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Honda DCT Discussion Thread

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You can have bikes shipped and it is not that expensive. For the cost of gas, hotel, food, etc,... you could probably pay to have it shipped if you can't wait. It is just a question of whether the dealer can conclude the deal without your physical presence.

Of course, I'd rather just trailer up, spend a few extra days doing the break in while in Arkansas, then come home :trust:
 

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Still would be worth it to not play games.

I'll compare, wouldn't do it to save a couple hundred between listed prices, but I'm not taking Russleville's price in to a dealer advertising $2500 more to start the negotiation games.
Understood.
 

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On the gravel roads and trails, I'll use sport II and put it in gravel mode and lower the traction control or disable it depending on the surface conditions.
I forgot about that trick. I've started putting it on traction control 2 on the street to just to get a little slip without shutting me down totally.

manual on a rocky or dirty hillclimb
Rich showed me that trick in Arkansas, very helpful.
 

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That thing:
Engine Type 999cc liquid-cooled twin-cylinder Unicam® four-stroke
Bore And Stroke 92.0mm x 75.15mm
Compression Ratio 10:1
6-speed Dual Clutch Transmission (DCT)

Africa Twin:
Engine Type - 998cc liquid-cooled Unicam® four-stroke 22.5º parallel-twin
Bore And Stroke - 92mm x 75mm
Compression Ratio - 10.0:1
6-speed DCT

Same engine?
 
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That thing:
Engine Type999cc liquid-cooled twin-cylinder Unicam four-stroke
Bore And Stroke92.0mm x 75.15mm
Compression Ratio10:1
6-speed Dual Clutch Transmission (DCT)

Africa Twin:
Engine Type - 998cc liquid-cooled Unicam four-stroke 22.5º parallel-twin
Bore And Stroke - 92mm x 75mm
Compression Ratio - 10.0:1
6-speed DCT

Same engine?
Yes. But 5 seats and paddle shifters!

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Not exactly the same, but racing, and he says it's the "Cat's Meow." :D

Still, cool setup.

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Nice with the convertible 4 (maybe 5)passenger seating. Always thought that was neat. Would be nice for surveying for sure

But, does it have the passenger heat and ac like those new john deer's I've seen advertised.

As long as we are wishing...
I believe it can be had with ac/heat.
5 seat convertible.
I believe even the pioneer 500 can be had with a dct.


I've driven the 6 seat(two bench) can ams and they have a worse turning radius than a full size pick up.

I want one for the ranch. my boss will never go for anything other than a mule 610. Despite all the crews asking for something that at least rides better. He has been searching for another used one for awhile. 3 crews, 1 mule.

But I'll end up with my dad's ragged out 2004 rhino once he upgrades. I'm hoping he gets the honda so I can buy it in 10-15 years.


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I believe it can be had with ac/heat.
5 seat convertible.
I believe even the pioneer 500 can be had with a dct.


I've driven the 6 seat(two bench) can ams and they have a worse turning radius than a full size pick up.

I want one for the ranch. my boss will never go for anything other than a mule 610. Despite all the crews asking for something that at least rides better. He has been searching for another used one for awhile. 3 crews, 1 mule.

But I'll end up with my dad's ragged out 2004 rhino once he upgrades. I'm hoping he gets the honda so I can buy it in 10-15 years.


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Good luck, now get out there and make it so !
 

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Due to this thread, I've been paying more attention to shifting with DCT auto mode. I'm finding I do shift in auto mode more than I thought, so I figured I go full manual for a couple of hours yesterday and see how it was. It's not so bad. It tends to make me stay in gears longer than I would in auto.

Also noticed an interesting tidbit, even in manual mode, the DCT transmission will downshift for you when stopping. So if you are doing 55 mph and slam on the brakes, when you stop you'll be in first gear. Or if you roll up to a stop sign just by braking only, it downshifts at certain points that end you up in 1st gear before you put your foot down. Apparently, this is the normal process in auto AND manual modes.

For now, I still think I enjoy using the S3 auto mode and just shifting occasionally when I feel like the urge, but I might try doing more manual mode just to see if my preference changes over time.
 
