Score one for the anti-gun crowd

[ulric]

Originally Posted by Grover

Even if his actions were legal... I would ask does it make it morally right?

Sounds like he engaged in reckless behavior with a firearm, but that is something for the investigators to determine.

Same with Joe Horn. Just because what he did was termed within the law, does not make his actions morally right. We could extend this principal to law in other forms from Taxation. Taxing something, or on sliding scales may be legal, but does that make it right? Abortion is legal, but many argue for/against its moral and ethical implications. Conversly, there are actions which are against the law, but does it make it morally wrong to do so?

Don't impose YOUR morales on me. As far as I'm concerned, based on the information provide Joe Horn was fully right in his actions, and it will be god (if your religous) who will make final judgement.


What is important here are the differences...

Joe Horn confronted two men, and fired when it appeared they were approaching him on his property.

This store owner, from what I understand.. fired at a retreating thief outside his store location inside(?) a mall...


we also need to pay close attention to the code that Gixxerjason quoted...
but where he pointed to section B, we need to look at section 3 A & B

(3) he reasonably believes that:

(A) the land or property cannot be protected or recovered by any other means; or

(B) the use of force other than deadly force to protect or recover the land or property would expose the actor or another to a substantial risk of death or serious bodily injury.

There's a considerable difference between the two incidents

[Jack Giesecke]

Daytime, nighttime, by court precedent, the clock don't matter.

Via the following wording....

(3) he reasonably believes that:

(A) the land or property cannot be protected or recovered by any other means; or

....according to my last CCW instructor, a jury COULD be convinced that, if you have insurance, the property just might be protected and recoverable via other means. My bikes, my car, my van all have liability only, however, and I have fire and windstorm on the house, no homeowners anymore.

I am protected via Smith and Wesson security systems.

[Jack Giesecke]

Something entered my mind about this incident. What if I were in the mall, say, in Sears looking at refrigerators, I hear a gun shot, and some guy comes running by me, another guy is running at me aiming a firearm. My first reaction is going to be to duck behind cover and dram my weapon on him and if he's shooting, to shoot back! Since I reasonably fear for my life at that point, I'm within my rights to shoot the dude. How's about if the dude is running and shooting and he runs into a plain clothes or off duty cop? That's the cop trained to do if he looks up and a guy is running in his direction with a gun?

There are more reasons to worry about this sort of behavior than morality or breaking reckless endangerment laws. You could get yourself shot!