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Old 08-22-2016, 01:57 PM   #21
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Re: Going Tubeless on the AT

After having removed both front and back tires on the AT, I am happy if I can plug a leak 50% of the time. With any luck that will be the rear tire because it was a BUGGER to get off and on again. It is really the same stuff, plus some plugs and a plugger tool, so really just two extra things to have both sides covered.

Now for quick local rides, I will leave the tubes and tire irons at home in the little pack, but will carry the rest. That is what a wife and pickup is for, she can always come get me (yea that sounds bad even to me)
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Old 08-22-2016, 03:16 PM   #22
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Unfortunately you still need to carry all of that same as before plus now a tubeless plug kit, spare valve stem and Outex repair kit. As well as more than likely a better air source. Very hard to plug a flat tubeless tire without first pumping air into it. Then you'll loose some air while repairing and need to air up again.

Not trying to discourage as tubeless is the way to go but you need to carry more not less when riding backcountry where you are self sufficient for repairs.

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Well, it is always a game of chance. In all the miles I've ridden GS off roads, I've yet to have a tire on the GS come off the rim (break the bead) as the result of a puncture. Nor have I ever full on slashed a tire. So all I've ever had to do is jam a one of those sticky thread strip thingies in there, nicely lubed with rubber cement, let it sit a few minutes, trim the excess, add air to flavor and go.

Now if the bead were to break loose, that would be bad... I would probably be screwed... Even the little electric pumps (which I do carry even on the KTM with the tube tires) rarely add volume fast enough to pop the bead back on unless it is already making a pretty good seal against the rim. About the only solution there would be to carry a tube, which gets back to that chance thing since I don't carry a tube for the GS... I rely on my KTM buddies for that
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Old 08-22-2016, 04:33 PM   #23
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Well, it is always a game of chance. In all the miles I've ridden GS off roads, I've yet to have a tire on the GS come off the rim (break the bead) as the result of a puncture. Nor have I ever full on slashed a tire. So all I've ever had to do is jam a one of those sticky thread strip thingies in there, nicely lubed with rubber cement, let it sit a few minutes, trim the excess, add air to flavor and go.

Now if the bead were to break loose, that would be bad... I would probably be screwed... Even the little electric pumps (which I do carry even on the KTM with the tube tires) rarely add volume fast enough to pop the bead back on unless it is already making a pretty good seal against the rim. About the only solution there would be to carry a tube, which gets back to that chance thing since I don't carry a tube for the GS... I rely on my KTM buddies for that

Ratchet strap works pretty well if you carry a couple for something like a hammock. If you have some kind of spray that will burn you can pop it back on there with that and a lighter.
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Old 08-22-2016, 06:17 PM   #24
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Re: Going Tubeless on the AT

Does the AT have safety beads on both front and rear rims? For example, on the old KTM 950/990, the rear did, but the front did not. You definitely want safety bead rims if you are converting to tubeless. I assume the AT does have.
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Old 08-22-2016, 06:52 PM   #25
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Ratchet strap works pretty well if you carry a couple for something like a hammock. If you have some kind of spray that will burn you can pop it back on there with that and a lighter.
I have seen that done with jeep/truck off road tires. I've never attempted it. It looks like a fast way to remove what hair I have left on my head...
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Old 08-22-2016, 07:59 PM   #26
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I have seen that done with jeep/truck off road tires. I've never attempted it. It looks like a fast way to remove what hair I have left on my head...


We did it up here for a motorcycle tire tech day and it does work quite well. The big difference is to not add too much fuel. Not for purposes of eyebrow preservation, but too much produces too rich of an environment and won't ignite as fast.

Oh and keep the valve core out as it will let air in once the heated air starts to cool. Otherwise it can possibility suck the tire off the bead again.
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Oh and keep the valve core out
Forgot about that part. It's one of the reasons why I keep a little valve core remover in my tool kit.
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Old 08-23-2016, 08:52 AM   #28
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I ordered a set of red billet aluminum valve stem covers / removers, should be here soon I hope


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Old 08-26-2016, 04:48 PM   #29
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Re: Going Tubeless on the AT

No major rides yet, but the tubeless is holding up just fine so far. They haven't lost a single pound of air since I put them on...
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Old 12-06-2016, 07:58 PM   #30
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Re: Going Tubeless on the AT

[quote=Johnf3;1455418]The tube to tubeless conversion using tape or other sealant has been going on for 10 years or more, so there is no question it will work.

The only thing that caught my eye was when you were talking about airing down TKC 80s on a 500 pound bike. I was just trying to help you avoid rim damage.

Edit: I just pulled into my place in the mountains so I went out and took a quick picture of one of the dings on the rim that could pose a problem with tubeless.. There are two or three on each side and I don't go under 30 psi off road on my 500 pound bike. If you don't ride to the point where you slam into rocks and bend rims, then no issues with the tubeless conversion.

I ran off road keeps. All the guys are running tubeless. No has issues. I'm thinking of following your lead.
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Old 12-06-2016, 08:02 PM   #31
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Forgot about this thread. I have since put on about 2,000 miles with three different sets of tires, some of it in Colorado with some killer hard / fast rides on lots of big rock country. Tore off several knobs on my rear TKC80 which was shot after 350 miles. Several hill country rides and still perfect !!! I rode with 34 lbs in front and 36 in the rear while in Colorado. Was willing to give up some traction for the extra rim protection. Somehow they are still round
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