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Old 03-16-2017, 02:27 PM   #41
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Re: South East TX TARA DS Ride, Saturday March 18

I can't speak to the direction of travel, but I thought that the departure time was 8. No need to arrive at 7, just 7:45! Still to early for y'all I imagine. I certainly wouldn't mind heading counter clockwise to pick you guys up!

Scott, all these "challenging" corners you speak of sound like fun! But I have a sneaking suspicion I've been on most of them already...
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Not really challenging, just something to be aware of
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As much as i want to attend this ride i think i am out... I need to get a few things ready for the Big Bend departure next Thursday morning. I'll catch the next one.
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Old 03-16-2017, 07:40 PM   #44
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Re: South East TX TARA DS Ride, Saturday March 18

Riders Final Update:

Meet up:
We will meet at Buc-ee’s in Waller TX at 7am Saturday March 18th (see Buc-ee’s site map for meet up location). Buc-ee’s serves breakfast burritos, coffee, snacks and other breakfast items. Riders meeting at 7:45am, kickstands up and ready to ride at 8am.
Lunch:
There are three possibilities:
1. Bring your own meal to eat plus snacks. Water is a must! We will stop at different times to take breaks and eat snacks.
2. Bedias TX has a small café and is open from 7am to 2:30pm. The “Pit Stop Café” is a comfort food style restaurant. Time may be our biggest issue but a good possibility we could make it before closing time.
3. Iola TX has a BBQ place that is good. “Mallett Brothers BBQ” is a small town BBQ restaurant and it’s hours are from 7am to 2pm. Time will be our biggest issue.
We can decide our lunch possibilities as a group Saturday morning.
Pit Stops:
1. SHNF East Side Multi-use Trailhead (bathroom break)
2. Shiro TX – Gas and Bathroom break
3. Bedias or Iola TX – Lunch, gas, and bathroom break
4. Navasota TX – gas and bathroom break
Group Formation:
By my estimate we have about 15+ riders coming for a Saturday ride! We will divide into smaller groups to make it easy to manage, thinking 5 to 6 riders per group. For those who are willing to lead a group, get with me Saturday morning. I will be leading a group and William Wolfen has volunteered to lead a second group. A third group leader may be required.

Looking forward to this ride and meeting all of you. If you have any questions please let me know.
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Old 03-16-2017, 11:18 PM   #45
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If you can't make the other places in a timely manner and you don't mind a few extra miles, there is a really good BBQ place (CJ's I think it is called) right off Hwy 30 at the first stop light (Harvey Rd.) as you come into College Station. If you cross the Navasota River on CR 162/Long Trussel Rd., you can run Elmo Weeden into 30, have lunch, then run 30 East to pick up the route where it crosses 30. It adds 10 miles to your route, but Hwy 30 is 70mph, so it really wouldn't add much time wise.

It is open all day. There is also a gas station right there as well.
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Old 03-16-2017, 11:44 PM   #46
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Re: South East TX TARA DS Ride, Saturday March 18

I know the spot Scott. I can always take my group over, or everyone over for that matter.
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Old 03-17-2017, 01:21 AM   #47
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Okay, my plan is to be at the corner on FM 1374 and Stubblefield Lake Rd., by 9:30-9:45am at the latest. There's a concrete parking lot there at the turn. I should be easy to spot.

According to Basecamp, it is 79 miles from the Buccee's to that intersection along the route in the GPX file. The GPS says that will take 2-1/2 hours. I suspect it might be closer to 2 hours, at most. So if the main group actually leaves at 8:00am, I should still be there with time to spare unless they are running a REALLY fast pace

Rob, if you want to hook up, we can meet either at my place or Smileys. I'll probably need to top of at Smiley's on the way out anyway if you just want to meet there at 9:00am. I'll be on the GS with Daniel riding pillion.
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Do not let any unwholesome talk come out of your mouths, but only what is helpful for building others up according to their needs, that it may benefit those who listen. Eph 4:29 (NIV)
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Lies are fragile. They require constant attentiveness to keep them alive. The exposure of a single truth can rip through an ocean of lies, evaporating it instantly. - Brandon Smith

If you want government to intervene domestically, you’re a liberal. If you want government to intervene overseas, you’re a conservative. If you want government to intervene everywhere, you’re a moderate. If you don’t want government to intervene anywhere, you’re an extremist. — Joe Sobran

It is no crime to be ignorant of economics, which is, after all, a specialized discipline and one that most people consider to be a ‘dismal science.' But it is totally irresponsible to have a loud and vociferous opinion on economic subjects while remaining in this state of ignorance. – Murray N. Rothbard

