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To Dakar or not to Dakar (The tire that is)

StromXTc

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I have decided to shed the 80/20 street tires (about 2200miles now) from the 17' wee and have chosen the Mitas E-07 50/50 tires (seem like a sensible design for both). So I see that the Dakar is a different tire and better built (?) From the standard e07. What is the difference. I guess this has already been discussed somewhere but I lam lazy and will once again use the collective wisdom bot of TWT for research. Is it worth the additional cost. Will the dakar tread last longer?
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Dakar is a beefier tire, stiffer sidewalls (more plies) and tread lasts longer. Not sure if from different compound, more rubber or reduced heat from stiff sidewalls. In any case it's worth the only slightly higher cost. Tire is as close to flat proof and run flat as you'll find for a motorcycle. Take a Heindenau K60, give it better off road performance, better wet road performance, cheaper price and similar treadlife = E-07 Dakar

Same tire sizes as your Strom but on a heavier/more hp Tenere, I get an average of 12k miles for rear and 19k for the front.

http://www.mitas-moto.com/international/products/motorcycle-trail-tyres/e-07/

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If your look for something that will last a while do real good on the paved road maintained gravel and some what good in the deep sand, heavy gravel and mud than get the E-07 i have right at 6200 miles on mine there right at 50%, and they do good if you keep them under 80 MPH after that they start to wonder.
I used ride-on to balance them which has been a year ago now, the back does fine front feels like an egg till it gets warmed up, but they did that from new. To me they are superb on the road as for as grip rain does not pose no ill effects ether i think you will like them but to me i would not bother with the Dakar's they are all ready hard to install by hand as they are plenty stiff you need to lay them out in the sun to warm and that helps.

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... i would not bother with the Dakar's they are all ready hard to install by hand as they are plenty stiff you need to lay them out in the sun to warm and that helps.
Technique..technique..technique. Mitas's are not a tire to try and force on. I've installed about 10-12 Dakars by hand, one or two even on a cold day. If one is going on hard, I stop and regroup as something is not being done optimally. Tire temp makes it easier but technique and proper lube is what gets the job done.

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Technique..technique..technique. Mitas's are not a tire to try and force on. I've installed about 10-12 Dakars by hand, one or two even on a cold day. If one is going on hard, I stop and regroup as something is not being done optimally. Tire temp makes it easier but technique and proper lube is what gets the job done.

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would a Dakar be a 1 beer are 2 beer installation

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Pulled the trigger on Amazon for the Dakar pair $293 with my $11 discount. Will mount myself. How do i balance? Harbor freight balancer??
 

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Didn’t balance mine and never felt that I should have. Changed the front (non Dakar) at about 12K and the rear (Dakar) still has two or three thousand to go. First time I have had a rear tire outlast the front.
 

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Didn’t balance mine and never felt that I should have. Changed the front (non Dakar) at about 12K and the rear (Dakar) still has two or three thousand to go. First time I have had a rear tire outlast the front.
Ok, no experience with big bike tires so wasn't sure, will see how it goes.
 

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Ok, no experience with big bike tires so wasn't sure, will see how it goes.
I've started using rideon for balancing and leak prevention. I'm not real sensitive to balance issues but it seems to do ok for that. I've only been using it a few months but I haven't suffered any flats in that time. I've heard many good things about it from people who have s longer history with it.

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My experience in recent years has been that if my rim is balanced, I almost never need to balance once the tire is installed. I guess manufacturing techniques and quality have finally reached the point where tires are mostly balanced from the factory :shrug:
 
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Most tire manufacturers mark the light spot on the tire. (red dot) Line that up with the heavy spot on the rim and then balance the tire. Shouldn't need much if any weight to balance.
 
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100k miles on the Tenere and I've never balanced a tire. When OEM tires were changed I removed all the factory balance weights from the rims, front and back. Been using Ride-On since instead. Probably could go without it but if I ever would need to roll up to triple digit speed for avoidance I feel better knowing I'm not going to get surprised by a balance shake. Plus might help in a rare instance of a thorn from causing a leak or flat. Approx 80K miles of Mitas Dakars front and back and not a single flat. Prior to Mitas I ran Shinko 804/805's on the Strom and Tenere. Best I ever did was one flat (rope plug) on the rear, a couple tires with two plugs and one with three sticky rope plugs before retiring the tire. YRMV

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Most tire manufacturers mark the light spot on the tire. (red dot) Line that up with the heavy spot on the rim and then balance the tire. Shouldn't need much if any weight to balance.
Yep.... I found out about the falsehood of lining up the dot with valve stem years ago.
A letter from a Bridgestone rep verified to line up the tires dot (light spot) with heavy spot on rim...(not necessarily same spot as valve stem)

$...MAN...that $300 price on the new E07 Mitas set makes me happy with the $140 I paid yesterday for a like new set!

