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Maintenance Frustrations

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I've been trying to get my 82 Honda VF750S Sabre running correctly for several months now and having difficulties. I spent most of last year refreshing it including nearly very mechanical system short of a complete engine rebuild. Lately I have been having trouble with it running properly on all four cylinders. To save some time here, I have replaced and checked almost the entire ignition system and as well as the fuel system. I've done everything I can think of. I've even consulted with ChatGPT about troubleshooting and tests I can perform. This has resulted in some additional fixes. I'm trying to say that this is not some bike I picked up off the street and don't know what to do. Believe me when I say I have gone through this pretty thoroughly.

What I really am looking for is someone who is pretty knowledgeable about motorcycle maintenance on older bikes who I can chat / consult with. The other avenues open to me tend to either send me on wild goose chases, take forever to respond, or give me the same responses that I have already thought of. I'd really like to get this bike to where I can use it this year as I spent considerable time and effort getting it refreshed.

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I hate to say it, but nearly all the issues I have with older bikes are due to the carbs. They are usually gummed up and some tiny hole is blocked due to old gasoline residue. I end up having to get the carbs ultrasonically cleaned in some nasty chemicals to get everything cleaned out and the bike running right. Your mechanics are probably fine, the ignition system also, I would be focusing on the carbs.. you might want to post a video of what is happening as the sound can often indicate where the issue lies. Replace all rubber lines, they dry up with age and then crack/leak and cause running issues.
 
Thanks for responding Gary. Yep, carbs were cleaned chemically, physically, and ultrasonically . All fuel lines were replaced. Same with ignition system including some hidden out of the way electrical connections. I feel like this may be fuel related however as the bike acts like it is starving after running briefly. What I am trying to do is do what I can to pinpoint the most likely source of this problem before diving back into the carbs because they are a real pain to remove and reinstall.
 
I always had trouble with the idle jets on my KLR 650 if I let it sit too long. It would idle, but stumble and often die when I tried to give it any gas. If I could blip the throttle to a high RPM and not have it die, then it would run fine at high RPM, just not in that 1/8-1/4 throttle range. No amount of ultrasonic cleaning or pushing thin wires through the holes ever seemed to fix the problem. A new jet fixed it every time. They were cheap so I just bought a bunch of them to have on hand. It was only and issue if I forgot to drain the carb bowl after riding. More than a few weeks of sitting and it would mess up again. It was never a problem before they started putting the ethanol in the gas. I had a similar issue with my 2010 KTM 530 EXC. These were single carb bikes though. With multi carb bikes, there is also the issue of having them all properly synced with a vacuum gauge.

Another common problem was air leakage around the boots on the carb between the carb and engine. If they were loose, air would get sucked in and mess up the fuel/air mixture.

I love a lot of the old bikes, especially like yours, but I am soooo done with carbs. One might think that if you have air, fuel, and spark, it should not be hard to have things work... but... :suicide:
 
Run it with the tank lid open, makes sure the breather isn’t clogged
 
Thanks for responding Scott and Al,

Yeah, I've done all these things as well. New jets, new fuel lines, ran with gas cap open, checked the carb boots after replacing them, and I've only been running non ethanol fuel. I did do a carb sync a few months ago and between then and now, I fixed a wonky petcock and replaced a spark plug cap that wasn't working. I'm going to be doing another carb sync soon, but at the moment, I cannot get the bike to start. So I need to go through the various troubleshooting steps again, check for spark, check for leaks, verify good fuel flow, check this, check that. Frustrating.
 
I wonder if anyone out there builds aftermarket FI kits to replace carbs for bikes like they do for old cars/trucks? That would be kind of cool, but there probably isn't enough demand to make it worth the trouble.
 
There is good voltage to run all the coils?
On my Honda Shadow, the charging system was the Achille’s heel.
With the factory rectifier/regulator, there was just barely enough power. The bike ran fine but the lights were weak. Burned up two stators. Upgrading to a MOSFET regulator made a big improvement in system voltage.
 
