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Old 01-11-2018, 05:59 PM   #41
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And you already ran into a tree looking at it?

I know! What lame GPS doesn't mark the trees??? I bet rocks and ruts aren't marked either...

Naw, a car in front of me threw a miscellaneous piece of road rubbish my way. Think they can fix this windshield???
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Old 01-12-2018, 08:21 AM   #42
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Hey you Montana users. Do you have to screw that screw on the "rugged GPS mount" to keep the GPS in the cradle? Or is that only to keep people without the tool from walking off with it?
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Old 01-12-2018, 09:37 AM   #43
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My rugged mount has that screw, but somehow I lost the tool for it. It is a different fitting than the one on the 550. I think it adds a fair amount of security. The next most vulnerable spot is the Ram connection. There's a security fastener for it too, but I haven't messed with it. Most places I wind up with the Montana, I think I'm fairly secure. There are exceptions of course.
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Old 01-12-2018, 10:13 AM   #44
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I have never used the "security screw". The only security might be to keep the GPS from falling out of the cradle, but not preventing theft. Not an issue as long as the GPS is properly seated in the cradle. I have had the GPS pop out of the cradle a couple of times, due to not having it properly seated. I always have it tethered to the handlebars so it does not hit the ground.
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Old 01-12-2018, 11:44 AM   #45
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I wasn’t planning to use it either due to the lack of security inherent in the ram mount system I’ll be using. But I wanted to make sure the rugged mount still held well without the use of the screw. Keeping track of that specialized screwdriver was going to be hard.


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Old 01-12-2018, 11:51 AM   #46
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The Garmin cradle does hold well without the screw if the unit is properly seated. Always use a tether as backup.
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Old 01-12-2018, 12:00 PM   #47
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Just curious. It seems that all of you harder core dualsports gravitate to the Garmin Montana type unit. What does it do better or differently than my Zumo 590LM?

I can say that the dusty touch screen is a real issue. I'm constantly trying to wipe mine and losing my spot on the map right when I need it the most (that's why I wiped it in the first place).

Regarding the Garmin cradle it has been very secure. I've not had the unit come out even after some very nasty falls on rocks. I do wish Garmin had built in a little loop on the unit to put a tether through for some added security.
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Old 01-12-2018, 12:43 PM   #48
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Montanas have a tether loop.

Early Zumos had no track support. Some units then got limited track support thru firmware updates. I am not familiar with the level of track support on the 590. Tracks are the only way to be absolutely sure your intended path will be displayed without changes. Main hardware difference is the handheld class devices all have reflective screens. The brighter the sunlight, the better the contrast. They do not wash out in sunlight.

Dust is an issue on both. I keep one zipper of my tank bag open 3-4 inches and stuff a small dust cloth in the bag. I can pull the cloth out, wipe the screen and stuff the cloth back in with just my left hand.
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Montanas have a tether loop.

Early Zumos had no track support. Some units then got limited track support thru firmware updates. I am not familiar with the level of track support on the 590. Tracks are the only way to be absolutely sure your intended path will be displayed without changes. Main hardware difference is the handheld class devices all have reflective screens. The brighter the sunlight, the better the contrast. They do not wash out in sunlight.

Dust is an issue on both. I keep one zipper of my tank bag open 3-4 inches and stuff a small dust cloth in the bag. I can pull the cloth out, wipe the screen and stuff the cloth back in with just my left hand.
I'm going to start keeping a cloth handy for now on. Using my finger isn't that effective.

