Right now I have Dale's supertuner and pipe. I like this bike enough to spend some more cash and make it even better, but does anyone know if Dale's stuff does anything besides the fueling? Or would i even benefit?
Have you reviewed the different tuning stages HS has? What stage did you buy? Since you have his tuner don't you have his settings? The oem restrictions on the Bandit are done through the secondary throttle plates. Just remove them, but the a/f ratio has to be changed to accommodate no plates. They start reducing airflow ~ 7,000 rpm. HS stages 1 and 2 don't change the timing. Not much to be gained by changing it.
HS tuner is a crude tool. Flashing you dont need to add abox. Can just turn O2, Pair, all restrictions off. You can also leave the secondry plates in and adjust them for more torque down low.
The 7k rpm dip is timing, nothing to do with fuelling.
Gotta disagree. The dip is caused by the secondaries, not timing, and they are the only real "restriction" on the bandit, except for the oem small airbox intake port and muffler, and the oem fueling. The exh cat is not very restrictive, and the PAIR system doesnt restrict, but removal does get stuff out of the way, reduce wt, and stop popping on decel. Why dont you post your before and after dyno charts for the reflash? Butt dynos arent very accurate.
Does anyone know how much the factory restrictions and timing retaration hold the bike back?
According to ECU unleashed there are restrictions in the ECU that can get rid of.
Well my secondaries are out but I bought this for low end power, do you think I'd notice a difference with my setup?
So ECU unleashed would be a good place in the states to have it done?
Doesn't seem like too many options out there
HS did get the "dip" out with the stage 2 tune, by removing the secondaries and no timing changes. http://www.holeshot.com/suzuki/bandit/650-1250/dynocharts
It appears your reflash gained 4-1/2 hp peak and minimal in other areas? There is really nothing to be gained on the Bandit with a reflash vs secondary removal and a PC. The secondaries are the only real restriction. Provided there is a Tuning Link center one can get to, the PC with custom map is really the best. Yes it's ~$300 for the mapping on top of the cost of the PC, but you can then tweak the map to suit, which I have done on all of my bikes. Those tweaks have been at low rpm low throttle to improve throttle pick up and reducing A/F in the cruise range to improve mpg for range.
This is holeshot tune in the magazine but with old dobek TFI. He got the dip out from stage 2 tune when he started to use EFI supertune pro. However the dip is still there with stage one.You can do what you like to your bike. But mine with the supertune was a fat pig everywhere and too lean at 5% throttle. Ran better with it out. So you can either just ride it or get it flashed. Mine is now smooth and very strong. It would take my superbike on down low for sure.
Sportrider magazine seems to get a different curve to the Holeshot ones.http://www.sportrider.com/project-suzuki-gsx1250fa-gsx-essive
You can do what you like to your bike. But mine with the supertune was a fat pig everywhere and too lean at 5% throttle. Ran better with it out. So you can either just ride it or get it flashed. Mine is now smooth and very strong. It would take my superbike on down low for sure.
Sportrider magazine seems to get a different curve to the Holeshot ones.http://www.sportrider.com/project-suzuki-gsx1250fa-gsx-essive
In other words, there's nothing the Supertune pro does a flash or PCV/custom tune can't do better?
You can do what you like to your bike. But mine with the supertune was a fat pig everywhere and too lean at 5% throttle. Ran better with it out. So you can either just ride it or get it flashed. Mine is now smooth and very strong. It would take my superbike on down low for sure.
Sportrider magazine seems to get a different curve to the Holeshot ones.http://www.sportrider.com/project-suzuki-gsx1250fa-gsx-essive
That contradicts what you said here in post #10:
First run is with the stock map and the Supertune pro removed. Bike ran better without the Supertune in it.
Can you please clarify?