, but at the moment, I cannot get the bike to start. So I need to go through the various troubleshooting steps again, check for spark, check for leaks, verify good fuel flow, check this, check that. Frustrating.
Will it run on starting fluid? That way you know it is fuel-related. I know the carbs are not easy to work on. I had a 1983 Interceptor 750.
 
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There is good voltage to run all the coils?
On my Honda Shadow, the charging system was the Achille’s heel.
With the factory rectifier/regulator, there was just barely enough power. The bike ran fine but the lights were weak. Burned up two stators. Upgrading to a MOSFET regulator made a big improvement in system voltage.
I did replace the regulator / rectifier and I have traced voltage from the stator to the coil. This is how I identified some of the voltage issues I was having. Of course, given the age of this bike, there could be other issues in this area and I am certainly open to tests I can perform to make this determination. But I spent far too much money and time last year just arbitrarily replacing things that may have been okay so I definitely want to be smarter about this. With that being said, given how the bike has been acting lately (slowing down at idle, eventually stopping, I am inclined to believe this may be fuel related at the moment.
 
Will it run on starting fluid? That way you know it is fuel-related. I know the carbs are not easy to work on. I had a 1983 Interceptor 750.
I did use this approach after rebuilding the petcock and after having drained all the fuel from the carbs. That work a treat and got fuel flowing. I also tried it on the last non start event, but it didn't accomplish anything so I am wondering if perhaps either there is no fuel flow or too much fuel in the cylinders (flooded). I do have a clear fuel filter in line and it was barely filling before I rebuilt the petcock. Now it is mostly full.
 
air would get sucked in and mess up the fuel/air mixture.

I second this.

Since you've done everything else, vacuum leaks is the next thing.

Grok agrees with the old tricks I know to test for them...

"What is the best way to test for vacuum leaks on a carburated multi-cylinder motorcycle?"


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The most practical and effective ways to test for vacuum leaks on a carbureted multi-cylinder motorcycle are the propane (or carb cleaner) enrichment test while the engine is running, followed by a smoke test for confirmation. Vacuum leaks introduce unmetered air, causing lean mixtures, rough/surging idle, high idle, popping/backfiring, poor low-speed performance, and harder starting—symptoms often more noticeable at idle or light throttle.


1. Propane Torch Test (Often the Best DIY Method)​


This is widely recommended for motorcycles because it's sensitive, allows pinpointing leaks, and works well on multi-cylinder setups.


  • How to do it:
    • Warm up the engine to normal operating temperature and let it idle (as steadily as possible).
    • Use a small propane torch (like a Bernzomatic) or MAP gas torch. Do not light it—open the valve slightly so gas flows out the tip (or attach a rubber hose/tubing for better control and reach).
    • Slowly wave the tip (or hose end) around suspected leak areas: intake manifold boots, carburetor bases/gaskets, vacuum hoses and caps, throttle shaft seals, and any rubber connections.
    • Listen/watch for the idle RPM to rise smoothly or the engine to smooth out momentarily. This means the propane is being sucked in and burned, enriching the mixture.
    • Test each cylinder/intake runner individually for multi-cylinder bikes.
  • Tips/Safety: Use small amounts of gas. Work in a well-ventilated area, away from hot exhaust. Have a fire extinguisher handy. It's generally safer than it sounds when done carefully, as you're using very little propane.

Carb cleaner/starter fluid works on the same principle (spray short bursts with the straw attachment around joints). It's effective but some prefer propane for finer control.


2. Smoke Test (Most Thorough/Visual Method)​


This is excellent for finding hard-to-see leaks in complex multi-cylinder intake systems.


  • Introduce smoke (from a smoke machine, or DIY with a cigar, incense, or homemade setup) into the intake system (e.g., via a vacuum port or after removing the airbox).
  • Seal off other openings as needed.
  • Look for smoke escaping from cracks, boots, gaskets, or hoses while the engine is off (or under low pressure).

