That's pretty much the case across the motorcycle spectrum. There are a few bikes that gain across the rpm range, but rarely will you find an apples to apples gain in low end. Normally the gains are mid-range and up. That coupled with the new found exhaust tone and the propensity to hear more of that sound (in other words, giving it more throttle) makes it SEEM like it's making more power. Normally it's just not enough to make tangible increases in the average motorcycle. It's all about the sound.I'm finding mixed info on pipes. If I wanted to maximize low-end power then I should keep the exhaust stock and have it tuned correct?
So you're saying Dale's stage 2 is better than a custom map and flash?Your answers are here courtesy of Dale Walker.
My experience, going from stock to Stage 1 to Stage 2 with only a slip on and stock headers is there are significant gains to be had. Typically low RPM power (torque) is more a product of engine design. You are not flowing as much air hence opening the intake and exhaust (and providing the fuel to match) doesn't show as much gain down low.
Honestly the 1250 has SO much torque right off idle it's just as well!
I would go Stage 2 with Dale's Super Tune Pro and a slip on. It is all the Chassis can handle, even with suspension upgrades. Wish I had just went Stage 2 from the start.
Looking at the stage 2 slip on Dyno link I posted there are only gains in torque and HP. Indeed if anything I noticed a significant power gain across the range. When I remove the Db reducer the front end lofts under power right off the bottom. I can’t take the added noise.It's not a flash per say, but they can make a map via the ECU with flashtune software. He can also make the secondaries open at high revs without taking them out.
I had a stage 2 on my old Bandit, it made more top end but a lot of that from removing the secondaries, which you can do for free. You lose low end power with stage 2 though, and given that the Bandit's torque peaks at 3750, I don't understand the logic for compromising the motor's best attribute. They make an FZ1 if you like to spin your motor.
Thanks for the reply, I went with a Holeshot stage 1 and Delkevic carbon pipe. I've retained all my low end compliance, I don't have any of the low-rpm reluctance from the engine I had with stage 2. Plenty of power I'm happy.Older thread but I will second what TD said about Holeshot stuff. My 08 has Dale's PC tune with the airbox mods and secondaries removed - all per Dale's instructions. I added a Holeshot header while doing the other mods, so I can't say which one makes the biggest improvement, but the net effect is awesome. In addition to wheelie-style power down low it turns on like a rocket at about 6500 rpm. With the header and a light Leo Vince can, it has a raspy growl off idle but is never too loud. Inaudible at cruising speed.