H.R. 45 - Gun licensing bill introduced

[buck000]

http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/z?d111:h.r.00045:

Ol' Bobby Rush is everywhere lately...

[Sleepy Weasel]

I think every license should come with a chip that plays this when you use it.

[Texas T]

Already written my Congress critter.

[Tim Kreitz]

You guys simply must take the time to read the bill. Pure insanity. It's right out of 1930s Germany.

Bobby Rush should be banished from the United States for even drafting such a bill.

[Tourmeister]

Wow... so if I read this right, it will be a BIG no no to own an unlicensed gun. Also, is it a license PER gun?

[Sleepy Weasel]

Originally Posted by Tim Kreitz

You guys simply must take the time to read the bill. Pure insanity. It's right out of 1930s Germany.

I specifically avoided using a video of the Imperial March played over Nazi propaganda footage so that I wouldn't be the first one to say it.

[Diderich]

I haven't even gotten past the first page yet! He outlines why this bill is constitutional...that is, he is merely regulating interstate commerce. So I says "what if I buy a gun made in Texas then?" and he answered in the next paragraph.

because the intrastate and interstate trafficking of firearms are so commingled, full regulation of interstate commerce requires the incidental regulation of intrastate commerce;

Or if I may paraphrase: "Since we can't write an effective law that IS constitutional, we HAD to write one that was UNconstitutional.

[Diderich]

And on page six, this pertains to guns already owned.

Page 8 it is illegal for anyone under the age of 18 to use a handgun, semi, auto anything or anything with a clip.

Page 11, the license expires every 5 years so they can keep track of you.

page 16, you can't sell the gun except through a dealer, and the dealer records the transaction and sends it to washington.

page 18, you have to report loss or theft within 72 hours. hahaha.."wha?! my gun is gone? I had no idea! I'll report it " That's just a dumb clause. How do they know when I discovered it lost? I guess they catch people that don't know the law...

ugg, and you have to report your change of address like your driver's license...I can barely keep up with the current stuff you have to do when you move.

WOW 2 years in prison if you don't have a license! 10 years if you have a pistol in the same house as a child?! Maybe they are trying to make children illegal.

By the looks of it...if a 17 year old steals my gun and I don't report it for 72 hours...I'm in a heap of trouble....the 17 yr old theif is the victim! the poor child that got access to a dangerous weapon...good grief..

[KenH]

Gun control laws do nothing to make citizens safer. Instead, gun control laws serve to disarm law-abiding citizens. TThe sole purpose of gun control laws is to more easily disarm the citizens when the time comes.

The author of this bill needs to be shot. This just might be the straw that breaks the back of patriots and leads to armed rebellion.

[DaveC]

Originally Posted by KenH

Gun control laws do nothing to make citizens safer. Instead, gun control laws serve to disarm law-abiding citizens. TThe sole purpose of gun control laws is to more easily disarm the citizens when the time comes.

The author of this bill needs to be shot. This just might be the straw that breaks the back of patriots and leads to armed rebellion.

To much apathy and bills to pay! Won't be happening until the TV gets turned off.

[Jack Giesecke]

It's starting. They think now they can get away with it. They've forgotten what went on in the 90s. The 94 congress was a direct result of the Clinton gun ban. Do we have another Janet Reno? Here we go again....

[Tim Kreitz]

Originally Posted by Sleepy Weasel

I specifically avoided using a video of the Imperial March played over Nazi propaganda footage so that I wouldn't be the first one to say it.

Well, since I already started it:

"The most foolish mistake we could possibly make would be to allow the subject races to possess arms. History shows that all conquerors who have allowed their subjects to carry arms have prepared their own downfall by so doing. Indeed, I would go so far as to say that the supply of arms to the underdogs is a sine qua non for overthrow. So let's not have any native militia or native police. German troops alone will bear the sole responsibility for the maintenance of law and order."

Guess who!

[Sleepy Weasel]

Uh, was it somebody German?

[Windsor]

Originally Posted by Sleepy Weasel

Uh, was it somebody German?

nope, Austrian!

[Windsor]

Originally Posted by KenH

The author of this bill needs to be shot. This just might be the straw that breaks the back of patriots and leads to armed rebellion.

Deported to another country seems more fitting, like China.

[John Bennett]

Since this one is for the children (as they always are) I had to find out who was Blair Holt...

http://mylifeofcrime.wordpress.com/2...th-his-murder/

Michael “Mario” Pace, 16, is charged with one count of murder and five counts of attempted murder in the Thursday shooting that claimed the life of Julian High School student Blair Holt, 16, who was not the intended target.

Facing identical charges is 15-year-old Kevin Jones, who sources said gave Pace the gun. Jones knew Pace wanted to use the weapon to try to kill someone Pace had argued with on an almost “daily basis,” possibly over a girl, sources said.

This case got so much attention because Blair Holt was a hero for pushing some girl out of the line of fire, and his father is a Chicago police officer.

I have noticed that the police officers in northeastern cities are almost universally in favor of gun prohibition for private citizens.

I believe it's a cultural thing. The northern U.S. was settled by Europeans from countries with strong traditions of church/state authoritarianism. (Germans, French, Poles, Catholics, etc.) The southern U.S. was populated by people from countries with a strong traditions of resistance to such centralized power (Irish, Cajuns, Scottish, Protestants, etc).

[Texas T]

Originally Posted by Tim Kreitz

Bobby Rush should be banished from the United States for even drafting such a bill.

Nope, worse...
Unintended Consequences

[bluedogok]

All of this type stuff has me thinking about becoming a gun owner for the first time...

Here's some "interesting" reading about how the "gov't will protect" you...

No Looking Backwards: You Don't Need To Own a Gun...

[Jack Giesecke]

Originally Posted by John Bennett

Since this one is for the children (as they always are) I had to find out who was Blair Holt...

http://mylifeofcrime.wordpress.com/2...th-his-murder/



This case got so much attention because Blair Holt was a hero for pushing some girl out of the line of fire, and his father is a Chicago police officer.

I have noticed that the police officers in northeastern cities are almost universally in favor of gun prohibition for private citizens.

I believe it's a cultural thing. The northern U.S. was settled by Europeans from countries with strong traditions of church/state authoritarianism. (Germans, French, Poles, Catholics, etc.) The southern U.S. was populated by people from countries with a strong traditions of resistance to such centralized power (Irish, Cajuns, Scottish, Protestants, etc).

So, um, Giesecke is Irish?

Don't think it's so much a north/south thing as an urban/rural thing and the urbanites are much more numerous now days.

Frankly, I think the first generation of my German side was the last to speak the language, and, of course, they were the first to intermarry with Texans and, well, the last to retain any old world ways and culture. In my case, the German connection goes back to 1836. I'm not sure how that would sway MY thinking, frankly. I'm not German, I'm Texan.

I just figure the cultural differences are urban government dependent vs rural self sufficient. If Al Qaeda would take care of some of the urban centers for us, we'd be better off as a society. I mean, you gotta look at the good side of things, right? DC would be fantastic, full of welfare recipients, government bureaucrats, and lying politicians. Kill the cancer at its source, eh? A little radiation treatment?

[1TallTXn]

We knew it was going to happen.