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That's pretty slick then. My FJR will stop in 5th gear if you don't downshift, but will never shift up or down for you. That's nice that if you forget it'll take you gracefully down to 1st.
 
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I was going to get around to posting that today! the sport sxs look fun, but I cant throw a chainsaw, gas, chains and brush wacker in the bed

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Places getting hard to find to take them, sport models really tear up the terrain.

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Places getting hard to find to take them, sport models really tear up the terrain.

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They are EVERYWHERE if you go to SW Colorado, Cloudcroft, NM., anywhere near Moab, UT., Arizona, etc,...

The General Sam Houston park North of Huntsville is popular for the SXS crowd. On Friday's, if you go over to the truck stops on the North side of town, you can see tons of big trucks with huge trailers loaded with custom tricked out SXSs. The amount of money people spend on these things is mind boggling. It is not unusual to see 3-4 of them on a single BIG trailer.
 

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Is general sams back Open? Of course it's a mud park. Been closed.

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But you'd have to split that between the manly SXS discussion and the girly SXS discussion.
They have always been cvt, until hondas dct ones came along. Yamaha makes a 6 speed manual version of the yzx1000, that's the only factory manual.

I've got a ragged out polaris sportsman for the ranch. I dont want to have to shift while carrying a rifle and scanning for critters. But if I could afford a $17k sxs It would be a honda.

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They have always been cvt, until hondas dct ones came along. Yamaha makes a 6 speed manual version of the yzx1000, that's the only factory manual.

I've got a ragged out polaris sportsman for the ranch. I dont want to have to shift while carrying a rifle and scanning for critters. But if I could afford a $17k sxs It would be a honda.

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Agree, blasting hogs making a run for it across your path at 1:47am with the spot in one hand and the .45 in the other dictates the use of auto for sure :lol2:
 
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The manual trans Yamaha is not a sport, ranch or deer lease vehicle. It's high performance, full suspension with ground clearance for sand dunes, desert blasting and racing.

SXS models have carved distinct segments without much overlap.
Utility
Ranch
Mudders
Sport
Racing

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The manual trans Yamaha is not a sport, ranch or deer lease vehicle. It's high performance, full suspension with ground clearance for sand dunes, desert blasting and racing.

SXS models have carved distinct segments without much overlap.
Utility
Ranch
Mudders
Sport
Racing

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I thought racing was a sport?



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Another convert:

https://news.thomasnet.com/featured/ford-s-shelby-gt500-ditches-the-manual-transmission?utm_content=featuredvideo&channel=email&campaign_type=thomas_industry_update&campaign_name=190116&utm_campaign=190116&utm_medium=email&utm_source=thomas_industry_update&tinid=226758364&wvideo=epi3sbk5qk

"That’s right, the seven-speed, dual-clutch transmission is said to shift in as little as 100 milliseconds, making it – according to Ford – “markedly faster than any manual gearbox.”
 

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Another convert:

https://news.thomasnet.com/featured/ford-s-shelby-gt500-ditches-the-manual-transmission?utm_content=featuredvideo&channel=email&campaign_type=thomas_industry_update&campaign_name=190116&utm_campaign=190116&utm_medium=email&utm_source=thomas_industry_update&tinid=226758364&wvideo=epi3sbk5qk

"That’s right, the seven-speed, dual-clutch transmission is said to shift in as little as 100 milliseconds, making it – according to Ford – “markedly faster than any manual gearbox.”
I can shift my Goldwing in 99 milliseconds.....so there!







