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That's a new one - scam alert!

mitchntx

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From my Craigslist ad, a potential buyer contacts me via the CL email exchange showing interest the XRL#2.

After the 4th exchange he wants me to submit for a title search to ensure the title is clean. He also insists I use www.vinbikeinsights.com

A search on that site reveals a BBB article warning about scams where a site takes your cash and personal info ... but also gives you a title report that is all clear.

I responded back telling him it made more sense for him to do his own research instead of relying on mine. after all, I cold be trying to scam him.

We'll see how it plays out.
 

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Scammy.

Registered yesterday. Name servers are shady also.

Domain Name: VINBIKEINSIGHTS.COM
Registry Domain ID: 2307078720_DOMAIN_COM-VRSN
Registrar WHOIS Server: whois.tucows.com
Registrar URL: http://tucowsdomains.com
Updated Date: 2018-09-07T01:30:12
Creation Date: 2018-09-07T01:28:19
Registrar Registration Expiration Date: 2019-09-07T01:28:19
Registrar: TUCOWS, INC.
Registrar IANA ID: 69
Domain Status: clientTransferProhibited https://icann.org/epp#clientTransferProhibited
Domain Status: clientUpdateProhibited https://icann.org/epp#clientUpdateProhibited
Registry Registrant ID:
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Registrant Organization: Data Protected
Registrant Street: 123 Data Protected
Registrant City: Toronto
Registrant State/Province: ON
Registrant Postal Code: M6K 3M1
Registrant Country: CA
Registrant Phone: +1.0000000000
Registrant Phone Ext:
Registrant Fax: +1.0000000000
Registrant Fax Ext:
Registrant Email: email@data-protected.net
Registry Admin ID:
Admin Name: Data Protected Data Protected
Admin Organization: Data Protected
Admin Street: 123 Data Protected
Admin City: Toronto
Admin State/Province: ON
Admin Postal Code: M6K 3M1
Admin Country: CA
Admin Phone: +1.0000000000
Admin Phone Ext:
Admin Fax: +1.0000000000
Admin Fax Ext:
Admin Email: email@data-protected.net
Registry Tech ID:
Tech Name: Data Protected Data Protected
Tech Organization: Data Protected
Tech Street: 123 Data Protected
Tech City: Toronto
Tech State/Province: ON
Tech Postal Code: M6K 3M1
Tech Country: CA
Tech Phone: +1.0000000000
Tech Phone Ext:
Tech Fax: +1.0000000000
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Tech Email: email@data-protected.net
Name Server: 1-you.njalla.no
Name Server: 2-can.njalla.in
Name Server: 3-get.njalla.fo
 

mitchntx

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The cunning part was he didn't jump right in and ask for the VIN search ... never has asked for the VIN, in fact. But he waited a couple of exchanges before casting the bait.
 
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That’s a new one for me - thanks for sharing.

Lately I’m skeptical of most CL ads.

I agree with your response. I’d tell him, if your serious then we need to meet in person, when we meet, I’ll show you the bike and title - you bring cash.

Providing any personal info or title info before seems too risky for my blood.

I also learned the hard way, no test rides unless you have cash and I hold it.

Yes I’m one of those rare occasions when **** went wrong!
I was selling my immaculate 2015 FZ07 (only 1500 miles on it), and the first potential buyer showed up, said yea I’ve ridden bikes before. He wanted to go around the block.

15 min later I see him pushing it down the street on his way back!

The ******* nailed it after the first corner out of sight and went right into the ditch.

Man I was pissed! Luckily only bent bars and snapped off turn signal, broke mirror, cracked plastic radiator guard.

Bike had never been dropped before!
(Pissed!!!!) I cursed at him, then he offered to pay repairs. What can I say?

So I ask him to pull out a credit card and we ordered the OEM parts from RMATVMC on the spot with delivery to my house on his CC.

After I calmed down I kinda felt a little sorry for him when I saw the bleeding cut on his neck. He also sprained his wrist.

So now I’m thinking “oh ****, this dude may try to sue me? For DR bills”

But he ended up being honorable about it, he knew it was his fault.

So lesson learned!

So Folks - no test rides without holding cash and then I need to see a cycle endorsement on DL and then with the understanding that you drop it you bought it.

Take it from me - **** happens!

This is how it came back, thank God it was mostly just mud and cleaned up nice. Once I put new parts on!

