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Old 02-10-2018, 02:41 PM   #21
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Re: Racing the Baja 1000

Today's training report:

I loaded the bike in my truck and drove over to Murphy's motocross track. The goal today was to a) assess my level of fitness, b) determine how the 500EXC handles on a motocross track, and c) get in my first Baja 1000 riding workout.

Before I left, my grandson put on my helmet then told me he was ready to go.


Unfortunately, he couldn't come with me. Maybe sometime in the future he will be able to join in the fun.

I was at Murphy's for the better part of 2 hours, during which I rode for about 40 minutes total. The good news is that I'm in better shape that I thought I was. My stamina was good and I was able to ride at a reasonable (for me) pace without undue fatigue. My grip endurance needs to increase. A lot. Especially on my throttle hand. I am expecting that will happen with additional training.

Here's the bike after the first 20 minute moto.


The bads news is that I crashed during the end of the second 20 minute moto. I came out of a right handed rut and highsided. Instinct kicked in and I executed a combat roll to my left that actually worked - even at my age - and kept me from breaking a collar bone (though it is getting more sore by the moment).

I would have been fine except for the fact that there was a fast rider passing me on the left who couldn't stop before he plowed into me immediately post combat roll. I took 90% of the hit on my right buttock and the impact sent me rolling into another left handed combat roll. Luckily, I emerged unbroken but I have a large cherry on that cheek and some deep muscle tissue bruising that is going to be extremely sore for the next few days. The KTM, unfazed, just lay there laughing at me.

The 500EXC is a fine motorcycle but it's a bit heavy for riding motocross at a fast pace. In particular, at 260 lbs you have to be very alert on jumps - hit one wrong and I could see it would be tough to recover from before landing. Aside from that, she was competent everywhere else. I desperately need a proper set of knobbies on her. The TKC80 front and Heidenau K60 Scout rear are not great choices for riding motocross.

By the end of 40 minutes I had sped up quite a bit and was easily able to clear all the jumps but I'm not sure the street legal parts (rear fender with license plate, front blinkers, and front headlight & shroud) will survive long-term if I keep jumping like that. Maybe I can pick up a used motocross bike and use it in lieu of the 500 for these types of training rides.

I have one of those new mid-sized Chevy Colorado trucks and the 500 EXC fits nicely in the back.


Next Saturday I'm headed out again, hopefully with new knobby tires installed.
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Old 02-10-2018, 11:09 PM   #22
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WOW...WOW... Mrs. C, where did you get the Bourbon??? I think it's bad..

I am hallucinating... Can you hallucinate reading something???

Youse GUYS are CRAZY... WOW... "Youse guys", isn't that how Joe Pesci would say it?

Over 50+ class..what is that??? You ride 500 and take the truck to the finish...

No Really, I applaud your bravado, question your sanity, but...


Really... I know you both will do good, but talk about jumping in the deep end, WOW.
Each of you is going to ride 400+....? OUCH!!!

If you go to HF's stay off the trails, stick to the park roads. Try to do 3 hours of solid riding averaging 40+ mph. That should get you to at least 2 gas stops. If the forest is open, go down there and try to find as close to a 40 mile ATV loop as you can get. Try to do that and each time you come around to the truck, fill up and do it again till you have 150 or more miles, again try to average 40 mph on the wide ADV trails. That should get you friendly with the sand and whoops.

Situation changes quick at 50+, 60+, 70+.

Years ago Honda had a rent a bike/support deal. That was back in '90's. Maybe someone is still doing that. It keeps you from trashing your own equipment. Fly to San Diego, cross over, Race and return. Just your gear and personals. Back in '93 I was offered a chance to do this with two other A riders from west Texas, I believe it was $650 from each of us, but I passed. I heard they came in 3rd in class. But that was Three 30 year olds. They said it was a great time.

I would second the need for Bibs, I hate them, but would not run a desert race without them. Yeah, get some knobbies on that bike, much easier to ride on dirt than 50/50 tires.

Good luck, keep everyone posted about your experience.

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Old 02-10-2018, 11:16 PM   #23
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Good luck to you both.
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Old 02-11-2018, 09:16 AM   #24
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Wow! congratulations on your decision! You guys will do great. I think Tourmeister touched on it, documenting your race would be cool. I followed the Dakar Rally this year and followed Lyndon Poskett in which documented his entire race then posted 20 ten minute episodes on youtube. Lyndon entered in the Malle Moto class which he races and supports himself meaning he did the entire race and wrenched on his bike!
Great videos and might be good information in there. Here is the link to the first episode.