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Yep.... I found out about the falsehood of lining up the dot with valve stem years ago.
A letter from a Bridgestone rep verified to line up the tires dot (light spot) with heavy spot on rim...(not necessarily same spot as valve stem)

$...MAN...that $300 price on the new E07 Mitas set makes me happy with the $140 I paid yesterday for a like new set!

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If they perform as silverbullet describes, it will be worth every penny.
 

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My experience in recent years has been that if my rim is balanced, I almost never need to balance once the tire is installed. I guess manufacturing techniques and quality have finally reached the point where tires are mostly balanced from the factory :shrug:
I also believe this.
 

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Jmz...speaking o getting some g warming. Should get the new tires this week. Ups says delay due to weather. How can I warm these new tires to mount them to install ?. For that matter, removal. Was thinking about a short hanging in front of the propane heater...
Freezing my belly pan down here.❄️
 

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I would just put them in the house for a day. For me the trick is to use tire soap to dismount and mount.
Yes, will give it a go. Will use food grade silicone grease which is what I have available. I was just reading this Rah, Rah report on these Dakar


https://oztoice.wordpress.com/about/the-gear/sponsors/mitas-e07-5050-dual-sport-tyres-my-new-staple/

Below, Food for thought, makes me go hum:ponder:

Got them delivered this evening and have noticed how the front and rear treads are opposing when when properly oriented with the same directional arrows .( Does this make sense?) Obviously I will Mount them as is Illustrated but I just wanted to show this photo as to demonstrate what I am talking about. Those are Post it notes showing the direction arrows at the bottom of the sidewalls being the same. You can see the Tread direction on the top of tires are opposed. The front tire is on top of pic
 

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Yes the direction arrows put them opposite. In theory you get maximum steering and breaking from front and maximum drive from rear.

I have an E-07 rear and a similar front mounted in this fashion and they have been great.
 

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One down, one to go. Took for a highway ride to the gas station and could hear the drone from the back tire. Nice. Always have had knobbies so it nice and reassuring sound. Rides smooth, no balance issue.:thumb:
Will get to the front asap. I made 3 little scratches with my spoons and I know exactly how and when I did it. Won't do that again.

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Next time you go by a tire shop. Ask them for a little tire soap. A little goes a long way. I just put a little around the beads after I break them. If you ever use it you will thank me. Just like I thanked the person who told me about it.
 

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Next time you go by a tire shop. Ask them for a little tire soap. A little goes a long way. I just put a little around the beads after I break them. If you ever use it you will thank me. Just like I thanked the person who told me about it.
Hear ya, using a little silicone grease, and some of that carnauba wax car wash stuff. Need to just go ahead and buy some from amazon.
 
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Dakar is a beefier tire, stiffer sidewalls (more plies) and tread lasts longer.
Is longer life for the Dakar version something you've verified by using both? I've read over on YST that they wear pretty much the same.

I'm about to pull the trigger on a pair, would rather not mess with the extra difficulty when mounting them and definitely don't need the extra carcass strength for the type of riding I do. But... if the Dakar last significantly longer that changes my opinion on the matter...

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Is longer life for the Dakar version something you've verified by using both? I've read over on YST that they wear pretty much the same.

I'm about to pull the trigger on a pair, would rather not mess with the extra difficulty when mounting them and definitely don't need the extra carcass strength for the type of riding I do. But... if the Dakar last significantly longer that changes my opinion on the matter...

trey
Mitas website says longer life. Stiffer sidewalls should equate to cooler run temp so longer life? Maybe that's a stretch? I've never tried non Dakars, $ savings is very minimal and honestly I have zero issues installing Dakars even when cold.

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Last Dakar I installed on the rear of my Tenere I was talking to drirtyrider with my cell phone between my shoulder and my ear the the whole time . There really not hard to install. Just harder than the softer tires.
 

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Is longer life for the Dakar version something you've verified by using both? I've read over on YST that they wear pretty much the same.

I'm about to pull the trigger on a pair, would rather not mess with the extra difficulty when mounting them and definitely don't need the extra carcass strength for the type of riding I do. But... if the Dakar last significantly longer that changes my opinion on the matter...

trey
Not much of a sample but my Dakar rear has outlasted my non-Dakar front put on at the same time. My replacement front is a Dakar as will be the replacement for the rear when I need it. :clap::clap:
 
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Not much of a sample but my Dakar rear has outlasted my non-Dakar front put on at the same time. My replacement front is a Dakar as will be the replacement for the rear when I need it. :clap::clap:
My last Dakar front had over 19k miles when I pulled it off. Still had life left but was leaving on a 4k trip so didnt want to push it.

