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Old 04-15-2018, 09:50 PM   #61
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FYI, Overland Expo in Flagstaff is May 18 to 20. There will be 4 of us twtexans goingbfrom Phoenix. If ypu're in the area stop by. It gas a large motorcycle segment as well.

Texas T, wanna join us?
Thanks for the invite. There is some cool stuff there, but it's not my kind of thing. Roughing it for me means no room service.
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Wife and I just did the first week in April driving around AZ. The 273-261 loop around Greer was closed due to snow. Highway 60 crossing the Salt River canyon is beautiful, 191 from Three Way to Springerville is awesome and as Texas T said Indian Road 13 is spectacular running up to Roof Butte and then right next to Ship Rock. So many sights to see. We decided spur of the moment to sidetrack to see the Petrified Forest National Park and are very happy we did. It is incredible!
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Wife and I just did the first week in April driving around AZ. The 273-261 loop around Greer was closed due to snow. Highway 60 crossing the Salt River canyon is beautiful, 191 from Three Way to Springerville is awesome and as Texas T said Indian Road 13 is spectacular running up to Roof Butte and then right next to Ship Rock. So many sights to see. We decided spur of the moment to sidetrack to see the Petrified Forest National Park and are very happy we did. It is incredible!
If people really don't "know" Arizona, they think we are nothing but deserts, cactus, and the Grand Canyon. There is SO much more to our state than that, so please come visit, spend your money, and then GO HOME!

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Our original destination was Sierra Vista. Our son lives there. We toured Fort Huachuca, a copper mine, a cavern nearby there and enjoyed a shootout in old Tombstone. We drove up Mount Lemon and drove around the east side of Mount Lemon on gravel roads through a forest of giant cactus. It was all very memorable. Next trip we will try to see the central and western sights in AZ.
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If people really don't "know" Arizona, they think we are nothing but deserts, cactus, and the Grand Canyon. There is SO much more to our state than that, so please come visit, spend your money, and then GO HOME!

At least you've got the Grand Canyon. As we all know, Texas is just deserts and cactus. Big, tall Saguaro cactus. And cowboys.

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Our original destination was Sierra Vista. Our son lives there. We toured Fort Huachuca, a copper mine, a cavern nearby there and enjoyed a shootout in old Tombstone. We drove up Mount Lemon and drove around the east side of Mount Lemon on gravel roads through a forest of giant cactus. It was all very memorable. Next trip we will try to see the central and western sights in AZ.
I have a high school friend in Sierra Vista. I've always wanted to visit that corner of AZ, and will find time to do so one day. Alas, not this trip.
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If people really don't "know" Arizona, they think we are nothing but deserts, cactus, and the Grand Canyon. There is SO much more to our state than that, so please come visit, spend your money, and then GO HOME!

I WAS thinking the same. seen some az stuff too and amazing.

i think i heard that the "welcome to texas , now go home " slogan was originally California's, before they fried themselves.
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Old 04-18-2018, 07:11 PM   #67
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Tim,

Keep an eye on this fire watch page as you get closer to your departure date. Usually in the summer there are a couple of big fires burning out of control in Arizona.

Right now, it looks like the Rattlesnake fire is five percent contained. It is located about thirty to fourty mile west of Hannagan's Meadow on Highway 191.

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Old 04-18-2018, 08:05 PM   #68
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Our original destination was Sierra Vista. Our son lives there. We toured Fort Huachuca, a copper mine, a cavern nearby there and enjoyed a shootout in old Tombstone. We drove up Mount Lemon and drove around the east side of Mount Lemon on gravel roads through a forest of giant cactus. It was all very memorable. Next trip we will try to see the central and western sights in AZ.
Ft Hoochy Cootchie is a major CIA/NSA installation, but your son probably already told you that.

They have a very good Buffalo Soldier museum on post, as well as a good signals intelligence museum. Hopefully you toured both.

What copper mine did you tour?

Kartchner Caverns near Benson? The largest "living" cave in the country.

Even as a native, I've never been down the back side of Mt Lemmon, but I'm not sure if that's what you meant. The eastern portion of the Saguaro National Monument is located at the base of the Rincons to the SE of Mt Lemmon so maybe that's where you were?

Western AZ doesn't have a lot to compare to where you've been, so I'd stick to more NE sections of the state from Payson/Prescott/Jerome/White Mountains up to Canyon de Chelly and Monument Valley.
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Tim,

Keep an eye on this fire watch page as you get closer to your departure date. Usually in the summer there are a couple of big fires burning out of control in Arizona.

Right now, it looks like the Rattlesnake fire is five percent contained. It is located about thirty to fourty mile west of Hannagan's Meadow on Highway 191.

