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Old 05-06-2011, 02:27 PM   #21
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Re: San Antonio's Mad Scientist Tire Academy

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Eeewww, gross. We'll have to agree to disagree on that one.
Ok for you we add bacon
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Old 05-06-2011, 02:33 PM   #22
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I'll take my bacon on the side please.


Wouldn't want to ruin perfectly good bacon.
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Old 05-06-2011, 05:41 PM   #23
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So many good openings, sigh.................................just to far away. And that promised BBQ!! [ it was promised, right? ] Anyway, wish I could be there even though I don't have a DS.
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Old 05-06-2011, 06:07 PM   #24
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I use individual size bottles of bubbles for my tire lube. The 'party pack' of 24 was $2 or so. I have a gargantuan bottle that lives in my tire change bucket. I have never had a problem seating a bead with a little bubble juice on the bead. I like that there is no alcohol to dry the rubber out. In fact, the glycerin is a rubber rejuvenator of sorts. I have plumped up cracked and squished carb o-rings long enough to get new parts in the mail. And, it will let you know real quick if you pinched the tube!

I have just ordered one of these (linky) so I can take the 24mm and 17mm sockets and breaker bar out of my tool bag.

My trail kit has 3 nesting MotionPro 8 1/2" basic irons. My toolbox at home has 2 MotionPro 16" irons and 2 old Craftsman 16" irons.
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I would suggest that in the future that the class be held on a patch of baby head rocks and cactus. You know, to give it that air of authenticity.




Good idea even with out the cactus and rocks.
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Old 05-07-2011, 05:20 AM   #26
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I would suggest that in the future that the class be held on a patch of baby head rocks and cactus. You know, to give it that air of authenticity.


I may also add 4 or 5 cardboard cutouts of "buddies" standing around in various states of apparent frustration, to give the practice scene even more of that air of authenticity.
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Old 05-07-2011, 09:59 AM   #27
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I may also add 4 or 5 cardboard cutouts of "buddies" standing around in various states of apparent frustration, to give the practice scene even more of that air of authenticity.
If each one isn't offering it's own piece of completely different and generally incorrect advice, it won't be that authentic.
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If each one isn't offering it's own piece of completely different and generally incorrect advice, it won't be that authentic.
Somebody get started on the cutouts and we can put balloons with the incorrect advice printed inside each. Just like the comics! How ever having some seasoned veterns show up would really help set the mood.
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Old 05-08-2011, 10:45 PM   #30
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I hope someone decides to try taking the class during the july 9th BBQ. EVERYBODY could stand around and tell them the proper way to fix the tire.

Trice, what kind of pump do you recommend on the trail? I have a slime brand one that has served me well, but 2 years later and its ready to die. My dad just got the little aerostitch one, but neither of us have used it in its actual setting. Just wanna know what youve had experience with, and what you, being the master, recommend.
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Old 05-09-2011, 08:23 AM   #31
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I hope someone decides to try taking the class during the july 9th BBQ. EVERYBODY could stand around and tell them the proper way to fix the tire.

Trice, what kind of pump do you recommend on the trail? I have a slime brand one that has served me well, but 2 years later and its ready to die. My dad just got the little aerostitch one, but neither of us have used it in its actual setting. Just wanna know what youve had experience with, and what you, being the master, recommend.
I use a Slime pump also. I also have another brand. It really doesn't matter, what does matter is that you practice with it. A lot of riders, what they do is they throw what they think is a reasonable tire kit together and hit the trail. Then, they're taking their tire kit out and hoping they can figure out how it all works without ever having practiced before. I've seen this with tubeless tires too and tire plug kits.

I'm not a tire flat fixing master, but I've seen those guys on the trail. What I did figure out is that to really enjoy being out there on a motorcycle adventure, it's prudent to be able to be self-sufficient in the tire department. What I've learned is that practice is the key, and you really can't practice unless you've done it at least once in a controlled situation, with someone helping you figure it out. Well, at least it's much easier that way. I think it was on one of Richard's Beyond Epic Junction rides where I watched RickM do the flat on a rear tire on a KLR. I quickly realized I wasn't anywhere near his skill level on dealing with a thorn in a tire, and if I had to do what he did for myself or a riding buddy, we'd be there all day. That's when I went home and decided to pull the wheels on my KLR and watch online videos and read posts and talk to people and figure out how to make flat fixing and tire changing painless. And that's a good point to emphasize - it isn't just for flats - I do all my tire change outs/new rubber installation just like one would do on the side of a dirt road, on a tarp in the driveway with only my "road" tools. I even gave away my tire stand.

This job is pretty easy if you know the key tricks. And it's those tricks along with an emphasis on building a really good, lightweight, simple trail kit for tires that I enjoy showing folks. I didn't invent these tricks - I simply pay attention to the real experts out there and put my own hodgepodge tool kit and lesson plan together to help other people.
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Old 05-09-2011, 08:32 AM   #32
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Re: San Antonio's Mad Scientist Tire Academy

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If each one isn't offering it's own piece of completely different and generally incorrect advice, it won't be that authentic.


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Somebody get started on the cutouts and we can put balloons with the incorrect advice printed inside each. Just like the comics! How ever having some seasoned veterns show up would really help set the mood.
I was thinking about getting out the industrial fan and the garden hose, and having my wife clang two garbage can lids together, to simulate patching a flat during a thunderstorm.
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Old 05-09-2011, 01:23 PM   #33
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Next Class is 14 May

Class is IN SESSION this coming Saturday 14 May at 1 PM at Casa Tricepilot. Carl (WhiskeySmith) is coming over from Seguin.




