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TWT Fall Arkansas/ Missouri Trip

Who: Matt "STrider" is your go to person for this trip. It is his baby. Post here or PM him if you have questions.

Dates: September 22 through 25.
Location: Eureka Springs, Arkansas
Lodging: Swiss Village Inn,
http://www.eureka-net.com/swissvillage/

800-447-6525
479-253-9541

A block of 12 rooms (all double queen, no smoking) is reserved at the hotel. Room rates are $59/ night for Friday and Saturday, and $39 for Sunday night. The rooms must be booked by August 22 or they will be released to the general pool. Make sure you tell them you are with the Two Wheel Texans group to get the group rate described above.

Travel: However you get there. I’m [Matt] looking to borrow a 2 to 4 place trailer. If one comes available, I [Matt] can tow & have room for bikes, riders & gear, & we can divide fuel costs.

Routes: To be determined, but will include MO160 & 125, and a ton of just incredible little twisty country roads.

Rides: The rides will consist of 300 – 400 miles a day through beautiful country on some great back roads of Arkansas and Missouri. The pace (and judging by the participant list, some of the riders) will range from mild to spirited. There is NO REASON for anybody to feel intimidated or worry about either falling behind or holding anybody up. As with any TWT ride, ride your own ride, at your own pace. Ride leaders will wait at intersections or change of plans to make sure the group stays together.

T-Shirts: http://www.twtex.com/forums/showpost.php?p=153559&postcount=102

Matt's Info Post: http://www.twtex.com/forums/showpost.php?p=117029&postcount=9
 
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I have access to a utility trailer that can probably hold at least 3, possibly 4 bikes. I'm undecided on whether I'd want in on the trailering or not, but if I go, you are welcome to use my (parents) trailer. I'll be able to make a committment as the date gets closer.
 
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Count me in as a maybe + 1 (friend on a 'busa)

If we go, I've got a great route from the DFW area to Eureka Springs. It's a long ride but well worth it.
 
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Chris (The Big Spank Daddy - GPZ 1100) and I (Chatterbox) are a definite. We had so much fun last weekend with another group, we're ready to go again!!!! :rider:
 
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Count me as a definite. Kidder I wouldn't mind tagging along for the scenic ride up if that's ok.
 
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Check back here for trip & participant updates.

STrider Update:
It looks like I'm out, no, in, no, out, no.... aww heck. I dunno. Check here for details.

ROOM UPDATE:
As of 9-21, there is or is not 1 or more rooms left in our block. PM me or other "D" list participants if you wanna know who is willing or wants to share a room. If folks on the "D" list are planning on sharing, let me know. If you are on the D list and have not reserved your room yet, please do so we can keep an accurate count of room availability. They will hold the room, but not charge your credit card until the event.

If/when our reservations at the hotel are filled, and if additional rooms at the hotel are not available, the trip is still open, but accomodations will be the responsibility of the late-comers. The starting point for the Saturday and Sunday rides is planned to be the Swiss Village Inn parking lot.


TRANSPORTATION UPDATE:
I will have access to a trailer. There is one trailer spot available. First come, first served. If you don't like the Grateful Dead, Rush, and The Who, it is gonna be a long ride up there.

THE RULES:
This is a TWT sponsored event. This means that we will conduct ourselves, and wear gear in accordance with The TWT Rules of the Road. If you have questions about the interpretation or implementation of the rules, ask before rather than after.

THE OFFICIAL APPROVED ROUTES

THE MEALS
People are asking, so here's the meals plan. Eat. There is no plan for group breakfasts. (The hotel does say they have a continental breakfast.) Go eat. Or dont. Just be sure you're there for pre-ride meetings. En route lunch plans are in work. Right now the "lead group finds a place" plan is winning. Group dinners, either in our entirety or in smaller groups will depend on space, tastes, budgets,....

