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Old 10-22-2017, 04:28 PM   #41
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Re: KTM 1190 Heat Reduction Advise

Here is the area where this barrier will sit.



And here it is in place.



And I added additional reflective heat barrier on the the insert.



I'll ride it a bit either tomorrow or Tuesday and see if I can tell a difference.
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Old 10-23-2017, 07:43 AM   #42
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Where did you purchase the heat reflective material?
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Old 10-23-2017, 08:00 AM   #43
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Re: KTM 1190 Heat Reduction Advise

I used the "Support TWT" link in the header to order it from Amazon.

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0...?ie=UTF8&psc=1


Testing update ...

Rode about 2 hours with light wind and temps in the 80s.
And amazingly enough, I think the insert works.

I just zip-tied in place and reinstalled the KTM PP ergo seat. No tape to seal the gaps.
The outer edges of the seat were noticeably warmer to the touch than the middle.

My inner thighs were feeling the warm air up to about 40 mph. After that, heat just on the edges of the seat.
The heat energy has to go somewhere.
It appears the heated air is flushed out the sides.
But after some windspeed, it is dissipated rapidly.

Before i begin taping anything, I'm gonna ride it for a while just to make sure my butt-o-meter is properly calibrated.
But I gotta say ... I'm pleasantly surprised at just how well it seems to work.
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Old 11-11-2017, 08:59 PM   #44
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Re: KTM 1190 Heat Reduction Advise

So far I've installed the insulated rear header pipe and the plastic barrier panel under the seat with thermal barrier installed and this thing is still hot. Road 200+ miles today in mid-60 degree weather and could really feel the heat radiating up around the legs and bottom of seat.

I have the triangular panels coming soon and will install a reflective barrier on those before installing them but I don't have much hope that'll help that much.

The good news is the bike is awesome. Handles beautifully 2-up and packs a great punch when you spur it.
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Old 11-12-2017, 07:25 PM   #45
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Re: KTM 1190 Heat Reduction Advise

It sounds like you've done almost everything to try and resolve the excessive heat that's making riding a great bike an unpleasant experience. You've even gone two steps further than I did, with the addition of the insulated header and the seat barrier. It looks to me like the big difference between our two bikes is the skid plate. I would sure be interested to see if you saw any difference in the heat if you pulled your skid plate and took it for a test ride. I've always wondered if the big aftermarket skid plates covering the exhaust and lower portion of the engine wasn't trapping heat...
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Old 11-13-2017, 07:19 PM   #46
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It sounds like you've done almost everything to try and resolve the excessive heat that's making riding a great bike an unpleasant experience. You've even gone two steps further than I did, with the addition of the insulated header and the seat barrier. It looks to me like the big difference between our two bikes is the skid plate. I would sure be interested to see if you saw any difference in the heat if you pulled your skid plate and took it for a test ride. I've always wondered if the big aftermarket skid plates covering the exhaust and lower portion of the engine wasn't trapping heat...
Interesting thought. Do you have a skid plate installed?

On thing I noticed was that underway when I felt the heat I could open my legs a bit and get my knee into the airflow. This would dramatically reduce the heat very quickly. That was all well and good but it becomes uncomfortable after a while. Also, obviously doesn't help when in very slow traffic or stopped.

The Wings side covers have a very small scoop on the leading edge but I doubt there's any airflow in that area at any speed.

I'm starting to think the Rottweiler airbox upgrade will make a significant difference in that it allows air to pass through the tank center channel and funnel into the rear header area.

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Old 11-13-2017, 09:02 PM   #47
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Interesting thought. Do you have a skid plate installed?
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I just run the stock one. It leaves the exhaust and engine cases exposed to air. I know the stock doesn't offer much protection, but the two track I travel doesn't require much. But, if you could identify the aftermarket skid plate as the culprit to your excessive heat, then you could either find one that will allow better cooling or modify the existing one to vent better. It wouldn't take much to remove it and test the theory. Just a thought...
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Old 11-14-2017, 09:12 AM   #48
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Re: KTM 1190 Heat Reduction Advise

The wings covers will make a noticeable difference.
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The wings covers will make a noticeable difference.
I already have the KTM carbon infill panels on the way. Hopefully they'll have the same effect.
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Old 11-14-2017, 06:10 PM   #50
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Re: KTM 1190 Heat Reduction Advise

I have a B&B skid plate mounted, just to toss that into the mix.

I'm quite surprised to hear you still have a hot seat after everything you've done.
KTM PP ergo seat, insert and wrapped header pipe all seem to significantly reduce the amount of heat transferred to my rear end.

Rode about 250 miles today through Strawn and points north and east. Speeds varied from 80 on the pavement to 35 on gravel roads. RPM was typically 4500-5500. Seat was never uncomfortable.

Yours is a 15, right? Could there be that much difference in radiant heat?
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I have a B&B skid plate mounted, just to toss that into the mix.

I'm quite surprised to hear you still have a hot seat after everything you've done.
KTM PP ergo seat, insert and wrapped header pipe all seem to significantly reduce the amount of heat transferred to my rear end.

Rode about 250 miles today through Strawn and points north and east. Speeds varied from 80 on the pavement to 35 on gravel roads. RPM was typically 4500-5500. Seat was never uncomfortable.

Yours is a 15, right? Could there be that much difference in radiant heat?
Yep, it's a 2015.

I just ordered the non-heated (figured THAT's not necessary ) Ergo seat front and back an hour ago. When I get it I'll put some type of heat barrier on the bottom of it before installing. My side panels should also be in by then as well. Last trick will be the Rottweiler air intake. I figure it HAS to be better at that point.

I REALLY want all this to work because I love the bike. I just know I loved my '04 FJR as well but lost some of the joy due to the constant heat.
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Re: KTM 1190 Heat Reduction Advise

My Ergo seat has barrier already installed.
I was prepared to add more, though.
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Old 11-16-2017, 08:43 AM   #53
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Re: KTM 1190 Heat Reduction Advise

For me it wasn't the heat through the seat that was bothersome, it was the heat on the legs that was the problem. This spring I am going to remove the CAT and see what difference it makes.
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Old 11-16-2017, 08:56 AM   #54
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Here is a thread I found. I have only read the first few pages and I thought you guys may find it interesting.

http://advrider.com/index.php?thread...eplace.972201/
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Re: KTM 1190 Heat Reduction Advise

Thanks JTS. I went through that entire thread and I think I'm following most of their suggestions.

I looked at the CAT when I had the skid plate off and was installing the rear header pipe. I don't have the tools or skill to cut that thing open, gut it and then re-weld it. I'll either have to take it to a muffler shop or buy the Arrow full headers which is big $$$'s

'Hopefully' some of the other things I'm doing will make it livable enough to not mess with the CAT.

If you end up gutting it let us know how effective it was.
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Old 11-17-2017, 12:55 PM   #56
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Will do, I noticed that Rottweiler also sells new exhausts for our bike that doesn't have a cat in it and you can order it ceramic coated to aid in heat reduction. I think it was around $800. I may put it on my Christmas list.
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