I will also be BBQing CHICKEN on the BIG GREEN EGG for anyone who wants to stop by and play the role of helpful kibbitzer

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Old 05-14-2011, 06:21 PM   #34
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Re: San Antonio's Mad Scientist Tire Academy

WhiskeySmith (Carl) came over this afternoon with his F800 and we did the front tire on his bike for flat repair school.

Did a round of steakburgers on the Big Green Egg prior to wrenching just to make sure there was enough energy to do the job.

Tools, technique, and helpful hints to keep a dirt bike on the trail.

Also sacrificed an old tire for tubeless plug practice and a tube for patch practice.

Then on to a Thai restaurant for some excellent food and to meet Carl's beautiful girlfriend (Supat - I think that's her name). Thanks for the meal, Carl

Schizzman was down from Austin to make sure all went well.
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Wow, what can I say other than "Bob is The Man!"

As he mentioned, there were steakburgers, technique and helpful hints were passed along ( I've got to make sure I get me one of them "hook" thingy's ), he provided a tire and tube (new, I think) for plug and patching practice. Schizzman came down and shared stories from his recent Mexico trip.

What Bob didn't mention is that he also discussed other common "breakdowns" that might occur on the trail and my readiness to overcome them. All of this on a day when he had a family event later in the evening that he also needed to be ready for.

Thank you Bob and Schizzman, for taking to the time to help me become a better rider.

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Old 05-17-2011, 07:51 AM   #36
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Recommended Flat Tire Kit

Here is a list I recommend for your consideration. Experienced riders may have fewer or more or different, it's all good. This is a starting place, tailor your kit to suit your needs.

Front Tube Spare
Rear Tube Spare


I carry 2 each of the spare tubes, one set in a bag on the front fender of my KLR, and another set with the flat tire kit

Valve Core Spares
Valve Core Tool


In a pinch, you can replace a lost valve core by harvesting another from one of your spare tubes.

Tire Spoons

You'll need at least 3 to be efficient. I use Motion Pro. One has the correct socket size for the rear axle of the KLR built in.

Bead Buddy

Also by Motion Pro. See the video at the beginning of the thread.

Bead Lube

I use windex but I also have Bead Lube. Windex is cheap and evaporates quickly. This was also in the video.

Talc

Helps prevent pinch flats when reinstalling.

Valve Stem Nut Wrench

Totally optional. Helpful, but pliars can do the same job. Sometimes the valve stem nut is round and won't take a wrench, so pliars are fine.

Valve Hook Tool

I made one from a Craftsman hook with the end ground off so as not to poke the tube. Helps to grab the valve stem during reinstallation.

Electric Pump

Your choice. You'll need to practice with it to get familiar with it and know its limitations.

Battery Pigtail

No point in having an electric pump if you can't tap the battery.

Pigtail Extension Coord

Optional, helps when you're inflating someone elses tire.

Rubber Mallet

Helpful when removing/installing axles.

Bead Breaker

When with a friend, use your buddy's kickstand. When solo, may be helpful. There are different kinds on the market. Practice to know its capabilities and limitations.

Length of Wire or Coord

In the event you wish to suspend a brake assembly

Brake Pad Shim

Helpful in the event someone squeezes the brake lever. Prevents the brake pads closing with no rotor present.

Headlamp

What? You think all flats happen at high noon?

Reading Glasses

For the older guys.

Marking Chalk

Super handy for marking your place on a tube or tire

Pliars

To pull out the item that made the hole. Also can help remove valve nuts or cotter pins from axle nuts.

Socket Wrench

For axle nuts and pinch bolts. Will probably already be in your tool kit.

Axel Nut Socket

You can get a tire spoon from Motion Pro with your correct size built in.

Pinch Bolt Socket

Front axle item.

Socket Extension

May be required. Helpful on one side of a KLR front axle.

Gloves

Optional

Tarp

A small section of tarp keeps your area clean when working on a sandy trail. Keeps sand out of your bearings and helps keep things from getting lost in the sand. Can double as an emergency rain shelter or sleeping tarp. Doesn't need to be huge.

Rags

Optional

Patch Kit

Practice. Practice . Practice. Don't make the first time you use a patch kit a real world trail side situation. Always make sure the glue hasn't dried out from years of storage. Let the glue "flash over" before applying the patch. Sand the area, then clean the patch area with an alcohol wipe.

Alcohol Wipes

String Kit (or Plugs) for Tubeless Tires

Tire Pressure Guage
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Old 05-17-2011, 08:03 AM   #37
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What not to forget

"If it's difficult, you're doing it wrong"

"Both beads pop to the outside to remove the rim"

"Always have a list"

"Practice before your ride"

"Compress the bead into the rim to provide more lever space"

"Practice in your garage with trailside tools"

"Don't be "that guy" "
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"Both beads pop to the outside to remove the rim"
My first thought on reading this had me doing it completely wrong.
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I may also add 4 or 5 cardboard cutouts of "buddies" standing around in various states of apparent frustration, to give the practice scene even more of that air of authenticity.
And don't forget, one must have a camera in his hand.
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