I've made 7:00 PM reservations for 20 ish folks Saturday night (9-23) at The Bavarian Inn in Eureka Springs. German-Czech restaurant, dinners range around $15.00 (I'm gonna budget $25, maybe add a salad & a drink. or two.) I'll need a more solid head count a day or two before. I know 7 is a little late, but we have to allow time for showers, changing clothes, etc. for those that wanna.

THE PLAYERS:

Definite

scratch Paul Speed Triple
STrider Matt Beneficiary of another's generosity
Chatterbox Cindy Bandit1200
TheBigSpankDaddy Chris GPZ11

vfrhugh Hugh VFR

leeroy Kieth (bevo) VFR

Eulogite Alan DL1000K5
Eulowife Debbie Ninja 250
FJRMike Mike FJR

Texian Mark RC51
Redd Sarah SV650/Monster 620
Thermalser Stuart FZ1
V2Roger Roger FZ1
pacman1 Wes ZRX1100
Jon The Buddha ?? V-Strom 650

?? Larry CBR 929

FJRTX Donnie FJR
?? Peter GS1150

st1100 Mark FZ1
Tourmeister Scott KLR
rocketbunny Becca 1200ST NOT a trailer queen


Maybe

shaft drive six ?? GL1800 Silent Rider
hcope1 Buzz GS1150
 
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sounds like fun, not sure if I can make it or not. I'll check back come closer to time
 
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edmart001 said:
Anyone planning to ride up from Houston area?
That depends. Here's a conservative (erring to the expensive side) cost breakdown for a one way trip riding, trucking, & trailering up, assuming $5.00/ gallon for gas. Yeah, that may be high, but I'd rather plan on spending it & not than the other way 'round.

One way trip = about 650 miles

:tab :tab :tab :tab:tab:tab:tab:tab:tabTrailer
Bike:tab:tab Truck:tab :tab 2 bikes:tab:tab:tab 3 bikes
40 MPG:tab 15 MPG :tab 13 MPG:tab:tab :tab13 MPG
$81.25:tab $216.00:tab $125/ person:tab $83.33/person

4 bikes on a trailer & trucking up comes out to about $75/ person, one way. I'm tired of lining up the columns.

To answer your question, if I don't find a trailer to carry at least one other bike & rider, I'll ride up. I'd rather trailer up though.
 
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Yea, I'll probably be trailering up myself if I go this time. I have room for at least 3 bikes.
 
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If I'm going (and that's a big "if" since it's still over 4 months away), I'll probably put the bike in the truck bed and driving up. I'll have space for other riders' gear and whatnot if they need it.
 
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STrider said:
That depends. Here's a conservative (erring to the expensive side) cost breakdown for a one way tip riding, trucking, & trailering up, assuming $5.00/ gallon for gas. Yeah, that may be high, but I'd rather plan on spending it & not than the other way 'round.

One way trip = about 650 miles

:tab :tab :tab :tab:tab:tab:tab:tab:tabTrailer
Bike:tab:tab Truck:tab :tab 2 bikes:tab:tab:tab 3 bikes
40 MPG:tab 15 MPG :tab 13 MPG:tab:tab :tab13 MPG
$81.25:tab $216.00:tab $125/ person:tab $83.33/person

4 bikes on a trailer & trucking up comes out to about $75/ person, one way. I'm tired of lining up the columns.

To answer your question, if I don't find a trailer to carry at least one other bike & rider, I'll ride up. I'd rather trailer up though.
Are you going to have your bike inspected and registered by then? No pressure.
 
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Oh yea baby, I'm in!! I love Arkansas/MO. in the fall. Beth and I are in the house buy/sell mode right now but should be settled in by September. We have a contract on a place and and a contract on our present home. You never know till closing but things look good.
Hugh:rider:
 

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Put me down for the trip. Undecided on trailering or riding. May do both.
Got this mental image of Kent sitting on his bike while it's being trailered... ;-)

vfrhugh said:
Oh yea baby, I'm in!! I love Arkansas/MO. in the fall.
Excellent! Hope everything works out on the home swap. :thumb:
 

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Keith, you are the master of the minimalist post! :bow: :lol2:
 
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The little Ninja and I will aim at this trip, for sure. I rode the heck out of AR and some MO last weekend and can't wait to get back. I don't have much experience at group riding, but I was sorely tempted to reverse course when I watched a herd of sport and sport/tourers get off the ferry at Bull Shoals Lake. I was riding the ferry the other direction with a gaggle of cruisers.