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I loved the tread on these so I bought them. Not a big difference so got the dakars. Nice quick test on my dirt road and really grips corners vs the OEM streets. Shot up to 85 on the highway and no difference slight hum but fine fine.
Trying pics, not. This Time security token issue even after re logging in, who knows

Finally, bluetoothed them to tablet and tada...
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More tiny pics. Some folks can post huge beautiful pics on this site, wonder how they do it?:shrug:

Preaching to the choir I know but the secret is keeping it in the drop. If it's too hard to spoon over, your out of the drop, just start over.
 
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i have these mitas tires on my xr650L and they work great, planning to put ride-on in them next Monday, had ride-on on previous bike and rode it lots offroad and never had a flat, down here near the border all border patrol 4 wheelers have ride-on and the tires wear out without ever getting flats
 
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Thanks for the feedback on the Dakar vs. Non -- sounds like the mounting issue has been exaggerated online... I've got a HF machine bolted to the garage floor, should be fine.

These will likely be my next tires, only other tire I'm even considering is the Motoz Tractionator GPS which seems very similar...

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I'll probably stick with the Mitas though and let the reviews and feedback keep trickling in on the Motoz.

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I too like that Motoz GPS and initial reviews although very limited, have been favorable. But more expensive than the Dakar and to be an equal value the GPS would need to last for 17k miles. Don't see that as a possibility.

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I kept the side walls compressed or squeezed (with a clamp) together so it keeps it in the drop. Kind of hard to explain
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So, last month on sander's Menard or bust 2 day monster ride. We hit just about every thing a dual sport ride could ask for (I do mean some hard hits). I found out,early in the morning after almost going down in the mud track that I had better do something about my air pressure in my new Dakar's. I didn't have a gauge so instead, I just did a quick 5 count pressure release on front and back. They were filled to spec with 33 psi front and 36psi rear. Not sure how much released but I think it let et down to about 26 which was much better ride.

Question, for this kind of off pavement where traction is a must have, what would be an acceptable, ideal lower pressure to run but still maintain a safe operating level on these tubeless tires. -5%, -7%, -10%? What is the conventional wisdom?
 

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I run about 40 frt and 42 rear pretty much all the time . I don't like to sit down , I'm afraid I'll bend a rim or get a flat. PS. I hate mud
 

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I generally run low to mid 30’s about where you started on my strom. I generally don’t air down i’m lazy and don’t want to air back up. Typically when on my dirt bikes when others are running 8-10 I’m running 15-20. I think a lot has to do with personal preference, and what you get accustomed to.

I have run them as low as 22 on my strom just from not checking them. I could feel it and aired them up when I got home.
 
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Last Dakar I installed on the rear of my Tenere I was talking to drirtyrider with my cell phone between my shoulder and my ear the the whole time . There really not hard to install. Just harder than the softer tires.
Well, as a data point, I had zero issues installing the rear Dakar. Just keep the tire in the dish of the rim like every other tire and it slid right on (HF Changer + Mojo Lever). I've had to wrestle other tires much more.

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Well, as a data point, I had zero issues installing the rear Dakar. Just keep the tire in the dish of the rim like every other tire and it slid right on (HF Changer + Mojo Lever). I've had to wrestle other tires much more.

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:tab Regarding the "security token" error when uploading images, that means your images are too large. Attachments must be no larger than 640 X 480 at 194KB max.

:tab Regarding tire pressures, I generally run my tires around 25-27 psi front and rear. I might go higher if I mount a more street biased tire, like 36/42 F/R. But for tires like the K60s, TKC 80s, and Shinko 805s, I stay in the mid 20s unless I know I will be doing a long stretch of pavement at highway speeds. This is for my 1200 GS. I have never had any issues with bending a rim on a rock or other commonly reported problems from running lower pressures. I think you'd need to get in the low 20s or even the high teens to see those problems unless you have a REALLY hard hit, which would likely cause problems even at higher pressures. The lower pressures really do help once you get off the pavement.
 
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Are y'alls E07 usually a little buzzy/bouncy for the first few miles? I've got about 100 miles on it now (mostly ~60mph commuting), and between 73-80 MPH I get a pretty good vibration from the rear tire -- it feels like it's out of balance. Below and above that speed it's smooth.

Will it smooth out as I put more miles on it, or do I need to pull it and check the balance?

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