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Old 11-21-2017, 07:52 AM   #21
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Re: Motorcycle Aftermarket Groups File for Chapter 11

Inefficient businesses come & go. That's the nature of capitalism, smarter & more efficient business are born & replace the old outdated models. Business Darwinism. Sears has long been struggling, their business model is way outdated, & their goods are now mostly made in China (no longer American made).

I can sure do without the blabber about "capitalism run amok" & the BS about Trumps tax proposal. I'd suggest reading more Rand, Hayek, von Mises, & less Marx.

https://mises.org/about-mises/what-austrian-economics

Any money that business are taxed, comes from the customers themselves. If Sears has taxes raised 10%, they pass on that cost to consumers (you & I). Meaning people will buy less. Lower business taxes means lower consumer costs, & more purchasing. Business don't exist to provide an ever increasing tax pool for political manipulation, they exist to make a profit for investors. If they can't make a profit, investors will pull out & put their money where it will make money.

If people dont like keeping more of their own money, lower consumer costs, & having businesses compete for customers, there are plenty of other countries that follow socialist ideals, you could move there.

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Old 11-21-2017, 10:47 AM   #22
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Well, James, the guy that owns El Campo Cycles (Suzuki, Honda, Polaris and formerly Victory) says he sells way more lawn equipment and UTVs than bikes. The bikes collect dust on the showroom and the zero turns and Polaris UTVs make him money.

I order stuff off the net. When you live so far from anywhere, it's just more convenient. I did my first store pick up through Walmart a while back. Okay, but it's 20 miles to the nearest Walmart. But, I'm going to Columbus a lot anyway. We eat out there some and going to pick up a package is good reason to eat out.
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Old 11-21-2017, 11:35 AM   #23
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Well, James, the guy that owns El Campo Cycles (Suzuki, Honda, Polaris and formerly Victory) says he sells way more lawn equipment and UTVs than bikes. The bikes collect dust on the showroom and the zero turns and Polaris UTVs make him money.
That is another piece of the puzzle. What used to be Columbus Cycles is now Columbus outfitters and motorcycles make up a small percentage of their sales. There are a lot of alternatives to motorcycles, most of them easier to use for a newbie. I'd happily trade my wife's DR200 for something like a Honda Rancher.
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Old 11-21-2017, 11:59 AM   #24
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Read post #15. Sky high rents it is, as the hedge fund manager that bought Sears sold off the leases to a company he owns and then leased the space back to Sears at usurious rates.

He'll also benefit mightily from Trump's tax proposals.
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=...RSYaPRYvfLSiVb

Here is another one. Man selling the Craftsman brand off to Stanley??? The only reason a bunch of us go into Sears. Looks like Sears won't be around too much longer. Sad days indeed.
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Old 11-21-2017, 03:25 PM   #25
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Hate to tell you Stanley been making craftsman tools since the 70's like whirlpool has been making Kenmore

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Old 11-21-2017, 05:28 PM   #26
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I too was sad to hear the Craftsman brand sold. But before that I noticed the quality dropped significantly. I don't know about the Stanley deal but a craftsman socket set from the 90s compared to today reflect a loss of both metal weight in the socket wrench and less fit of each socket. But I intend on sneaking in there this season and getting a few more screwdrivers and other odds and ends.

I'll go to Sears in Town East Mall once more and I expect I'll be one of few speaking English 400 miles north of the border. But I guess there would be even less in Sears without the illegals.
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Here is another one. Man selling the Craftsman brand off to Stanley??? The only reason a bunch of us go into Sears. Looks like Sears won't be around too much longer. Sad days indeed.
That's just blabber apparently.

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Any money that business are taxed, comes from the customers themselves. If Sears has taxes raised 10%, they pass on that cost to consumers (you & I). Meaning people will buy less. Lower business taxes means lower consumer costs, & more purchasing. Business don't exist to provide an ever increasing tax pool for political manipulation, they exist to make a profit for investors. If they can't make a profit, investors will pull out & put their money where it will make money.

If people dont like keeping more of their own money, lower consumer costs, & having businesses compete for customers, there are plenty of other countries that follow socialist ideals, you could move there.
Another happy commentator who hasn't actually bothered to read the material. Sears has been systematically destroyed to benefit an individual Hedge Fund manager. So get off your high horse & Economics 101 lecture.

http://www.businessinsider.com/sears...chances-2017-1
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Old 11-21-2017, 06:37 PM   #29
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Another happy commentator who hasn't actually bothered to read the material. Sears has been systematically destroyed to benefit an individual Hedge Fund manager. So get off your high horse & Economics 101 lecture.

http://www.businessinsider.com/sears...chances-2017-1
Who allowed the hedge fund manager to ruin the company? Did he do anything illegal? Poorly run companies are bought, sold, & liquidated in America every day. Sears has been run piss-poorly for decades now, the sooner they die off the better, so someone who meets the needs of their customers better can take their place. Sky-high rent at dying malls all across the country, with crappy Chineese goods, terrible customer service, doesn't sound like a good business plan to me.

I wouldn't give out basic economic lectures if I didn't have to hear blather like "capitalism run amok" & other anti-capitalism garbage. In your first 2 posts in this thread, it's obvious that you have little understanding of capitalism. I'm sure that extends to many other aspects of basic economics, as well.
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Well then I shall bow to your demonstrably superior knowledge. Thank you for pointing out some of my many shortcomings but I hope one day to be able to at least look upon the the lofty seat of high learning you currently occupy.
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I too was sad to hear the Craftsman brand sold. But before that I noticed the quality dropped significantly. I don't know about the Stanley deal but a craftsman socket set from the 90s compared to today reflect a loss of both metal weight in the socket wrench and less fit of each socket. But I intend on sneaking in there this season and getting a few more screwdrivers and other odds and ends.

I'll go to Sears in Town East Mall once more and I expect I'll be one of few speaking English 400 miles north of the border. But I guess there would be even less in Sears without the illegals.
I am in favor of people speaking more than one language, even with an accent . . .

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Huge sign of the times for the struggling motorcycle industry.

…Many of these companies are heavily involved in the cruiser and dirt bike markets. Both are declining markets evidenced by the demise of Victory Motorcycles and Suzuki Motocross Racing.
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The majority of bikes and accessory sales in the US is cruiser related. Off-road motorcycles is relatively small in comparison. At least it was just a few years ago. Sales dropping? Yes, but for a multitude of reasons I think. It is not just one brand, but across the board.

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I don't think it is merely a lack of interest that is the problem…. There are countless studies that have be done showing that incomes for the middle class have not kept pace with inflation. The simple reality is that for many people, bikes are becoming a luxury… Every bike I have owned since then has been purchased used. I don't buy tons of accessories and farkles either. I buy good gear, but then I hang on to it for 5-7 years at least.
I agree. The last 8 years we have been told inflation was almost nonexistent. Wrong. Just ask your wife about her grocery bill or look at what a basic lunch cost now in comparison to eight years about. Heck, just 4 years ago!

Price of accessories? Well, when you have companies mandating Minimum Advertised Pricing on accessories, you will overpay. Why do brands do that? To keep the price artificially high to promote a sense of quality that you help to create by paying that premium price. Now you are one of the fortunate ones who could afford the “good” stuff. Sets you a little apart? The premise behind this is the manufacturer makes more $$ because it allows dealers to make more – if they can sell the high price stuff. It also encourages the dealer to stock more product because they cannot be undersold (in theory) over the internet. When people can’t afford the "ggod" stuff, they buy brands that do not have MAP restrictions. Quality is likely the same. It’s all made overseas.
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