We live just off I-30 at Cumby, TX. My ride to Eureka is simply sweet. One short stretch of straight road from the border to Idabel, then about 60 miles of reduced speed limit through Broken Bow. After that, let the games begin!

Then again, there is always the Paris-Hugo-Antlers route. Talimena, Pig Trail, and Eureka. As it gets closer, I will confirm and look for others to ride up with. We have accomodations for bikes and guests for those wanting to get a jump on the ride from the metromess.

PS- GO MAVS!
 

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:tab The are different kinds of group riding.

:tab For some groups, it is very regimented with Leaders, Sweeps, Captains, Communications people, etc,... This usually only works well with people that ride together on a regular basis or are used to riding with similar style groups. Expectations are high regarding knowing ALL the rules for that group. Some are very detailed, covering things like how to park when pulling into any area.

:tab Other groups are much less formal and rely on common but simple rules. This might include riding staggered in the straights, several seconds of spacing between bikes, no passing on the right side of another bike, and more. I tend to favor this format as it is more accepting of riders not familiar with the group. However, I usually try to go over the basics in a preride lecture that last about two minutes at most. The intent is to tell the people what is expected of them but to keep it simple enough that they will remember.

:tab Lastly, there are the groups that are made up of a bunch of individual riders. They will ride exactly the same as the would if alone. There will be little communication and they may be somewhat unorganized. The leader will often be the leader simply because he is the fast guy and not because he has any clue what he is doing (or she).

:tab A common problem on group rides is riders getting in over their heads and riding beyond their capabilities. This may be caused by a perceived pressure to keep up or to show everyone how good you can ride. It might be the result of a fear of being left behind. The key is that ALL of the riders should be aware of this dynamic and to watch for signs of it happening. Riders should ALWAYS ride a pace they are comfortable with, even if it means they are bringing up the rear. If the lead folks don't like waiting, I would strongly suggest you ride with a different group.

:tab On the rides that lead, I always watch to see how the group dynamic is working. I listen to other riders' comments about the people in front or behind them. Occasionally I have even pulled people aside discretely to talk with them. I may need to ask them to relax, not to goof off, or to point out a behavior that riders around them consider dangerous. I have never had any real problems though. Like I said, I lay out my expectations before the ride.

:tab Another thing I think is important for a group is that everyone in the group knows and BELIEVES they will not be left behind. This is a big fear for a lot of riders. Therefor, I will always stop the entire group at route changes so that we can all regroup. This provides a chance for people to speak up if something is bothering them, if they need to do something with their gear or bike, run off into the woods to take a break... But most importantly, it lets the slower riders relax because they know they won't get left behind.

:tab I used to do group rides geared towards newbies and they were well received. I wish I still had the free time to do this more often. They were different in that the preride meeting was longer and I really went over a lot of the fundamentals of handling the bike, proper throttle control, cornering, etc,... We checked everyone's bike over and got their suspension setup properly, chain slack set, and more. I also usually had some experienced riders that I trusted spread throughout the pack. This let the trailing newbies have someone experienced to watch. It also meant there was someone knowledgeable behind the newbies to observe and offer advice if wanted. Then the ride would be at a relaxed pace, speed limit or lower, frequent stops for discussion if needed, and shorter routes. We have some great roads up around Huntsville that are perfect for new riders.