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mitchntx

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Take it from me - **** happens!
Thanks for sharing ...

I made that mistake once as well.
I let a green, rookie rider ride one that I had for sale.
Fortunately and luckily, he didn't have a chance to wreck it.

It was stupid of me to do so on several levels.
He responded in another place that it was clapped out ... like he would know.
What kind of Jr. High antics is that?

Anyway it all worked out for the best.

As a seller you gotta be careful of the idiots.
 
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Had something similar on my Harley I have on CL- "Hi, is it still for sale?" "Yup" "The title's clean?" "Yup, never been crashed." "Ok, can you run a free report on <somescamsite>.com and send me the result? I want to make sure it's clean." *delete thread*
 
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Thanks for sharing ...

I made that mistake once as well.
I let a green, rookie rider ride one that I had for sale.
Fortunately and luckily, he didn't have a chance to wreck it.

It was stupid of me to do so on several levels.
He responded in another place that it was clapped out ... like he would know.
What kind of Jr. High antics is that?

Anyway it all worked out for the best.

As a seller you gotta be careful of the idiots.
What a dip wad! I hate that other place and will never go there again.
Too funny!
:rofl:
 
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I still am not sure what this scam is .... stealing credit information off of fake vin check website?

Craigslist still rules..... where else to see so much stuff for sale .... even Www.autotrader.com has a minimum charge for small ad.... cycle trader.com came back around with a small, short term ad for free once all their business went to Craigslist .
 

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EnduroRdr. That could have gone bad in so many more ways as you mentioned. You might not admit it but your living life right :thumb:
 
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I actually had a guy send me a real looking check. It was a check printed on check security paper (like the quickbook check you buy and print on your own printer). I called the bank and the issuing company (who he claimed he worked for)... everything was forged and the bank and that company had to deal with this scammer for the last few month. The scammer even threaten to have me arrested for being a scammer.
 
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I just sold a bike to a legitimate foreigner buyer looking to export my bike. He doesn’t speak or write English very well and much of the email translation sounded fishy. He finally found a friend who was good in English and helped translated his emails and eventually made a phone call on his behalf. I delivered the bike to him for a fee and collected the payment in cash.
 

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From my Craigslist ad, a potential buyer contacts me via the CL email exchange showing interest the XRL#2.

After the 4th exchange he wants me to submit for a title search to ensure the title is clean. He also insists I use www.vinbikeinsights.com

A search on that site reveals a BBB article warning about scams where a site takes your cash and personal info ... but also gives you a title report that is all clear.
I got something like that from CL last week too. I didn't click on it, just deleted the email assuming it was something like you described.

Thanks for posting this, might save someone from identity theft in the future.
 

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Thanks for sharing ...

I made that mistake once as well.
Not quite the same as your buddy falling over on your name KTM with the really odd rear rack which catches his stubby little leg and lets him and the bike hit the cement driveway. But that stuff never happens.:doh:
 

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I know where thar guy lives and he's a righteous dude.

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I've had the same scam on the last three bikes that I've listed on CL. Now I put in my discription, " not interested in trades or VIN searches" and hasn't happened again, yet...
 
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I just sold a bike to a legitimate foreigner buyer looking to export my bike. He doesn’t speak or write English very well and much of the email translation sounded fishy. He finally found a friend who was good in English and helped translated his emails and eventually made a phone call on his behalf. I delivered the bike to him for a fee and collected the payment in cash.
Wow, that can't be a common experience!
Glad the sale worked out for you.
Out of curiosity, where was the buyer from?
 
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I still am not sure what this scam is .... stealing credit information off of fake vin check website?
I think so. When I was selling the Harley I had a guy do the same to me and we had an email exchange that seemed almost passed the sniff test, then he insisted I run a VIN check and sent me a link. I told him how about you come look at the bike first before we go that far and he was insistent.
 
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I just sold a bike to a legitimate foreigner buyer looking to export my bike. He doesn’t speak or write English very well and much of the email translation sounded fishy. He finally found a friend who was good in English and helped translated his emails and eventually made a phone call on his behalf. I delivered the bike to him for a fee and collected the payment in cash.
I helped my mom sell her 99 Infiniti Q45t about 15 years ago to a guy in Japan. He owns a dealership in Japan that specializes in American domestic market cars and was offering asking price. Asked for more detailed pictures and we e-mailed for a bit.