Smoke machines are available or rentable; DIY versions are popular for home mechanics.


3. Other Supporting Methods​


  • Soapy water spray: Spray soapy water on joints while idling. Bubbles indicate a leak (sucking in air). Good for larger leaks but less sensitive than propane.
  • Vacuum gauge: Connect to a manifold port and check for steady vacuum. Fluctuations or low readings can indicate leaks.
  • Listen: Sometimes you can hear hissing, especially with a stethoscope or hose as a listening aid.

Key Areas to Check on a Multi-Cylinder Carb Bike​


  • Intake manifold boots (rubber often cracks with age/heat).
  • Carburetor mounting gaskets and bases.
  • Vacuum lines to petcock, advance, or caps/plugs.
  • Throttle shafts and slide diaphragms (if applicable).
  • Any crankcase breather or other sealed joints.

Additional Advice​


  • Test with the air filter on/off to isolate issues.
  • Fix leaks with new boots/gaskets/hoses—old rubber is a common culprit.
  • After repairs, sync the carbs, as leaks can affect balance.
  • If the bike has vacuum-operated components (e.g., fuel petcock), test those separately.

The propane method is usually the "best" balance of effectiveness, cost, and accessibility for most riders. Start there, then use smoke for verification if needed.
 
I may have missed it, but what happens if the choke is used prior to engine dying? How did bike run before this maintenance activity began?
 
I second this.

Since you've done everything else, vacuum leaks is the next thing.

Grok agrees with the old tricks I know to test for them...

"What is the best way to test for vacuum leaks on a carburated multi-cylinder motorcycle?"


-----------------------------------

The most practical and effective ways to test for vacuum leaks on a carbureted multi-cylinder motorcycle are the propane (or carb cleaner) enrichment test while the engine is running, followed by a smoke test for confirmation. Vacuum leaks introduce unmetered air, causing lean mixtures, rough/surging idle, high idle, popping/backfiring, poor low-speed performance, and harder starting—symptoms often more noticeable at idle or light throttle.


1. Propane Torch Test (Often the Best DIY Method)​


This is widely recommended for motorcycles because it's sensitive, allows pinpointing leaks, and works well on multi-cylinder setups.


  • How to do it:
    • Warm up the engine to normal operating temperature and let it idle (as steadily as possible).
    • Use a small propane torch (like a Bernzomatic) or MAP gas torch. Do not light it—open the valve slightly so gas flows out the tip (or attach a rubber hose/tubing for better control and reach).
    • Slowly wave the tip (or hose end) around suspected leak areas: intake manifold boots, carburetor bases/gaskets, vacuum hoses and caps, throttle shaft seals, and any rubber connections.
    • Listen/watch for the idle RPM to rise smoothly or the engine to smooth out momentarily. This means the propane is being sucked in and burned, enriching the mixture.
    • Test each cylinder/intake runner individually for multi-cylinder bikes.
  • Tips/Safety: Use small amounts of gas. Work in a well-ventilated area, away from hot exhaust. Have a fire extinguisher handy. It's generally safer than it sounds when done carefully, as you're using very little propane.

Carb cleaner/starter fluid works on the same principle (spray short bursts with the straw attachment around joints). It's effective but some prefer propane for finer control.


2. Smoke Test (Most Thorough/Visual Method)​


This is excellent for finding hard-to-see leaks in complex multi-cylinder intake systems.


  • Introduce smoke (from a smoke machine, or DIY with a cigar, incense, or homemade setup) into the intake system (e.g., via a vacuum port or after removing the airbox).
  • Seal off other openings as needed.
  • Look for smoke escaping from cracks, boots, gaskets, or hoses while the engine is off (or under low pressure).

Smoke machines are available or rentable; DIY versions are popular for home mechanics.