Looking forward to reading about your adventure!!!

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Old 02-11-2018, 11:53 AM   #25
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Read everything Macdaddy wrote, about 20 times, good stuff in there. I would also recommend getting off the motocross track and race every hare scrambles or hare hound race you can afford to get to. I raced National H&H, ISDE and 24 hour events until i was 52. I live where there is a lot of public land, and I rode at least 15 hours on the weekend, and when a 24 hour race was approaching, I would get up and ride before dawn and time to go to work. If you have never raced at night, you don't know what to expect. Find a 24 hour race and enter it. Who cares if you finish, just race for at least 12 hours, especially at night. Heck, take breaks just like you would in the Baja 1000.

Buy a wood dowel, tie a rope to the center, hang a weight on the rope and roll the rope up and down for hours to condition your forearms. I've finished races with such bad arm cramps I needed help releasing my fingers from the bars. Get your forearms in shape or you won't be a happy camper.

practice riding with glove liners or mole skin to keep from getting blisters during the race. Don't try anything new on race day, only things you have done a lot.

And lastly, stay hydrated, again, stay hydrated. My racing days ended when I got extremely dehydrated practicing for a 24 hour event in 100 degree heat and had a stroke. I also helped recover a body in a National H&H when an expert level rider who tried to race in 105 degree heat without enough water.Don't take hydration for granted...

Be as prepared as possible, and you guys are going to have a blast...
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Old 02-11-2018, 12:33 PM   #26
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Is this a point to point (Ensenada to La Paz) year or the northern half of Baja year?
This year's race is a loop course, presumably run on the northern half of the peninsula. That much we do know. We will know for certain about a month prior to the race when the official route is published.


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Speaking of crews, how are you doing your pitting? Did you contract with someone?
We will be contracting with a crew, such as Mag 7.


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A Bib Mousse in the front at a minimum and better if you have one in the rear too.
Thanks - I was leaning in this direction already.


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I hope you get to do some pre-riding. There’s no way you can remember your whole portion of the race but you get an idea of what to expect. And, and it’s so darn much fun!!! Maybe more fun than the race.
We are planning on doing some pre-running a few days before the race.


Finally, thanks for the advice. We will take it all to heart.
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Read everything Macdaddy wrote, about 20 times, good stuff in there. I would also recommend getting off the motocross track and race every hare scrambles or hare hound race you can afford to get to. I raced National H&H, ISDE and 24 hour events until i was 52. I live where there is a lot of public land, and I rode at least 15 hours on the weekend, and when a 24 hour race was approaching, I would get up and ride before dawn and time to go to work. If you have never raced at night, you don't know what to expect. Find a 24 hour race and enter it. Who cares if you finish, just race for at least 12 hours, especially at night. Heck, take breaks just like you would in the Baja 1000.

Buy a wood dowel, tie a rope to the center, hang a weight on the rope and roll the rope up and down for hours to condition your forearms. I've finished races with such bad arm cramps I needed help releasing my fingers from the bars. Get your forearms in shape or you won't be a happy camper.

practice riding with glove liners or mole skin to keep from getting blisters during the race. Don't try anything new on race day, only things you have done a lot.

And lastly, stay hydrated, again, stay hydrated. My racing days ended when I got extremely dehydrated practicing for a 24 hour event in 100 degree heat and had a stroke. I also helped recover a body in a National H&H when an expert level rider who tried to race in 105 degree heat without enough water.Don't take hydration for granted...

Be as prepared as possible, and you guys are going to have a blast...

Thank you for the excellent advice.
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Old 02-12-2018, 04:40 AM   #28
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Read everything Macdaddy wrote, about 20 times, good stuff in there. I would also recommend getting off the motocross track and race every hare scrambles or hare hound race you can afford to get to. I raced National H&H, ISDE and 24 hour events until i was 52. I live where there is a lot of public land, and I rode at least 15 hours on the weekend, and when a 24 hour race was approaching, I would get up and ride before dawn and time to go to work. If you have never raced at night, you don't know what to expect. Find a 24 hour race and enter it. Who cares if you finish, just race for at least 12 hours, especially at night. Heck, take breaks just like you would in the Baja 1000.

