His experience made me think I might as well stick with tubes.What happens if you pop the tube inside the tire? While riding this past week in Arkansas with a guy that has a Ducati Scrambler, he picked up a nail that went through the tire and I think also popped/tore the deal inside that sealed the spokes. With no way to seal it, he ended up riding the bike on the flat tire for almost 40 miles! Fortunately, the tire had real stiff side walls and he was able to run about 35-40 mph once he got to pavement and it did not shred the tire or trash his rim. He's now wondering how he might prevent a similar problem in the future. I was thinking the same thing about the Tubliss system though...
Why not just use those foam core inserts for the 500? I would think that solves all the problems for a lot less than installing the Tubliss? Am I missing something?Scott, Scott, Scott, you are such a positive guy, why focus on the negative
Yea, if you lose the high pressure tube in the middle it is just like ridding on a flat with half a rim lock. If the tire is stiff enough you can do several hundred miles on a flat. I have hundreds of desert racing miles with flat fronts or rears.
I used to carry a spare tube just case, but with the smaller bikes we never seem to be more than 60 miles from someplace, so I typically don't bother anymore. I do stock spare high pressure tubes in the trailer, just like I typically have spare tires.
I've not had a chance to mess with it. Waiting for my garage renovations to be completed so I have a clean dry place to work on it.Hey what did you find about the oil leak on your orange machine?
I guess if I were racing, where messing with a flat takes critical time, I might be more worried about it. However, in my years of riding dual sports on all manner of terrain, I've never really thought tubes were a serious problem. A repair typically takes all of 15 minutes tops if I am going slow and being careful. Since I don't do open desert racing and typically stick to dirt roads, even thorns have not been a real problem. The only real issue is the space and weight of packing spare tubes, pump, and tools. But even that has not been a problem, even on my KTM 530 EXC, which is not exactly a pack mule like a KLR 650. On a multi-day ride where I might be camping off the bike, I still carry a spare front and two spare rear tubes, as well as patches. If I am riding with someone I know, we might eliminate some stuff just so we are not carrying duplicates of everything.His experience made me think I might as well stick with tubes.
If the tubeless system fails, it seems like you have to carry a spare tube just in case anyway.
So not really any different than I do now.
If you are referring to a mousse like Michelin offers, it is not recommended for road use and I doubt it would balance at allWhy not just use those foam core inserts for the 500? I would think that solves all the problems for a lot less than installing the Tubliss? Am I missing something?
I've not had a chance to mess with it. Waiting for my garage renovations to be completed so I have a clean dry place to work on it.
Yes their great for off road racing applications where flats can cost you the win or cause serious injury. Michelin says they are speed rated up to 86 mph. Must replace every six months. non highway use.They must work fairly well as they have been used by many of the top Dakar racers
Put together a small backpack with said tools you can take with you regardless of bike. That's what I do. I have a carry/tool/lunchbox/work backpack that goes everywhere with me. I need to expand the tools in it, but you get the idea.Ha! I’ll just call you to rescue me. I carry all the tools and tubes on the klr and swapped tires with tools on the bike. Just not wanting to duplicate that for the xrl
It's funny you posting in a thread talking about the merits of systems to deal with flat tires, and there's your avatar right there.I mounted a set on my spare DR-Z wheels. You have to do it completely manually and they can be a bit of a booger to mount. I haven't ridden on them yet, need more days off. Hee Hee.
I have yet to see this work when attempted. Maybe the zip ties were not strong enough, but they were between almost every set of spokes all the way around the tire. They barely lasted 1/4 mile on a nice smooth dirt road on a 650 sized bike!Spare tubes for if I feel ambitious, giant zipties for if I don't.
Good to know. I'll just keep carrying what I've got.I have yet to see this work when attempted. Maybe the zip ties were not strong enough
just a front tube because "the 21" front will work in the 18-19" rear." I have seen that attempted on multiple occasions as well and have yet to see it actually work. In EVERY case I have seen, the tube has failed or completely come apart in a very short time.
The weight and bulk of a single rear tube (or two as I often carry) is not enough that I think it worth risking not carrying one for a typical dual sport ride. My riding opportunities are limited nowadays and I want to be able to make the most of them, which means not wasting an entire day jacking with a flat tire. I have even had occasion to give up one of my rear tubes to save a group ride in NASTY weather because one of the other riders was not well prepared. We were exposed and the lightning was starting to get CLOSE.Good to know. I'll just keep carrying what I've got.
I have a small Slime brand electric pump. I also carry CO2 cartridges, just in case. These will add a good bit of pressure to a tire in a hurry if needed. The pump can take a while...On the topic. What do yall carry as an inflation source?
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I carry the small slime pump most of the time, but always carry this manual or CO2 hybrid in the tail bag on my KTM.On the topic. What do yall carry as an inflation source?
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My experience is that they are harder to install, are much more bulky and heavy for packing, and yield no discernible increased benefit. In theory, they help protect against pinch flats. That would be an issue of you are running really low pressures, like 15 psi or less. On my KTM, I pretty much NEVER go below 20 psi and most often stay around 25 psi. But, that is for actual dual sport riding where I will be doing a mix of street and dirt. Riders that are more dirt biased, like Mike and RG, will generally favor lower pressures.Slime pump for me also. Is there any Benefit to the h/d tubes or just more weight? That’s what I have on the klr and for spares
The combo is a neat idea. It is only slightly bigger than my CO2 only setup.I carry the small slime pump most of the time, but always carry this manual or CO2 hybrid in the tail bag on my KTM.
The spare might take up less space, but if you actually use the spare, you still have to pack out the original HD tube, which takes up a lot of space. I used the HD tubes for a while, but like I said, I found no real benefit for general DS riding. I've ridden in Oklahoma, Arkansas, Missouri, Big Bend NP and SP, all over central and East Texas, Arizona, New Mexico, Utah, SW Colorado, Alabama, North Carolina, and Northern Mexico. A LOT of that has been in VERY rocky terrain on loaded down bikes. I've even done rocky and rooted single track riding. I don't think I've ever gotten a single flat on the front from riding, although I've had a few just from tires aging and the valve stem base leaking at the tube. I've had a few rear flats from punctures, but a HD tube would not have prevented any of those. I have NEVER had a pinch flat that was not tire tool induced But again, I think tire pressure has a LOT to do with that. Running really low pressures with a regular tube may lead to pinch flats in cases where an HD tube might prevent one.I install heavy duty tubes at home but carry standard for spares on the bike due to space.