since we're talking about the breakdown in the fabric of society...I learned from a friend that works at Lowes that basically Lowes and Walmart won't stop anyone shoplifting if there's not an LP guy on premise, and even then, they inform the cops, but don't necessarily call them. He got written up for calling the cops on a guy when the LP guy wasn't there. Last week, he had a guy roll out with a flat cart near closing time with their entire stock of Dewalt large circular saw blades and two blowers and never looked back. 5% shrinkage in a $50 mill store is a lot. :crazy: It's all about what you can get away with now, it seems, not what's the right thing to do.