He wired the funds and arranged for a transport company to pick-it up. I couldn't believe how trusting he was, meanwhile I had flags and alarms and figured it was all a scam as he didn't ask for anything other than more pictures.
 
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I think so. When I was selling the Harley I had a guy do the same to me and we had an email exchange that seemed almost passed the sniff test, then he insisted I run a VIN check and sent me a link. I told him how about you come look at the bike first before we go that far and he was insistent.
Agreed:
Once you get that far along in the deal, the buyer needs to come see it himself (or designate someone local on his behalf) to validate.
I guess I’m too old school, but I’m suspicious of any information sharing with strangers.
 
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Wow, that can't be a common experience!

Glad the sale worked out for you.

Out of curiosity, where was the buyer from?


Vietnam. He was staying at his friend/family’s place in Austin while making the bike purchase. I ended up delivering the bike to him from Dallas for a delivery fee.
 
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Agreed:

Once you get that far along in the deal, the buyer needs to come see it himself (or designate someone local on his behalf) to validate.

I guess I’m too old school, but I’m suspicious of any information sharing with strangers.


I ask the buyer to pay for the VIN check and if they decide to purchase it, I will deduct the VIN check fee from the purchase price.

I’ve met some really strange people selling bikes... I could write a book on it.
 
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Vietnam. He was staying at his friend/family’s place in Austin while making the bike purchase. I ended up delivering the bike to him from Dallas for a delivery fee.
That's awesome, great to hear, thanks.

I ask the buyer to pay for the VIN check and if they decide to purchase it, I will deduct the VIN check fee from the purchase price.

I’ve met some really strange people selling bikes... I could write a book on it.
Yeah there's some real weird ones out there. I like your idea of deducting the vin check at the end.
 

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I did email my guy and said that a VIN was not necessary.

We would meet at the Tax assessor's office and do the title transfer at the time of the sale.

Been radio silent ever since
 
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On CL, I always put:

Cash only, no trades
Local transaction only

Seems to help a little if you are up front about stuff, and stick to your guns.
 
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I’ll add one more. People showed up with cashier check from small banks/credit union. In at least one instance, I’ve gone with them to their issuing bank/credit union to cash out the cashier check. This ensure that the cashier check is valid. The bank/credit union doesn’t have enough cash on hand to give me so I ended up getting the bank/credit union to reissue me another cashier check in my name. It might sound like a lot of runaround, but there are a lot of fake cashier check fraud out there.
 

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It might sound like a lot of runaround, but there are a lot of fake cashier check fraud out there.
Taking a check period is never a good idea.

I want to trust people.
But people are becoming more and more crooked.

And when they welch they get all pissy because I'm upset.
You just can't go through life using people.

:giveup:
 
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I also sold my wife's 08 Accord on Craigslist a few months ago within 3 hours of posting the ad.

Took a handful of good pictures, was upfront about the issues and priced fair but it below market due to the intermittent AC issue it had.
 

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Last 4 or 5 bikes bought and sold either on here or word of mouth. No issues with TWT folks. I have only sold one bike on CL and we did the sale at the bank holding title to the bike so he could get it right then. Of course he had trouble getting the last little bit on his mastercard, but we got her done at the end of the day.
 
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When I sold the Gold Wing, the guy wanted to give me a check from BOA, instead I said we can just go to the local branch and they can give me a check. He was a little taken aback, but consented.
 

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I drove 8 hours last Sunday to pick up a bike for my son for the express reason of bringing the seller cash.

My son was at college and his bank is here in Arlington. He can only withdraw $1000 a day using his debit card so he couldn't get the cash last weekend fast enough to be able to go get the bike. As a result, even though he was only 2 hours away and I was 4, I made the 8 hour round trip because I could pull the cash to do the deal.

I mention all of this because I didn't even try to mention a check or PayPal or whatever to the seller. I assumed they wanted cash and were like me in that fact.

I've got a PayPal account and will use it with established businesses, or with small dollar amounts, or with friends. But there's no way I'd accept PayPal or a check as a payment for a motorcycle from a stranger and I shouldn't expect that they would either.

Oh...good news is that we got a cool little college bike for the boy. The Super Duke has a Mini Duke playmate now.
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Congrats on the new bike. That looks like fun.

I sold my CRF250L on CL recently. Had several people saying they wanted it. I told them whoever shows up with cash first gets it. One guy did, he got it. Seems pretty straight forward to me.
 
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