When one possessed of the Truth suffers from a heavy heart he is susceptible to a more dangerous affliction — the craving for power to eradicate error, to cause Truth to triumph by force. - Frank Chodorov

Where politicians flourish, long history has harshly taught us, people and their liberty wither. Where the state is god and the "public interest" worshipped, individual man will be found bleeding upon the altar. - Karl Hess

The accepted wisdom is that without the state, society would collapse into lawlessness and crime. In fact, lawlessness and crime define the very nature of the state and the society organized by it. - Bionic Mosquito

But the myth of the rule of law does more than render the people submissive to state authority; it also turns them into the state's accomplices in the exercise of its power. For people who would ordinarily consider it a great evil to deprive individuals of their rights or oppress politically powerless minority groups will respond with patriotic fervor when these same actions are described as upholding the rule of law. - John Hasnas
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Old 03-17-2017, 09:06 AM   #48
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If you can't make the other places in a timely manner and you don't mind a few extra miles, there is a really good BBQ place (CJ's I think it is called) right off Hwy 30 at the first stop light (Harvey Rd.) as you come into College Station. If you cross the Navasota River on CR 162/Long Trussel Rd., you can run Elmo Weeden into 30, have lunch, then run 30 East to pick up the route where it crosses 30. It adds 10 miles to your route, but Hwy 30 is 70mph, so it really wouldn't add much time wise.

It is open all day. There is also a gas station right there as well.
Thanks, this would be a good alternative and actually my wife suggested the place as well! I'm pretty sure I know where it's at and your right, CJ's is not that far. A hungry rider is not a happy rider!
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Old 03-17-2017, 02:38 PM   #49
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Scott, I'll plan on picking you up there. I'll PM my phone number so you can reach me if anything changes. I have a Sena in my helmet and can take calls while riding.
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I don't know what the group riding experience level for all the riders will be, but I would like to share one simple rule for group riding (street and dirt).

Keep track of the rider behind you!!

This generally means waiting at each intersection/turn until you see the rider behind you and you KNOW that rider has seen you!! The idea is that no matter how spread out the group gets, you don't lose people. If you have been riding for quite a while and have not seen the person behind you, stop and wait a minute. If you still don't see them, GO BACK. IF there is a problem, this should ideally result in the entire group coming back to the point of trouble so everyone can figure out what needs to be done to take care of the rider/bike having trouble.

The other benefit of this rule is that each rider should realize they WILL NOT get left behind and should therefor run at a pace they are comfortable with. I hate seeing an inexperienced rider trying to keep up with faster riders only to get in over his/her head and then having an accident and potentially tearing up the bike and/or body!

Having led a lot of rides, I know from experience that the worst people about ignoring this rule are the 2-3 people right behind the leader. I have often had to repeatedly stop and tell them to wait for the rider behind them because they want to take off with the leader the moment he/she goes.

If folks can follow this one simple rule, it makes the ride better for everyone in the group.

Okay, I lied, TWO rules, or really a sub rule to rule #1

IF you decide to drop off of your group, let someone know.

I cannot tell you how many times I have been leading a ride and riders have decided to peel off and go their separate way without letting anyone else in the group know what they were doing. If everyone is following rule #1, this is a real pain!! It makes people wonder if there is a problem. I have literally spent hours in the rain with other riders looking for a missing rider only to eventually give up and find him back at the hotel enjoying a cold beer... Needless to say, he was not real popular with the rest of the group that evening...

It is real simple, get the attention of the rider in front of or behind you, stop and actually SPEAK to him to let him know you are bugging out. Don't just assume he knows what your head bobbing and arm waving mean if you are trying to let him know your intentions without using actual words

This last issue is not a rule per se, but more of a courtesy issue. If you are a group leader and you stop to wait for the whole group to reassemble, don't take off the second the last rider shows up. Everyone else has had a few moments to sit, rest, maybe talk, and/or take care of any little issue they might be having. Give that last rider the courtesy of having a minute or two before you take off again. I promise that rider will appreciate it! I usually check with the last rider before I head out again if I am leading.
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Lies are fragile. They require constant attentiveness to keep them alive. The exposure of a single truth can rip through an ocean of lies, evaporating it instantly. - Brandon Smith

If you want government to intervene domestically, you’re a liberal. If you want government to intervene overseas, you’re a conservative. If you want government to intervene everywhere, you’re a moderate. If you don’t want government to intervene anywhere, you’re an extremist. — Joe Sobran