But I still prefer my AT DCT
 
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Well, I actually rode an AT DCT. Forget specs, numbers, stats, whatever you measure. Don't care. Go ride one. I got a chance to demo one at the CycleWorld Rally in Gunnison. Did a modest road trek and then took it out on the obstacle course. The previous day I watched rider after rider stall their bike and then dump it on the rocks, logs and tight corners. I don't really care how many cylinders or how much the bike weighed ... they all went down. Numbers didn't help any of the riders. The DCT doesn't stall and its always in the right gear. I mean always. I thought it was cool beans on the obstacle course. Almost like cheating. However, I didn't have the same opinion on the street. It just never seemed to be in the right gear for me on the street and I had to tickle the tranny. And the glare off that dash is awful. If you've ridden the ktm 1190 or 1090 you will find the AT power very uninspiring but I find these bikes bat **** crazy in the dirt in sport mode. All in all I think the AT DCT really shines at turning really tough situations into easy ones. It just has really great balance, just enough power and that sweet no stall, perfect gear dct. I really like it. Ok, I don't own one but I think the bike works very well in an overlanding adventure .. dirt rock gravel sand mud pavement logs ... kind of way. If all you ride is dirt or all you ride is street then I don't think you'll have the same opinion about the AT. I find the AT DCT very confidence inspiring ... but then I am on medicare and need the extra confidence.
 

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power issues?????

quicker than my goldwing, but the gw will cruise at 110 more comfortable than the AT......just sayin......AT very unstable above 100. However, if I can get to 60 quick and be able to pass a car at 80 I am happy happy happy

(also I am very happy if I do not have to move my left foot or left hand in the process)

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go back to the yellow tenere forum...... :) foot shifter for a dct....pfff
I rode with a guy that had one, he really liked it. For me, I didn't see the purpose since the thumb shifters are much easier, but if someone is coming from a manual bike, maybe the foot shifter is a nice option nice to have.
 

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Throwing this in here while its fresh on my mind. This weekend I got to attend Bill Dragoo's ADV training class on my DCT Africa Twin. Here were my thoughts on it:

I know I'm a broken record on it, but this class really proved DCT technology to me. I know its considered a pavement convenience by many, but I really think its most impressive application is riding off road. Just talking to people, I think that I was the most newbie rider there and I didn't fall all weekend. In my mind, the only reason I didn't was due to DCT. I feel confident had I had to operate a manual shift lever through all of that madness, I would have gone down 20 times or more probably. Several times it felt like I was cheating at how easy some of the drills were using DCT. The Honda engineers really thought that system through well and I'm really glad I had it this weekend as it once again saved my butt.

One of the drills was a hill start exercise after stalling a manual bike. As I pulled up to the instructor on the hill at the start of the exercise, he said, "This one is cheating for you. I didn't call you out when I was explaining the drill to the group." I laughed and said, "I appreciate that..." and easily motored on up the hill. He had seen the DCT tech in action in classes before and said he was impressed with it.

DCT, its not just for pavement :)
 
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Throwing this in here while its fresh on my mind. This weekend I got to attend Bill Dragoo's ADV training class on my DCT Africa Twin. Here were my thoughts on it:

I know I'm a broken record on it, but this class really proved DCT technology to me. I know its considered a pavement convenience by many, but I really think its most impressive application is riding off road. Just talking to people, I think that I was the most newbie rider there and I didn't fall all weekend. In my mind, the only reason I didn't was due to DCT. I feel confident had I had to operate a manual shift lever through all of that madness, I would have gone down 20 times or more probably. Several times it felt like I was cheating at how easy some of the drills were using DCT. The Honda engineers really thought that system through well and I'm really glad I had it this weekend as it once again saved my butt.

One of the drills was a hill start exercise after stalling a manual bike. As I pulled up to the instructor on the hill at the start of the exercise, he said, "This one is cheating for you. I didn't call you out when I was explaining the drill to the group." I laughed and said, "I appreciate that..." and easily motored on up the hill. He had seen the DCT tech in action in classes before and said he was impressed with it.

DCT, its not just for pavement :)
While we were riding at Sterling during the DART class, we watched a little at the rock garden and and little hill climb by it. My observations, the really good riders had no problem with a clutch. But some of the regular guys were really abusing the clutch, and I guess in an effort to keep from stalling some guys were carrying a lot of engine rpm and slipping clutch. I kept looking for one to launch! I can see where for normal folks, a DCT could really be an advantage. I'd like to try one offroad now. Talking to Jarrett on how to keep it "locked" in gear and not free wheeling I think I could be persuaded to go that route. One less thing to fret over. The guys on big bikes or me on a dirt bike, your trouble starts when the bike flames out at the worst time, lol. Not fun on a dirt bike, could be real trouble on a big bike.
 
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