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Old 01-26-2017, 02:43 PM   #21
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Re: What is your experience with Rekluse Auto Clutches?

Tourmeister,
You have pictures of everything.

When I said "Side Hill Exposure"., I didn't mean there were no trees, simply meant that there IS some shelf-type trail.


So, this has nothing to do with a Rekluse, but I am up there from Memorial Day--Labor Day as many weekends as I possibly can be. Even if I don't ride, I still try and go.

I was actually thinking about putting together a dual sport ride up there this summer and inviting all you TWT guys. It would be big bike suitable and the routes would be flexible for those that wanted more or less. I have a few different 100-200 mile routes that are really enjoyable.

As far as a real dirt bike ride, I keep a bike there pretty much all summer, and I am ready to go any time. Our "Moonson" season starts somewhere near the middle of July and there can be regular afternoon storms, but is doesn't ever stop us for long.

The riding is good from when the snow clears to when it starts again. So, the riding season is pretty long.
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Old 01-27-2017, 01:26 AM   #22
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The only real down side is that Cloudcroft is the best place to stay if you want to be relatively close to the riding, but there aren't a whole lot of places to stay in Cloudcroft, espeically for large groups. Most folks will stay down in Alamogordo, but that adds a good bit of riding to the beginning and end of each day. If you like camping, there are tons of cool places to stay for primitive camping.

I'm thinking Cloudcroft would be an ideal location for someone to open up a place like those you see in North Carolina and Tennessee for motorcycle lodging. There is not a lot of paved riding, but there are miles and miles of trails and dirt roads.
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Old 01-27-2017, 10:48 AM   #23
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Re: What is your experience with Rekluse Auto Clutches?

Back to your question about the Rekluse... like some others, I'll go either way. My 530 is clutched, the 300 has a Rekluse EXP. Where the R stands out for me is climbing loose steep stuff. It keeps the back tire stuck in the dirt way better than I usually can with the clutch. My biggest problem (OK, one of many) is stalling the dang engine on the 530 - usually going up hill because I try to throttle back trying to not break loose and then forget to use the bloomin clutch. I've managed to stall the R but I had to really work at it. Since the 300 has no engine braking to begin with, the R is a non issue there. The R makes me ride better than my limited abilities should permit. BUT... I truly enjoy the feel of using the clutch on the 530. It feels more like I'm riding a motorcycle. Puts me and that back tire in a real close relationship with each other. I don't want a Rekluse on that bike. Probably not the answer you're looking for but there ya go.
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Old 01-30-2017, 11:15 AM   #24
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Re: What is your experience with Rekluse Auto Clutches?

When I was teaching my kids to ride, the rekluse was brilliant, if they fell of I could stop in any gear jump of the bike and help them (Didn't have to find neutral and then get off). Now that my kids almost never fall off, the rekluse has limited use, I do like it, but when using engine braking down steep hills and it suddenly disengages, I often need to change my underwear!! They do make riding loose ground easier, but as I mostly ride Dual sport these days, it's rare that I hit really loose and difficult dirt. They are great clutches, but if I was buying a new bike now, I would not spend the extra money on one as my riding just doesn't need it, if the bike comes with one I would never remove it, they are great!!

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Re: What is your experience with Rekluse Auto Clutches?

just bought a 450 yammy, friend insisted I get the Rekluse, I got the 3.0, changed the whole nature of dirt riding. Dont think I would own another dirt bike without one.
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Speaking of clutch disengaement on the downhills...Free wheeling down those mountain trails in CO with the engine off is hands down the best way to get yourself totally dialed in on your braking technic. Nothing like several thousand feet of steep descent to get you in practice. I spent an entire half day running my little TW up the trail until it reached the elevation where it simply couldn't climb any further ( about 12,000 feet) Then i would turn off the engine and free roll all the way down to the bottom. I must have done that at least 20 times. My ability to apply just the right amount of front & rear binders improved greatly, as did my ability to carry rolling momentum thru a corner. I adamantly advise anyone to try this on a few long steep descents. Watch and see if your braking & riding abilities don't suddenly improve.
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Speaking of clutch disengaement on the downhills...Free wheeling down those mountain trails in CO with the engine off is hands down the best way to get yourself totally dialed in on your braking technic. Nothing like several thousand feet of steep descent to get you in practice. I spent an entire half day running my little TW up the trail until it reached the elevation where it simply couldn't climb any further ( about 12,000 feet) Then i would turn off the engine and free roll all the way down to the bottom. I must have done that at least 20 times. My ability to apply just the right amount of front & rear binders improved greatly, as did my ability to carry rolling momentum thru a corner. I adamantly advise anyone to try this on a few long steep descents. Watch and see if your braking & riding abilities don't suddenly improve.
When riding with friends up there we cost raced down some of the roads. All line up and starting rolling. Pretty fun to carry speed through the corners and still hit speeds of 45 and better to hear the suspension working underneath you.
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I have the older Z Start Pro (full kit but with the OEM cover) on my YZ250 and if the bike didn't have it on there I would either put one on it or sell the bike. Honestly, I will never own another dirt bike without one on it. I'm no racer, and honestly I don't get out enough to keep my*nasty terrain clutch skills in tip top shape, so the Rekluse just makes for a much more enjoyable ride.

