know I do.
The vibrations are very “tight”, “directed” or “behaved” if I had to try putting a label to the vibrations that are there.

Hope this ends up useful for someone, if not, it's still a great love letter to my bike.

Daniel


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Maby another meet and greet next Tuesday or wed ?


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morfic 09-12-2017 09:39 PM

Re: 2017 F700GS
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Mudslick (Post 1521926)
Maby another meet and greet next Tuesday or wed ?


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Not the reply I expected over here :P


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tshelfer 09-12-2017 10:42 PM

Re: 2017 F700GS
 
I don't think I'd seen a picture before. White Beemers just look great.

morfic 09-12-2017 10:48 PM

Re: 2017 F700GS
 
Nah, you must have seen it in its birthday suit, on the neverending intro thread? 'memba?


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morfic 09-14-2017 09:24 PM

2017 F700GS
 
Update on the Delkevic exhaust, when Janielle from Delkevic replied to my size/shape inquiry and I told them that the rubber insert doesn't seem to match the bracket it goes into, her very next reply was that since they recently changed bracket style I probably got one style strip and one style bracket and she'd send out a correct set right away.
I was able to shave the other with a razor blade and made it fit, which I shared with her.

Today I got my new mounting bracket and rubber strip in the mail.

That's great service if you ask me, so I bought a great exhaust at a budget but get service like I spent big bucks?
Awesome!


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morfic 10-20-2017 12:53 AM

Re: 2017 F700GS
 
~1000 miles with the Delkevic exhaust and I got curious if it did more than just change my sound.
I read a lot about vibrations I don't seem to feel.
So this Sunday I did a quick swap back to the stock exhaust.
The mechanical engine noise seemed different actually "tighter" or "quieter" would come to mind, I drove to work Monday and it was a different ride, but if exhaust had any effect on fueling I'd have to give the motronic some time to adapt.
On my way home I was sure it was vibrating a lot more but hey, commute isn't long so no need to conclude anything.
Tuesday on way to work, vibrations increase.
Tuesday on way home from work I realize I have to cut the test short, I just can't stand giving up what I had gotten used to over the past ~1000miles.
It's not just the vibrations, it's the going slow behind people in traffic, I can stay a gear higher where with stock exhaust I'd have to shift down to avoid that rattling your bike does to let you know if you don't shift soon it considers lugging.
So Tuesday I let the bike cool down over dinner and did a swap back to the Delkevic can and I'm happy to report it's back to its "normal self" (what I call normal now)

So something I spent a little money on, solely for a more attractive sound, has a very beneficial side effect of letting me ride with fewer vibrations?
I'll take it.




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vfaame 01-12-2018 08:10 PM

Re: 2017 F700GS
 
I have a f800, wonder if it would have the same effect. Mine is buzzy but my other bike is a 1000 vstrom so I am used to it. I was reading today about risers that have rubber o rings to reduce vibe. Might try that out.

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morfic 01-12-2018 11:02 PM

Re: 2017 F700GS
 
Might very well be the same, it's after all a pretty similar 800 in our bikes.


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kickstand~prophet 01-13-2018 11:47 AM

Re: 2017 F700GS
 
Russell for the seat problem is the way to go. Or a cheaper route might be the Seat Concepts cover. Your right a hour or so on the stock is enough.:giveup:

morfic 01-13-2018 08:16 PM

Re: 2017 F700GS
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by kickstand~prophet (Post 1538955)
Russell for the seat problem is the way to go. Or a cheaper route might be the Seat Concepts cover. Your right a hour or so on the stock is enough.:giveup:



I had a pretty interesting thread in parallel twins section of ADV and it pushed the BMW Comfort Seat pretty much to the front.

RDL I think looks too funky. :)
Seat Concepts was my front runner for quite a while though.

I admit, trying to preserve the stock look I might only achieve with the BMW seat due to color.



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vfaame 01-13-2018 10:10 PM

Re: 2017 F700GS
 
It looks like mine came with the comfort seat. I have had no issues. Spent 4+ hours at a time on it.

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morfic 01-14-2018 08:44 AM

Re: 2017 F700GS
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by vfaame (Post 1539021)
It looks like mine came with the comfort seat. I have had no issues. Spent 4+ hours at a time on it.

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I wish I had opted for that at time of purchase, but foolishly I thought it looks so much better than my old bikes's seat, standard will be fine.


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kickstand~prophet 01-16-2018 03:33 PM

Re: 2017 F700GS
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by morfic (Post 1539011)
I had a pretty interesting thread in parallel twins section of ADV and it pushed the BMW Comfort Seat pretty much to the front.

RDL I think looks too funky. :)
Seat Concepts was my front runner for quite a while though.

I admit, trying to preserve the stock look I might only achieve with the BMW seat due to color.



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If you go for the seat concepts cover let me know what you think about it. I bought a factory seat cheap that I want to put one on but want to know how they are before spending the money.

morfic 01-16-2018 05:01 PM

Re: 2017 F700GS
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by kickstand~prophet (Post 1539439)
If you go for the seat concepts cover let me know what you think about it. I bought a factory seat cheap that I want to put one on but want to know how they are before spending the money.


I won't get the cover, I'd get the full seat from SC.
I have yet to ruin a stock part (although I keep changing, modifying or adding stuff), I wouldn't start on the seat :)


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kickstand~prophet 01-16-2018 05:36 PM

Re: 2017 F700GS
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by morfic (Post 1539457)
I won't get the cover, I'd get the full seat from SC.
I have yet to ruin a stock part (although I keep changing, modifying or adding stuff), I wouldn't start on the seat :)


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I have one that already has a little damage so that is why I was wondering. I bought it used and abused already.:trust:

The Russell is great but not on the trails and I have the broken foot (now healed) to prove it.

morfic 01-16-2018 05:40 PM

Re: 2017 F700GS
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by kickstand~prophet (Post 1539464)
I have one that already has a little damage so that is why I was wondering. I bought it used and abused already.:trust:

The Russell is great but not on the trails and I have the broken foot (now healed) to prove it.



The butt test should be the same wether their pan or ours, so should I go SC I'll let you know/try when we meet (you being the organizer it's just a matter of time. Closing on house tomorrow I should soon get my weekends back)


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kickstand~prophet 01-17-2018 10:52 AM

Re: 2017 F700GS
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by morfic (Post 1539466)
The butt test should be the same wether their pan or ours, so should I go SC I'll let you know/try when we meet (you being the organizer it's just a matter of time. Closing on house tomorrow I should soon get my weekends back)


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And you can try the Russell but(pun intended) it might take a crowbar to get you off of it,they are so comfortable.:lol2:

morfic 04-17-2018 09:17 PM

Re: 2017 F700GS
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by kickstand~prophet (Post 1539560)
And you can try the Russell but(pun intended) it might take a crowbar to get you off of it,they are so comfortable.:lol2:



Didn't get the SC, bought a used BMW Comfort seat and am very happy with that choice.


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