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InciWeb is my favorite site for tracking the wildfires in the state.
https://inciweb.nwcg.gov/

We've had an EXTREMELY dry winter. Most of the state's moisture comes in a couple of winter months and then in the last summer monsoon season which also brings the haboobs and lots of lightning created fires.
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Good to know about the wildfire watches. Thanks, Red & Brian.

Here's a new question, pertaining to New Mexico. Has anybody been to Shiprock? If I'm passing by on the highway & want to stop & take some pictures (but not spend time driving off the highway), which sides offer good views from the road? The options are the north (US 64), east (491), or south (Rt 13 toward Red Valley) side. The south side looks like it would be best, but once past Shiprock, that is one long, desolate highway with not a lot of gas. Does anybody have any experience with this area? Any suggestions?
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Re: AZ Trip - Advice Requested

Brian,

I put the Navajo Indian Service Route #12/13 headed to Roof Butte Park on the bucket list. Do I need a special "park" permit to ride on those roads located on Navajo lands residing in Arizona?

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Brian,

I put the Navajo Indian Service Route #12/13 headed to Roof Butte Park on the bucket list. Do I need a special "park" permit to ride on those roads located on Navajo lands residing in Arizona?

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Pardon me, I know this was addressed to Brian but I just went through those roads the first week in April and no special permit was required. They are open to the public.
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Tim, I've been on the 491 and 64 route and did not stop to take pictures. IIRC, too far away. I just now did a Google map satellite view and it confirmed my "too far away" memory. 13 was better, but still far.
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Tim, I've been on the 491 and 64 route and did not stop to take pictures. IIRC, too far away. I just now did a Google map satellite view and it confirmed my "too far away" memory. 13 was better, but still far.
Well, that settles it, then. I'll take 13. I did some googling of all the small towns along the way. Looks like there's gas at least every 50 miles, plenty good for a VStrom. I wouldn't want to be out there on certain cruisers, though, with their 110-mile ranges.
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Old 04-19-2018, 07:20 PM   #75
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Pardon me, I know this was addressed to Brian but I just went through those roads the first week in April and no special permit was required. They are open to the public.
Here's the only cautions I really give folks when they are traveling on Native lands... you are in a completely different country with completely different customs and laws. Don't be the stereotypical "Ugly American" and you'll be fine.

I tend to watch my speed on the Reservations more so than I do on regular Arizona roads, and since you'll have out of state plates I would encourage you to not drive/ride at excessive speeds.

At least here in Scottsdale on the Salt River - Pima land you cannot possess a firearm but I can't speak for all the other Tribes in the state. Again, if you're not being an Ugly American you most likely will not have any issues having a weapon in the vehicle, but I would be hesitant to be wearing one.

Also, while there will be signs that say "Now Entering...", it isn't always real obvious when you're on Tribal land and when you're not. Err on the side of caution.

If you're riding, know that MUCH of the tribal land is not fenced, so you WILL encounter horses and cattle walking on the highway at all times of the day or night.

I know it's stereotypical, but alcohol abuse is rampant among many of the Native peoples, and now you can add Meth and Opioids to that as well. DUI is a massive issue on Tribal lands.
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Good info; thanks. I will take it to heart. Actually, I'm not much of a speeder anyway. No interest in tangling with state police, and certainly not reservation police.
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Old 05-07-2018, 06:42 PM   #77
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Tim, do you have a cooling vest (or two)? The temps have really racheted up this week. I was in the White Mountains over the weekend and the high was 79. It was 54 coming down the mountain about 7:30 am Sunday, and it was an even 100 when I rolled into the driveway at 10 am. We hit a high of 106 that day which is a new record for us.

It's 103 as I type this, 104 on Wed, 105 on Thu, and then dropping down into the 90s for a couple of days and then back up again to 99/100 for the rest of the ten day forecast.

Obviously, this won't impact you as much in the higher elevations, but you're still going to need to be ready for it.
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No cooling vest. I do wear a Camelbak and will be pumping a lot of water, and I've learned to linger & soak up a bit of a/c at gas stops rather than just doing the Splash & Dash. I'll be crossing some hot areas for sure, but - hey, I live in north Texas.
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Just got back from Arizona. I experienced 40-50 mph sustained cross winds on some days on the open plains. It was brutal. I had to crank the preload to almost the maximum setting which improved the bike's stability.



Navajo Indian Service Route #12/13 headed to Roof Butte Park was outstanding. Thanks goes to Brian for suggesting the road!



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I'm watching the weather. Looks like I'll have 25-35 mph winds across west Texas & NM on Friday, maybe into Saturday. I've done it many times, I can do it again. But man, it's hard work. Not looking forward to that aspect, but it's part of traveling in western states.
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