3. Other Supporting Methods​


  • Soapy water spray: Spray soapy water on joints while idling. Bubbles indicate a leak (sucking in air). Good for larger leaks but less sensitive than propane.
  • Vacuum gauge: Connect to a manifold port and check for steady vacuum. Fluctuations or low readings can indicate leaks.
  • Listen: Sometimes you can hear hissing, especially with a stethoscope or hose as a listening aid.

Key Areas to Check on a Multi-Cylinder Carb Bike​


  • Intake manifold boots (rubber often cracks with age/heat).
  • Carburetor mounting gaskets and bases.
  • Vacuum lines to petcock, advance, or caps/plugs.
  • Throttle shafts and slide diaphragms (if applicable).
  • Any crankcase breather or other sealed joints.

Additional Advice​


  • Test with the air filter on/off to isolate issues.
  • Fix leaks with new boots/gaskets/hoses—old rubber is a common culprit.
  • After repairs, sync the carbs, as leaks can affect balance.
  • If the bike has vacuum-operated components (e.g., fuel petcock), test those separately.

The propane method is usually the "best" balance of effectiveness, cost, and accessibility for most riders. Start there, then use smoke for verification if needed.
Thanks for the detailed response John. This is something I have done a few times in the past, most recently a few weeks ago, when I discovered my carb boots were not as tight as they should be. However, It is something I am planning on doing again as soon as I can get the bike started. I am going to look into it today, but the choke may not be opening sufficiently when trying to start. The feel of the lever changed from what I was used to last time I tried to start the bike. The choke appears to be operating on #1 carb, but I have not verified if it is opening sufficiently or if it is opening on the other carbs - that is being checked today.
 
I assume you have cleaned and potentially sealed the tank... Rust in the tank has been my carb killer.
Thanks for responding Mr72. The tank did have rust when I bought it, not terrible, but definitely present. I was able to completely clean it out at the time I repainted the bike. There is some minor surface rust in there now, but it's very light and spotty. I also have a inline fuel filter to aid in this regard.
 
I may have missed it, but what happens if the choke is used prior to engine dying? How did bike run before this maintenance activity began?
Prior to the latest issues, it gave the expected response of causing the bike to stumble (once the bike was warmed up). As I mentioned in reply to John's post above, the choke lever feel has changed just recently and I am going to examine that today.
 
One issue determined to be part of the problem. I had recently replaced the vacuum diaphragm on my fuel petcock, but had not disassembled the fuel selector valve portion. This had been difficult to turn and until today, it had not occurred to me that this may be part of the problem. Anyway, I verified that the choke is fully actuating and I verified that I have good spark. What I found out though was that with the fuel petcock in the on position, I was not getting fuel flow. In the reserve position I am getting fuel flow. Because the fuel selector valve is difficult to turn, I am beginning to suspect that that portion of the petcock assembly is not assembled correctly. The other possibility is a clogged standpipe in the fuel tank and I will also check that. But in the reserve position I was able to get the bike started again. So I will be looking into the fuel petcock first before returning to carb sync and adjustment.
 
Thanks for responding Mr72. The tank did have rust when I bought it, not terrible, but definitely present. I was able to completely clean it out at the time I repainted the bike. There is some minor surface rust in there now, but it's very light and spotty. I also have a inline fuel filter to aid in this regard.
My old 02 KLR 650 had rust in the lower corners at the rear of the tank. It was weeping. I used that Por 15 Epoxy stuff. First there was an acid wash to remove all the rust. Next it got flushed and dried 100%. Then I added the epoxy and had to roll/tumble the tank for quite a while to make sure it had an even coating everywhere. I let it cure. Never had any problem with it again. Wasn't hard, just a bit time consuming.


Worth the effort for peace of mind and not expensive (at the time...).
 
