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Old 03-26-2009, 04:37 PM   #41
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Your friend can be proud of his/her patriotism, for owning an American ride.
Do you really want to go there?
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Old 03-26-2009, 05:16 PM   #42
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Peg and control placement are quite different. The 1200R is gone, it had what Harley called "mids", but to someone who grew up on dirt or standards I'd call it "mild-forwards". Everything else is "forward" controls, which I can't ride, but lots of folks love it. The Nightster still has mids, and trades cheap shocks for cheap shocks with no travel, to get that cool hunkered down look

The XR1200 has "rearsets" for a Harley, I'd call 'em normal.
Can't you still buy the mids from Harley? They seem to offer everything else (as long as it is chromed).

I kind of like Sportsters, myself.


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Old 03-26-2009, 05:17 PM   #43
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Your friend can be proud of his/her patriotism, for owning an American ride.

I'm not try to be a jerk, but this is the one myth I can dispell.

There are just about as many parts made in China on a Harley as there is on a Honda. Hondas and Harleys are both assembled in America though, employing American laborers. I'm not berating you, I'm just saying the belief that Harleys are all American is tainted slightly. I did a lot of research on Harley's production and labor issues while in college but ironically I have never ridden one. Also, if I remember correctly they use foreign steel. (This fact I am not 100% on so I may have mispoken)

I would be curious where Kawasaki's are assembled since I just gave them a chunk of change.
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Old 03-26-2009, 05:39 PM   #44
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Old 03-26-2009, 06:15 PM   #45
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I would be curious where Kawasaki's are assembled since I just gave them a chunk of change.

Japan, just like the Hondas. If you go back and look you will find that Honda pulled back there motorcycle production and it is all in Japan now, but to keep the plant open they moved more of there Lawn Care items to the US.


Sportsters are great bikes and the only Harley I know that leak oil are doing it because they are not ridden enough.
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Old 03-26-2009, 06:29 PM   #46
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Japan, just like the Hondas. If you go back and look you will find that Honda pulled back there motorcycle production and it is all in Japan now, but to keep the plant open they moved more of there Lawn Care items to the US.


Sportsters are great bikes and the only Harley I know that leak oil are doing it because they are not ridden enough.
Really? I read somewhere that Honda intends to build passenger cars at the Marysville, OH plant after motorcycle production is relocated to the new plant in Japan a year or so from now...

All the major players use parts/components made in more than one country and Harley Davidson is not an exception. Indeed, H-D uses some of the same suppliers as are used by some/most of the Japanese motorcycle manufacturers.
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Old 03-26-2009, 07:21 PM   #47
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I think where a bike is designed is just as important, if not more, than where it's built. Having bike designed in USA means lots of good paying, white collar, engineering jobs. When you buy a Japan/German/China brand, you're effectively off shoring good paying jobs to those countries. USA is not as competitive as a lot of other countries when it comes to manufacturing, but we sure can out design 'em. We do what we do best--design and engineering. Let 'em do what they do best--manufacturing. Free market, hee-haw.
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Old 03-26-2009, 07:53 PM   #48
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I think where a bike is designed is just as important, if not more, than where it's built. Having bike designed in USA means lots of good paying, white collar, engineering jobs. When you buy a Japan/German/China brand, you're effectively off shoring good paying jobs to those countries. USA is not as competitive as a lot of other countries when it comes to manufacturing, but we sure can out design 'em. We do what we do best--design and engineering. Let 'em do what they do best--manufacturing. Free market, hee-haw.
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Old 03-26-2009, 07:55 PM   #49
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You are correct IMO. This thread is deteriorating rapidly, and it started off on such a positive note...
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Old 03-26-2009, 08:12 PM   #50
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I'm not try to be a jerk, but this is the one myth I can dispell.