Overall I suck at working with GPS and I'm not sure why. I try but something always bites me in the butt. Ask my 2 riding buddy's in Mexico who followed me into the middle of a cow pasture in the pitch dark trying to get back to Galeana which was just a few miles away.
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I also tether mine. To ensure I have the unit seated I always squeeze the cradle from the side. If you watch the cradle when you push the release button you will see one side move out. It is the side the security screw is in.
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What he said ^^^.
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I haven't tethered mine, but I kinda think that it is a good idea. I'll vouch for the fact that the key is hard to keep up wit as evidenced by the fact mine is missing. The 550 cradle I got from Dail actually manages to screw itself into the secured position as I go down the road. I'm going to have to keep up with that key if I want to take it out of it's mount.
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I drape the tether cord over the mount itself. If the unit were to pop out of the mount, it would hang by the cord. I have NEVER had it pop out of the mount and I never use the screw even though I do have the tool in my pocket all the time. I do the side squeeze thing to make sure it is properly seated. If I am in a place where I am really worried about someone stealing the unit, I just pop it out and take it with me.

One thing I do NOT like about the cradle is that the power cord cannot be unplugged from the cradle. Mine is hardwired to the bike. I could cut the wire and put a plug inline, but I shouldn't have to do that This is an issue because if I want to remove the cradle and use a different gps/cradle, say for my 60CS backup unit, I have to zip tie the Montana cradle out of the way so I can mount the other cradle on the ram mount.

The dust on the screen thing really hasn't been a big deal to me even though I've ridden in some seriously nasty dust
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One thing I do NOT like about the cradle is that the power cord cannot be unplugged from the cradle. Mine is hardwired to the bike. I could cut the wire and put a plug inline, but I shouldn't have to do that This is an issue because if I want to remove the cradle and use a different gps/cradle, say for my 60CS backup unit, I have to zip tie the Montana cradle out of the way so I can mount the other cradle on the ram mount.
I run 12v battery power to the handlebars on all bikes, wires terminated in a couple of 2pin SAE plugs. Add SAE plugs to my air pump and GPS cradle and carry a "cigarette lighter" socket with a SAE plug as well. When at home, the SAE plug connects to the battery tender. I can move the Garmin mount to any of the bikes since they all have the SAE plugs. I even plug my electric gloves in when I need them. The system works well.
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I run 12v battery power to the handlebars on all bikes, wires terminated in a couple of 2pin SAE plugs. Add SAE plugs to my air pump and GPS cradle and carry a "cigarette lighter" socket with a SAE plug as well. When at home, the SAE plug connects to the battery tender. I can move the Garmin mount to any of the bikes since they all have the SAE plugs. I even plug my electric gloves in when I need them. The system works well.
I did the same. The cradle for the 590 is expensive and BULKY and I saw no reason to replicate it on each bike. Cut the cord and put on a SAE plug and now it moves easily (and cheaply) between rides. And like you said JT, the bike plugs are so useful for every thing else like the USB plug I have to charge the phone.
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I run 12v battery power to the handlebars on all bikes, wires terminated in a couple of 2pin SAE plugs. Add SAE plugs to my air pump and GPS cradle and carry a "cigarette lighter" socket with a SAE plug as well. When at home, the SAE plug connects to the battery tender. I can move the Garmin mount to any of the bikes since they all have the SAE plugs. I even plug my electric gloves in when I need them. The system works well.
Yeah, I just got lazy. The 600 mount was put on the bike in a hurry because I was leaving town and it was the first mount ever put on the bike. So I just wired it straight to the battery so I could get out of town. I've just never taken the time to go back and redo it.
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Yeah, I just got lazy. The 600 mount was put on the bike in a hurry because I was leaving town and it was the first mount ever put on the bike. So I just wired it straight to the battery so I could get out of town. I've just never taken the time to go back and redo it.
In the race to be lazy, I just added a SAE plug on the last GPS mount and ran the wire and plugged it into the battery tender SAE that the prior owner had installed on the WR. The wire ran outside of the gas tank and connected to that plug. Excess wire was zip-tied to the bars. Gaffer's tape was involved at one time to keep the wire attached to the tank. It looked about as redneck as it sounds. This time I'm going to actually install something correctly. I do like JT's approach of an SAE plug on the bars. What would be nice is some sort of dash to mount all this too. But that takes some engineering and fabrication that it seems I never have the time for.
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