It is no crime to be ignorant of economics, which is, after all, a specialized discipline and one that most people consider to be a ‘dismal science.' But it is totally irresponsible to have a loud and vociferous opinion on economic subjects while remaining in this state of ignorance. – Murray N. Rothbard

When one possessed of the Truth suffers from a heavy heart he is susceptible to a more dangerous affliction — the craving for power to eradicate error, to cause Truth to triumph by force. - Frank Chodorov

Where politicians flourish, long history has harshly taught us, people and their liberty wither. Where the state is god and the "public interest" worshipped, individual man will be found bleeding upon the altar. - Karl Hess

The accepted wisdom is that without the state, society would collapse into lawlessness and crime. In fact, lawlessness and crime define the very nature of the state and the society organized by it. - Bionic Mosquito

But the myth of the rule of law does more than render the people submissive to state authority; it also turns them into the state's accomplices in the exercise of its power. For people who would ordinarily consider it a great evil to deprive individuals of their rights or oppress politically powerless minority groups will respond with patriotic fervor when these same actions are described as upholding the rule of law. - John Hasnas
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Old 03-17-2017, 04:17 PM   #52
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Excellent advice here. I will be expecting my group to keep to it. I'll be leading a faster paced group, but I won't be leaving anyone behind. I figure a cruising pace of 45-50 and a gettin' it pace of 60 or so from time to time. That's for the unpaved sections of course. I tend to keep it pretty reasonable on the pavement due to gearing and knobbie melting concerns.

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I've had several new folks contact me and I will take lead of this group. I want them to enjoy the ride plus I would like to take pictures as much as possible.
I have been part of a group before that was **** bent on breaking the speed of sound! This was not an enjoyable ride and my friend said he would never do that again. So I will make sure my group follows the basic rules or common courtesy of your fellow rider.
I have a list of things to talk about at the riders meeting. Kind of "JSA, Safety Tool Box Meeting" before we head out. The main thing is NOT to ride above your skill and not to leave the rider behind you! Tourmeister thanks for your input, it is greatly appreciated!
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I've had several new folks contact me and I will take lead of this group. I want them to enjoy the ride plus I would like to take pictures as much as possible.
I have been part of a group before that was **** bent on breaking the speed of sound! This was not an enjoyable ride and my friend said he would never do that again. So I will make sure my group follows the basic rules or common courtesy of your fellow rider.
I have a list of things to talk about at the riders meeting. Kind of "JSA, Safety Tool Box Meeting" before we head out. The main thing is NOT to ride above your skill and not to leave the rider behind you! Tourmeister thanks for your input, it is greatly appreciated!
Glad to hear somebody else respects the folks living out in the country and taking time to take pictures. We have TORCS for the guys who think this is a race! HA Funny how they don't show up there.
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Rob,

I'm gonna be at the Smiley's 9:00am. Should only take us about 20 minutes or so to get to Stubblefield Lake Rd., if you want to join me.
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Do not let any unwholesome talk come out of your mouths, but only what is helpful for building others up according to their needs, that it may benefit those who listen. Eph 4:29 (NIV)
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Lies are fragile. They require constant attentiveness to keep them alive. The exposure of a single truth can rip through an ocean of lies, evaporating it instantly. - Brandon Smith

If you want government to intervene domestically, you’re a liberal. If you want government to intervene overseas, you’re a conservative. If you want government to intervene everywhere, you’re a moderate. If you don’t want government to intervene anywhere, you’re an extremist. — Joe Sobran

It is no crime to be ignorant of economics, which is, after all, a specialized discipline and one that most people consider to be a ‘dismal science.' But it is totally irresponsible to have a loud and vociferous opinion on economic subjects while remaining in this state of ignorance. – Murray N. Rothbard

When one possessed of the Truth suffers from a heavy heart he is susceptible to a more dangerous affliction — the craving for power to eradicate error, to cause Truth to triumph by force. - Frank Chodorov

Where politicians flourish, long history has harshly taught us, people and their liberty wither. Where the state is god and the "public interest" worshipped, individual man will be found bleeding upon the altar. - Karl Hess

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I'm gonna be at the Smiley's 9:00am. Should only take us about 20 minutes or so to get to Stubblefield Lake Rd., if you want to join me.
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here I come!

Edit: Did not make it. Got almost to Tomball & the fogg was so thick I could not see. So, turned around.
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Please post pics when you stop for lunch.

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My group just stopped for lunch in Bedias. If y'all catch up, feel free to stop in and say hello!

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