There are just about as many parts made in China on a Harley as there is on a Honda. Hondas and Harleys are both assembled in America though, employing American laborers. I'm not berating you, I'm just saying the belief that Harleys are all American is tainted slightly. I did a lot of research on Harley's production and labor issues while in college but ironically I have never ridden one. Also, if I remember correctly they use foreign steel. (This fact I am not 100% on so I may have mispoken)

I would be curious where Kawasaki's are assembled since I just gave them a chunk of change.
+1 on this. My Honda 1100 was made in that Marysville, OH plant that is now being re-tooled for cars. So, if that isn't "Made in America," then I'm not sure what is....
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Old 03-26-2009, 08:41 PM   #51
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In the age of multinational public corporations, does it really matter where the company is headquartered or where it has manufacturing plants? My Dodge truck was assembled in Saltillo, Mexico of parts made around the world.

Back to the original post.

Harley's are reliable, they don't leak oil, then handle well enough for most, and produce enough power to get you in trouble. I've seen competent riders on a XL1200 roadster eat an incompetent sport bike rider for lunch. Most riders can't ride a modern bike of any kind to anything near its maximum potential anyway.

Please don't let your admitted lack of knowledge of Harley's influce your friends choice of bike. I've rarely been disappointed when I bought exactly what I wanted in life and have regretted many purchses where a compromise was involved.
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Old 03-26-2009, 10:06 PM   #52
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I think where a bike is designed is just as important, if not more, than where it's built. Having bike designed in USA means lots of good paying, white collar, engineering jobs. When you buy a Japan/German/China brand, you're effectively off shoring good paying jobs to those countries. USA is not as competitive as a lot of other countries when it comes to manufacturing, but we sure can out design 'em. We do what we do best--design and engineering. Let 'em do what they do best--manufacturing. Free market, hee-haw.
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Old 03-27-2009, 12:01 AM   #53
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What got me originally interested in riding 7 years ago was a buddy's springer. I really liked the look of the bike. But after looking further, the price tag was a little much for me and then I saw the Spirt and 6 years later bought one.

My buddy has a 100th anny Sportster 1200 and it is a beautiful bike. His only comment was that my bike had a more comfortable seat.

Other than that, I have no experience with HD's but think the rumors are just that.

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Old 03-27-2009, 07:50 AM   #54
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His only comment was that my bike had a more comfortable seat.
That is definately a fair statement. I have never found a motorcycle seat I would refer to as comfortable but it always seems someone else has a more comfortable one than me. It's like your always one step away from getting there.

Also, yes honda did pull out thier US motorcycle production and shift around some locations. I just wanted to point out that I wouldn't let where a bike is made influence decision making because it is a global economy and things aren't always "made in America" that say they are.

As far a designs that is all in perspective. I think the Concours is he perfect bike, but not everyone agrees, which is why they don't fly off the showroom floors.

But thanks everybody for all the advice.
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A million miles on a Harley. That should help dispel any myths. And, no, it's not April fool's day yet.
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Old 03-27-2009, 09:48 AM   #56
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No doubt that every myth that Wes posted in the original post are no longer true. They may have been at some point, but definitely not the case for todays Harleys. I have two friends that have over 100K on their HDs. No problems, just regular maintenance. I don't know of anyone with that on their Japanese bikes. Not saying their aren't any, I know there are, but none that I see on a regular basis.
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Old 03-27-2009, 10:34 AM   #57
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Not picking a fight but 100,000 is pretty common on FJRs and STs.
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Not picking a fight but 100,000 is pretty common on FJRs and STs.

Most modern bikes are capable of 100K, but most don't see it because A.) They just aren't ridden that many miles and B.) They don't get serviced like they should.

I think most Sportsters will need top end work as the milage nears 100K, at least that's been my observation from the XL forum.

A lot of old bikes are locked up in garages and sheds with 10k on the speedometer.
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Not picking a fight but 100,000 is pretty common on FJRs and STs.

Like I said, I know they are out there, just haven't seen it myself. I hear about it all the time. But, just the same, it does go to show that an HD is plenty reliable.
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A lot of old bikes are locked up in garages and sheds with 10k on the speedometer.
Where? I want them. Always had the crazy idea of buying all the bikes I ever owned. Need an SP125, SP250, 88 GSX-R 750, and 86 GS700ES. Can you tell I grew up Suzuki?
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