Then why is CA the most expensive in the nation?????????????
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2Dogs
Liberals.
Yup, my VFR got 220 miles per tank, and after ethanol, 200. Sad logic someone had.
Why would you put Ethanol in your VFR??
Yes, you are correct. Ethanol produces about a 15% loss in MPG, Which is why I wonder how it has become our saving grace. The amount of water required to produce Ethanol is insane, and clean drinking water is already a problem in many areas of the country (although when you build in dry arid areas of the country and have a boom in population, what are we suppose to expect).
Wayne
Sorry, not E-85, but just the 10% they mix in.
Because government edicts prohibit allowing consumers to have a choice... all in the name of protecting the consumers of course...
What protection??
Seriously, from a mechanical point of view, why would you want to put Ethanol in your bike? That does not sound like a good idea to me...Because government edicts prohibit allowing consumers to have a choice... all in the name of protecting the consumers of course...
Gilk51
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Not want. Have to. You have no choice around major cities.
Would you care to develop your point? This really is something I don't know about.
Gilk51
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From what I have heard from other folks - and I don't have any hard references - is that gas distribution depots in metropolitan areas have 10% ethanol added to all gasoline grades prior to distribution.
Rural areas supposedly do not have this.
I have tried all of the major retail stations - Shell, ExxonMobil, Chevron/Texaco and all have a disclaimer on the pumps "ethanol might be added" (emphasis mine).
So, it is extremely hard to determine whether you are getting it or not. From my gas mileage lately, I can't tell the difference from any of the above three - my mileage is down from a year ago.
Pretty much what Gill said, if you read the fine print around the pump, up to 10% ethanol might be added. So, I assume the worst, and I have seen my fuel economy drop and can interpolate from there. Just another way the man is holding you down
Exactly my point! 
However, all the regulations that control our choices are ALWAYS justified on the basis of protecting consumers from abuses of the "Free Market". Of course, the reality is a greatly reduced range of choices or even the complete elimination of choice altogether. Gore-Tex, I don't know how you could have missed it all these last few years, but the government has heavily subsidized the fuel ethanol industry in the name of developing alternative energy sources and breaking our "dependency" on foreign energy. Part of that has involved all kinds of whacky mandates regarding ethanol content in our fuels, kind of like they did with MTBE some years back. As usual, this has had destructive effects that our visionary leaders failed to see. Prices for corn have been skyrocketing, affecting prices for feed stock, corn syrup, and many other products. Most of the gas stations around my area, "rural" Huntsville, have the warning stickers that the gas MAY contain up to 15% ethanol. Given the horrible mpg I have been getting for the last year or so, I would speculate that the MAY has been DOES 
So now, not only do I have to buy even more gas because of the nearly 20% decrease in mpg as a result, I am having to pay more for it because of the incessant devaluation of the dollar and its affect on the price of gas. I am always amazed that people's number one fear of having no government is crime. It is as if they are blind to the cost of government. We would stand a FAR better chance protecting our wealth and standard of living from everyday criminals than we could ever hope to have against the legal plunder we all suffer at the hands of the very government that is supposed to be protecting us from the criminals... So, aren't you glad we aren't getting as much government as we are paying for?I am always amazed that people's number one fear of having no government is crime. It is as if they are blind to the cost of government. We would stand a FAR better chance protecting our wealth and standard of living from everyday criminals than we could ever hope to have against the legal plunder we all suffer at the hands of the very government that is supposed to be protecting us from the criminals...
I saw gas in Calf. for $5.40 a gal. Sure was glad I didn't need any.
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Transportation costs!I don't know why its so much higher over here.We have all the big oil and gas fields here in our back yard and we pay more.
Ask GWThe drama continues
House passes bill to sue OPEC over oil prices
As if that won't just drive prices even higher!
This would be no utopia if there was no government. However, I believe the crime rate would drop dramatically. Criminals would suffer a much increased risk of meaningful consequences for their socially aberrant behavior, like getting shot. Over all, I think the kinder, gentler nation the liberals are looking for can only come from everyone having to back up one's mouth with his life.
No one ever claimed that we'd have Utopia in the absence of government
I think of it more as a lesser of evils kind of thing. Sure, there would be problems with no government, but I think they'd be far less severe and more readily solvable when people are actually free to make choices for themselves and to bear the costs of those decisions.
are you sure or was that diesel? Gas in Eureka, CA is hovering around $4.50/galSo, aren't you glad we aren't getting as much government as we are paying for?
I saw gas in Calf. for $5.40 a gal. Sure was glad I didn't need any.
M38A1
Admin
Well, it's not gasoline, but I filled my F250 up today. Took three swipes of the creditcard since it shuts off at $75 per swipe. Let me see, $75 and $75 and $10 was $160. Ouch.
I have a 3/4 ton Dodge Diesel and it now gets driven pretty much only
when I need to. Meaning hauling stuff or its raining. I figure the days
of owning a 4x4 for status will pretty much be history pretty soon. Meaning
those that drive around a 4x4 and live where there isnt so much as a dirt road
much less offroad. Offroad here in the metroplex is when you drive into your
yard and wash the truck.
Guess it would be testiment to your deep pockets
to drive one of those now even though my dodge gets 18mpg in town.
when I need to. Meaning hauling stuff or its raining. I figure the days
of owning a 4x4 for status will pretty much be history pretty soon. Meaning
those that drive around a 4x4 and live where there isnt so much as a dirt road
much less offroad. Offroad here in the metroplex is when you drive into your
yard and wash the truck.
Guess it would be testiment to your deep pocketsto drive one of those now even though my dodge gets 18mpg in town.
GUy in a Mercedes "This gas is getting expensive, glad I didn't get a Diesel"
Guy in an F350 Diesel wearing coveralls "This ain't nothin..."
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Guy in an F350 Diesel wearing coveralls "This ain't nothin..."
hehe
$4.65/gal for 87
Gas down the road from my place is currently back UP to $1.85/gal. Not long ago it was down around $1.40/gal. I guess all the guys orchestrating the conspiracies at the oil companies must have retired... 
Think the government is going to give back any of those "windfall profit" taxes imposed on the oil companies when they were making all that money!? Yeah... don't hold your breath
Think the government is going to give back any of those "windfall profit" taxes imposed on the oil companies when they were making all that money!? Yeah... don't hold your breath
$1.98 is what the receipt on my floorboard says.
Oh boy, this one revives a lot of off topic issues.
Yeah, how is that draining the swamp going for you, along with that big tax cut?
Life for me has been pretty much the same regardless of who is in office.
Goes to show it doesn't matter much, so it ain't worth talking about.
I work for a small business and got a big pay raise.
Paid $2.35 last week. That's the lowest I've seen in the Phoenix area in quite a while. A cousin in Baton Rouge paid $1.81 last week.
Baja_Bound
Forum Supporter
Found ethanol-free gas in San Antonio the other day. A little pricey at $2.79 / gallon and 87 octane but happy to see it still available. The station is a Murphy's USA on the west side of SA.
Didn't ride for about 20 years. Sold my last boat in the early 2000's. It was costing about $300 (60 gallons) to fill up on the water.
Cost about 7 bucks to top off the Beemer last Sunday. That $300 probably takes me 7000 - 8000 miles today.
I do miss the beer... and bikini girls... a little.
Cost about 7 bucks to top off the Beemer last Sunday. That $300 probably takes me 7000 - 8000 miles today.
I do miss the beer... and bikini girls... a little.