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Old 08-16-2018, 12:10 PM   #41
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Re: Where do people find the cheap bikes?

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Haggling is a huge pain in the rear and is the most not fun you can have.
You know there's plenty of folks who enjoy haggling right?
Some cultures are offended if you don't haggle with them in fact. But I do think there's a right way and a wrong way to do it. For example, just emailing a lowball offer is not haggling, it's a hail Mary in case the seller is desperate.
Showing up and inspecting the bike with cash in hand, making an informed offer will usually result in good deals being done.
Just a different POV.
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Old 08-16-2018, 12:26 PM   #42
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Re: Where do people find the cheap bikes?

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First of all ... it's an offer. Not a disparaging comment about the person's mom.

It's a cheap bike because it's 20 years old, not a sought after model, 50K miles, well loved and a terrible rattle can paint job.
$500 is generous ...
Actually it is a sought after model by many. I wouldn't say rare, but only a few years of production and has lots going for it.

Nothing disparaging about making an offer you feel is warranted after research and inspection. Personally I'm never offended just quick to say no. But I also size up buyers beforehand so I don't waste my time.

My point in posting was to show OP that I felt bike was probably worth more than $500 and not to walk away if it ticked all his boxes otherwise.

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Old 08-16-2018, 02:43 PM   #43
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Re: Where do people find the cheap bikes?

Well, it is a two-way street ... what might be considered a "low-ball" is actually a price offered after the seller artificially jacks up the price. Works both ways.

And it's probably why one sees bikes on CL or ebay or CT stay up and for sale for weeks/months at a time. It's easy to point the finger at the BS. But if the seller creates it, it should be expected.
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Old 08-16-2018, 03:17 PM   #44
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Re: Where do people find the cheap bikes?

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You know there's plenty of folks who enjoy haggling right?
Some cultures are offended if you don't haggle with them in fact. But I do think there's a right way and a wrong way to do it. For example, just emailing a lowball offer is not haggling, it's a hail Mary in case the seller is desperate.
Showing up and inspecting the bike with cash in hand, making an informed offer will usually result in good deals being done.
Just a different POV.
Yea, but just because someone doesn't enjoy haggling and has a firm price doesn't mean the process won't be fun or go well.

Haggling buyers can often be the worst and the process is most assuredly not fun. Agreed on a price with a guy and offered to meet him halfway. Then he starts nipicking the bike and saying I should take this much off or that much off. Turns out, he didn't even bring the amount we'd agreed on because he expected to walk away with it for less. That was a process that was NOT fun. In fact, it's happened to me more than once that a buyer intentionally shows up without the money.

Again though, the haggling process demands that the seller jack up the price to get where he wants to be. So probably many of these bikes seen on craigslist can be had for less but are listed for more. I bet he can end up with a bike for $1K, it's just not going to be obvious and will be a process. The process could in fact end up being worse than the bonded title process, which I've done twice.
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Old 08-16-2018, 03:46 PM   #45
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Re: Where do people find the cheap bikes?

It's Craiglist, nobody lists for what they really need to sell it for. They always pad it.

Haggling is expected. It's how you figure out what they really want.

Or..just pay sticker if haggling upsets you. You'll be happy and the seller will be thrilled.
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Old 08-16-2018, 04:03 PM   #46
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Re: Where do people find the cheap bikes?

Haggling is an absolute part of the process whether I’m buying or selling.
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Old 08-16-2018, 04:24 PM   #47
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Re: Where do people find the cheap bikes?

I just effectively haggled over my Baby Bandit, I lowered the price until it was attractive and BAM! hooked one. Bike prices can be all over the place. I have lost more than I gained selling used bikes. Buying used bikes is both a joy and a pain as well. I am with Mitch, toss him a price, see what he says. If you still want it and they say no, you can either raise your offer or walk away. Nobody should ever get butthurt over a lowball offer. I have actually had more than a fair share of them myself. It works out when the buyer and seller are both happy. I find when I share with TWT I can get a huge range of responses assessing my deal. So, I usually do my deals in private.

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Old 08-16-2018, 04:24 PM   #48
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Re: Where do people find the cheap bikes?

You certainly beat me up on the blue devil. I'll get it back, though, in the morning.


Another point about haggling face to face ... some of us are hours apart.

Wouldn't it be prudent to test the waters so to speak to see if we are anywhere close in price?
Burning a day and $100 in gas can get expensive just to find out.

Also, talking on the phone can give both parties some assurances about the other's integrity.

texting and email leaves a paper trail to help old, feeble minds like mine remember what it was we discussed.

So there is more to it than having fun. It's business, not a game.
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