Buy a wood dowel, tie a rope to the center, hang a weight on the rope and roll the rope up and down for hours to condition your forearms. I've finished races with such bad arm cramps I needed help releasing my fingers from the bars. Get your forearms in shape or you won't be a happy camper.

practice riding with glove liners or mole skin to keep from getting blisters during the race. Don't try anything new on race day, only things you have done a lot.

And lastly, stay hydrated, again, stay hydrated. My racing days ended when I got extremely dehydrated practicing for a 24 hour event in 100 degree heat and had a stroke. I also helped recover a body in a National H&H when an expert level rider who tried to race in 105 degree heat without enough water.Don't take hydration for granted...

Be as prepared as possible, and you guys are going to have a blast...
I agree, forget the mx and hit the TORCS and TSCEC races, especially the TSCEC because of seat time.
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Old 02-12-2018, 08:05 AM   #29
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West Texas TSCEC events. Much more high speed open sections. And ride the Long course, again, not needing to stay on time but get the most miles in as possible.

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Have you two lost your minds? I had a chance to be part of a four man team a few year ago. At first I jumped at the offer............then I got to thinking about a 50 mile cross country race and how worn out and used up I was after one of those. I called the team manager and said I'm out and it's a good thing I did.

The guy riding the first leg crashed and broke his sternum and some other parts. The locals stole the bike, the rider went to a Mexican hospital and while he was there some of the drug cartel guys raided the hospital and shot it up, trying to get one of their guys out. Needles to say it was a cluster.

But what the hey.............go for it before you're too dang old.
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But what the hey.............go for it before you're too dang old.

That's exactly what I wuz thinking. Hey, when are we riding Mexico again?
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That's exactly what I wuz thinking. Hey, when are we riding Mexico again?
Next week! Heck you and Richard should have winter homes down there. You know the roads better than most of the locals!

But when y'all go you "smell the roses".

I do wish you both all the best. If you get thru this unscathed you will unseat Nolan as my "old man hero".

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Next week! Heck you and Richard should have winter homes down there. You know the roads better than most of the locals!



But when y'all go you "smell the roses".



I do wish you both all the best. If you get thru this unscathed you will unseat Nolan as my "old man hero".



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Congratulations fellas! You are doing the grand daddy of all the North American desert races. Boy do I ever wish I could join you guys!
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That's exactly what I wuz thinking. Hey, when are we riding Mexico again?
Soon I hope. Especially since I figured out I'm a year older than I thought I was. Gittin old sucks, but on the bright side no one will ever kidnap me!
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Sounds like the adventure of a lifetime. I wish both of you and your crew Good luck!
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Sounds exciting guys! If you need help or a spare bike and rider I can offer both 😉ktm500exc.
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Good luck guys. Sounds fun. I'm no expert but those who are have convinced me to mount Dunlop at 81 rc on the rear. Rc for reinforced carcass. Nutech tubliss rather than mousse. Don't know if that is wise for a race. But buddies say mousse can disintegrate in the desert. No biggie...swap it out in the pits. Tubliss can get flats but you can plug them. Or run them flat. Benefit is 6 psi vs 14 mousse? Headed down to bay of la next week for 900. I'll update you after. Btw, Front is Dunlop geomax mx52. Would love to ride hf with y'all sometime.

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Old 02-15-2018, 12:17 PM   #39
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I think the Texas Desert Racing Association races would be great conditioning for the 1000. I will be out there for the April, July, and October races. Hope to see you out there.
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[quote=Trail Boss;1543638]This year's race is a loop course, presumably run on the northern half of the peninsula. That much we do know. We will know for certain about a month prior to the race when the official route is published.

That sounds right, I read somewhere that last year's race was the point to point year. The loop race is much easier logistically and a great way to start your Baja career. Like Lays potato chips, you can't do just one.

Back in the day, the loop race was laid out more or less like a figure eight and you repeated the bottom loop a second time to gain mileage. I say this because it presents another challenge in that during your second loop, you will be running with the buggies, etc. that started the race well behind you and are now making their first loop. Don't get me wrong, its all doable but they kick up a lot more dust and take up a lot more of the course. Just another challenge to deal with and add to the memories.

To get around them, just ram the back of their vehicle once or twice with your front wheel and they'll move over as soon as they can. Okay, I made that last part up, don't do that.
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