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Dakar 2019

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Dakar 2019, the 40th anniversary, starts in just over 3 days. Andrew Short from Smithville is running again this year. Looks like coverage for the US is RedBull TV and NBCSN. Robby Gordon is running again this year after a two year break. He's always good for a few laughs.
 

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Robby Gordon met me at Talledaga years back. He’s a character.

I’m going with Toby Price for the win on bikes. I hope Laia Sainz does good now that she’s on team ktm
 

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... I’m going with Toby Price for the win on bikes. I hope Laia Sainz does good now that she’s on team ktm
Tobes is tougher than an old boot so I wouldn't bet against him but he's playing with a broken wrist so . . . . . ??? With the preponderance of dune stages, I'm thinking Sam Sunderland might be the one to beat. And Laia's been dealing with some sort of flu bug thing so let's hope she's whipped that.

Excited about this. Will this be the year KTM loses?
Nope
 

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I’m hoping Toby slows down a bit because of his wrist and uses more of his navigation skills to be the sleeper and grab the win. But a broken wrist has got to be painful at any level of
 

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Going to be interesting. It's shorter (10 stages), mostly dunes/sand & in one country (Peru). Reading between the lines of the various press releases all of the proposed hosts balked at the fees (and all except one, bailed) and by the looks of a schedule that's much cheaper to run, Peru had the upper hand in the negotiations (read as less $$ for the orga). Coma's departure only adds to the intrigue.

There's rumors of a return to Africa but I'm not sure the security situation is any better there now than it was during the debacle of 2008.
 

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I'm friends with some current & previous competitors, the feeling is that for the bikes it has become a little too NASCAR'ish. Drop $35K on a KTM Rally 450 and you've got a stage win capable Dakar bike. Some are lamenting the loss of diversity on the podium particularly in the lack of anything aside a big single & the 450cc capacity limit.

Edit; interesting article

https://www.hartenduro.at/stories/w...Zi7dXW6w68D957A9HCKEZwOcB-AsIZP-YPtPCrs-ubQ10
 
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I like the idea of going back to tube tires. That alone will make them slow down and use more caution. But I really don’t see a high percentage of riders crashing severely. Sure the media shows the big bone breaking crashes but most go out on mechanical issues.
 

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Sooo, someone smarter than me explain how Robby Gordon is driving a utv but it’s in the car class. I’m guessing engine displacement ?
 

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Sooo, someone smarter than me explain how Robby Gordon is driving a utv but it’s in the car class. I’m guessing engine displacement ?
I'd certainly not claim to be smarter than you but . . . there is a sub-classification under the ASO Cars category that provides for "cars" that meet SCORE requirements and RG's Textron UTVs fit into that niche.

A better question might be "why" choose to race a UTV in the Cars Class. The 2019 ASO rules for UTVs stipulated maximum speed of 130kph with 1min/hr up to 135kph but that rule did not apply to "Cars." UTVs will do more than 130kph, apparently quite bit more, and RG saw that loophole, entered 3 Textron buggies in the Cars class, and built 'em. Then, well after RG was fully committed, ASO changed the rules, probably because some "factory" team(s) complained, and limited Car-class UTVs to 130kph, too. That was a crummy play on ASO's part, IMO, but they're all about the money and the "factory" Car efforts put a lot of loot into their coffers, so . . . . .

re engine displacement, I'm not certain but I think the Textron buggies have turbocharged 1000cc 3-bangers.
 
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Has an american ever won an overall Dakar, even in the old days?
No, Mark Miller & Robbbie Gordon took 2nd & 3rd in cars in 2009, ,Danny LaPorte took 2nd (riding the Cagive Elefant) in bikes in 1992, Chris Blais took 3rd in 2007.

Really to win the Dakar it helps to be French, like really helps to be French :ponder:. After that it helps to be riding a KTM.
 

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No, Mark Miller & Robbbie Gordon took 2nd & 3rd in cars in 2009, ,Danny LaPorte took 2nd (riding the Cagive Elefant) in bikes in 1992, Chris Blais took 3rd in 2007.

Really to win the Dakar it helps to be French, like really helps to be French :ponder:. After that it helps to be riding a KTM.
Helps to be french, Al la the Gordon issue this year:ponder:.
 

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I need a source for highlights. I haven't seen any of it yet.

Any good privateer style documentaries like Lyndon Poskitt did last year? It would be awesome if more riders were able to do that kind of thing. It is a lot of extra work though. Speaking of LP, did he race again this year?
 
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Technically under the rules he can tow back to the bivouac and if the motor can be rebuilt he can start tomorrow. However, for a team rider this would put them too far out of contention to be worth the trouble or risk. The Malle Moto guys would be a whole different story though!
 
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Sam Sunderland gets a 1 hour penalty, Kevin Benevides gets 3 hours, both for navigation notes outside the road book (taped to the gas tank). This is explicitly outside the rules but the top teams can (and do) legally employ "map men" to analyze the upcoming day's stage and provide feedback to the riders. They can also spot faster routes which still hit all the WPs, here's a map man friend's illustration of how this works;

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Sam Sunderland gets a 1 hour penalty, Kevin Benevides gets 3 hours, both for navigation notes outside the road book (taped to the gas tank). This is explicitly outside the rules but the top teams can (and do) legally employ "map men" to analyze the upcoming day's stage and provide feedback to the riders. They can also spot faster routes which still hit all the WPs, here's a map man friend's illustration of how this works;

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Oops ! ! ! :clap:
 
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