Now for dual sport riding like Big Bend, all of the normal DS riding in and around the Alpine Loop in CO, and so forth; I think they are very much not needed. But for first and second gear nasty rocky off-road riding it would be my number one modification after suspension tuning.
Just the opposite, Bill. One of the first advanced off road riding skills I learned was to use the clutch and kill switch as a rear brake on down hills. Now it is such an ingrained habit I screw up what an auto clutch does. I just can't ride without screwing up an auto clutch's action, so I'd never own a bike with one. When I discipline focus I can let the auto clutches do their things, and I can see why they are so lovable, but most of my riding these days is instinct, by feel, and it is rare for me to stop, pick a line, make a plan, and execute. I pretty much look, decide if I can make it or not, and just go. I'm usually too occupied sight seeing to think about controlling the bike, it just happens instinctively. People often ask me how I did this or that, and I just get this confused look and can't really tell because I don't really know.
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There's definitely a learning curve associated with an auto-clutch. And as mentioned, it pays dividends during extended rides in technical terrain. After a couple of hours most riders adapt to the new technology and begin to appreciate the Rekluse's capabilities.

As for downhills, those accustomed to engine braking may need to drop down a gear to ensure the Rekluse is engaged. However, disc brakes are so effective that engine braking (literally required during the era of drum brakes) is nearly an afterthought. The brakes also provide greater control and better "flow" over downhill obstacles.

The Rekluse is not for everyone, and those folks riding non-technical terrain could find better ways to spend $500+. Those who ride tight woods and rocks will benefit the most from an auto-clutch's peace of mind.


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Assuming one has the available funds, it also might be "worth it" if your clutch is particularly stiff to operate. Clutching my WR-450 all day long makes my hand go into muscle cramps by mid afternoon.
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Hands down the best mod I've made short of custom suspension. I put a 3.0 on both my KTM 500 and my wife's KTM Freeride. Those are about as opposite types of bikes you can get and the Rekluse works great on both. On a big 4 stroke like the 500, you start riding everything in second or third, even tight trails, because there is enough available torque. Setup is key, I swapped the springs out after my second ride at SHNF and haven't touched it since. Been to Colorado twice now with them. If you feel like you need some engine breaking coming down those long mountain roads, just blip the throttle and the clutch plates engage and don't disengage until the rpms drop back down. I'll never own another bike that I can't put a Rekluse on, that's how much I love them.
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There's definitely a learning curve associated with an auto-clutch. And as mentioned, it pays dividends during extended rides in technical terrain. After a couple of hours most riders adapt to the new technology and begin to appreciate the Rekluse's capabilities.

As for downhills, those accustomed to engine braking may need to drop down a gear to ensure the Rekluse is engaged. However, disc brakes are so effective that engine braking (literally required during the era of drum brakes) is nearly an afterthought. The brakes also provide greater control and better "flow" over downhill obstacles.

The Rekluse is not for everyone, and those folks riding non-technical terrain could find better ways to spend $500+. Those who ride tight woods and rocks will benefit the most from an auto-clutch's peace of mind.


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My personal problem with engine braking was when fast riding and charging a corner, at the worst moment rpm dropped to the point it would free wheel. Of course I pretty much learned to adapt but still got surprised once in a while. Some of this was worse at first as I was "cheating" and riding a gear high because I could. So it would free wheel sooner in too high of gear. So I lost the advantage of running a higher gear by staying in proper gear.
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The "gear high" riding style does keep RPM low while maintaining speed. The bike relaxes at lower RPM, resulting in more supple suspension and and increased engine fluidity (ie less "jerky").

The freewheeling effect in corners can be used to a rider's advantage. Drive in deep, chop the throttle and step on the rear brake, since there's no worry of stalling. As the back slides around, roll the throttle, and since you're a gear high, the bike will accelerate in a deliberate fashion, but not too aggressively. Want more juice? Feather the clutch, as Rekluse has full clutch functionality as an option.


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, I learned to ride it, but sold the bike and for now no intention of adding to current bike. But never know!!
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Good point about the increased effectiveness of modern brakes, My TW still has the original rear shoes with 58,000 miles on them. It's been through several sets of pads on the front. I expect if I was a newbie today and had the $$$ I'd probably go with a Rekluse or similar, but old habits die hard. The older I get the more difficult it is to adapt from one bike to another.
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I tuned a Husky 430 auto for a friend many years ago , when I test rode it in a well used trail section thru the woods the first couple miles were spent trying to figure it out and the next few miles were way faster than I ever rode one of my bikes , brakes or gas , all or nothing slide into the berm in the corner while you roll back on the gas when it's pointed the right direction off the brakes and wfo toward the next corner then do it all over again . The only issue with the Husky is that's the only way the bike could be ridden was locked up brakes or wfo , no such thing as puttin along enjoying the scenery . I have never felt my Recluse let go and freewheel because as I'm slowing down I'm down shifting to be in the right gear when it's time to go again and on the brakes if I want to slide the wheel so what I don't kill the motor . It really shines on steep nasty up hills , trials ride up picking you line thru the rocks or blast up if it's smooth both ways work just fine and you never stall the motor . For off road it's the ultimate cheater , no need for it on the highway . I've been tossing around the idea of a electric paddle shifter but I haven't got finding neutral figured out yet .
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I looked to see what I am running in my bikes , the 450 EXC is the original Rekluse , the Beta has a Core EXP 2.0 and the one for the 950 SE is a EXP 3.0 not installed yet .
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I will be anxious to hear how it holds up, and if you like having it on a bigger bore road bike. Have an Africa Twin that I might want to put one in.
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