My old 02 KLR 650 had rust in the lower corners at the rear of the tank. It was weeping. I used that Por 15 Epoxy stuff. First there was an acid wash to remove all the rust. Next it got flushed and dried 100%. Then I added the epoxy and had to roll/tumble the tank for quite a while to make sure it had an even coating everywhere. I let it cure. Never had any problem with it again. Wasn't hard, just a bit time consuming.


Worth the effort for peace of mind and not expensive (at the time...).
Thanks for responding Scott. I examined the tank using a snake camera and verified that it was completely clean. The original rust was only surface rust and was easily removed using a citric acid and washing soda solution. There has been no problem with weeping or leakage from the tank. If it becomes a problem in the future I will definitely look into sealing the tank, but my preference is to not do that unless I have to.
 
If you haven’t isolated your problem yet, I would definitely check/clean the petcock assembly. Gummed up riser pipe(s) and/or the filter screens on them will definitely cause these issues. Also the diaphragm on the fuel petcock, ensure it’s in working order and that the line on it is in good shape and connected properly. Friend recently had similar problems with an older VTX1300, he was pulling hair out. Found a bad diaphragm in the petcock, and a deteriorated line running to same. In his case, New petcock+new line=happy rider. Had an 86vfr750, and yep, those v4 carbs are definitely ‘fun’ to work on. Good luck, hope you get her figured out.
 
Thanks for responding Bliffe13. The petcock assembly was completely rebuilt a few months ago. Unfortunately, two parts of that rebuilt did not work out. The vacuum diaphragm was assembled incorrectly (by me - because I forgot to take better pictures prior to disassembly) so the petcock was not shutting off and had to be manually turned off every time. And then to make it worse the petcock itself was also put together with the valve 180 degrees out (same person, same reason) so it would only flow fuel in reserve. I identified all these problems a couple of weeks ago and rectified all of them, so that is working correctly now.

After restarting the bike I returned to the original work I wanted to accomplish, namely determining why it wasn't running correctly. I got it started and it revved up fine once warmed up. Then I happen to see a blink of the warning light out of the corner of my eye. When I revved the engine the warning light came back on, then stopped when the bike returned to idle. After some research about the light and doing some troubleshooting I tracked it down to my recently replaced regulator / rectifier going into an overcharge condition and allowing too many volts through to the battery. This RR was only a few months old but was an aftermarket model from Caltric. When I examined the area, I found no evidence of burned wires (and yes, I have already done the three yellow wire mod on the RR input wires). But I did find the potting on the back of the RR cracked and a slightly melted spot on the plastic that the RR mounts to. It's toast, and I won't be buying anything else from Caltric unless there is absolutely no other choice.

I have a new RR coming from Rick's Electric and I made an aluminum plate that I am going to mount under the RR as a heat sink. Just waiting for a few parts including the RR and then I will get this sorted out.
 
I remember when Honda V4's (especially VFR750/800s) and even a few other models back around the late 90s and early 2000s were having R/R issues. People were buying CPU and computer case fans and mounting them to the R/R in an effort to keep them cool. When they went, they would often take the battery with them, even if the battery was new. So after replacing the R/R, you might want to have your battery load tested to make sure it is still okay. I don't recall what the actual cause was, if it was ever even determined with any certainty. After selling my two VFR800s around 2004/5, I haven't ever owned another Honda.
 
Not to give you useless suggestions, but 2 things come to mind... vaccuum leaks at carb connection? Easily checked with spray carb cleaner while running, any leak will draw in the cleaner and show you the leak.....the other thought is floats.... the "pressed pigshit" (black solid) floats absorb fuel if left floating with fuel in the bowls for years. The result is they don't float as easily, so you naturally adjust them to correct height, but they make the fuel mix rich, so you readjust to the point that you are actually lean. Usually will drop cylinders as a result. I've tried baking the floats to evaporate absorbed fuel, but nothing works as good as new ones....hope this helps
 
My son had basically the same issue with an’84 Sabre. Ended up being micro cracks in the intake boots.
 
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