:tab Part of riding in a group is thinking about the whole group while you are riding. You are responsible for keeping track of the rider behind you. If you go more than a few minutes without seeing the headlight behind you, slow down and see if they catch up. If they don't you might stop and wait a minute or two. If you still don't see them, you should seriously consider turning around as they could have had a problem. This also helps to keep the group from getting too spread out. Eventually, as more people stop seeing the headlight behind them, the entire group should backtrack in the event something has actually happened. This technique is very important and has really helped on some rides!

:tab There are a lot of other general ideas, but I don't have time to write one of my massive posts ;-) Here is the basic stuff I try to cover at my preride meetings.

http://www.twtex.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1528
 
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I might try to make this one since I haven't been on a trip since my '03 Black Hills run. I won't know until it gets closer.
 

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We're like Yin and Yang :-P

I'm verbose, he's not.
I still have some hair on my head... :nana:
I'm thin (in a relative way)... :lol2:





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Chris and I are definitely in for this trip. We are both looking forward to going back to Arkansas, this time with a different group of riders.

BTW - I REFUSE to ride on a mountain, in the rain, in a cloud bank - AGAIN!!!!
 

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BTW - I REFUSE to ride on a mountain, in the rain, in a cloud bank - AGAIN!!!!
Cindy, I hope you don't have plans to ever ride in Colorado or North Carolina :trust:
 
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BTW - I REFUSE to ride on a mountain, in the rain, in a cloud bank - AGAIN!!!!
Aww Cindy, you haven't lived until you've tried to negotiate a clean line in muddy car tracks while curving through a misty redwood forest with hail pinging off your helmet. :trust:

You can go ahead and change me to a definite on this trip, btw.
 
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Okay, we're reserved at the Swiss Village for 9/23 and 24. We won't leave until Saturday morning, so we will only make the Sunday group ride. We're gonna use this as a jump-off for a week's vacation riding in Missouri plus a couple of night's in St. Louis where we'll pay our respects to Albert Pujols and Anheiser Busch. :bow:
 
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Eulogite said:
We're gonna use this as a jump-off for a week's vacation riding in Missouri plus a couple of night's in St. Louis where we'll pay our respects to Albert Pujols and Anheiser Busch. :bow:
Pujols fans are excluded. Your penchant for Anheiser Busch however, cancels that out, so I guess that means one of you can come.

Edit made, everybody remember to check the participant list on the first page for trip updates.
 

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Hmmm...I think I'm a solid maybe with a leaning to definite. If I go, I'll be riding up so anyone that would like to join me is more than welcome! I've got room for one here at the house if you're coming up from Houston on Thursday. Also: I presume that everyone is traveling to/from on Friday and Monday with the actual rides on Sat & Sun, right?

I would also be interested in sharing a room. I like long walks on the beach and dinner before the first kiss... :-)
 
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That sorta leads to a question I had about room sharing. When I book my room is that for double occpancy ? I would like to get my reservation done over the weekend. I think Kidder was talking about a good route to ride up on, I'm in for riding up. Arlington will be my starting point. Who's riding up ? As for the beach walks , grab you a local, with the theme to Deliverance playing in the background.
 
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Also: I presume that everyone is traveling to/from on Friday and Monday with the actual rides on Sat & Sun, right?
That is what I had planned, but there are no hard & fast rules for having to be there on Saturday, or to prevent leaving early. See Eulogite's post above.

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That sorta leads to a question I had about room sharing. When I book my room is that for double occpancy ?
All the rooms are double queen beds, no smoking, so yes, it is a double occupancy rate. I didn't think to ask if there was a cheaper rate for single occupancy, but I don't think there is, since all the rooms are the same, reserved at the same rate. I'll call and ask sometime soon.
 
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Eulowife can now get off work that Friday at 1 pm. On the road by 2, it's about 360 miles from the house, I think. I don't want to ride in deer country after twilight, but don't want to do slab for 6 hours, either. We might take 271 to Ft Smith, then 540 on up. Anyhoo, we should be there for both days rides. :eat3:
 
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That sorta leads to a question I had about room sharing. When I book my room is that for double occpancy ?
Just confirmed there is no difference in the room rate between single and double occupancy. The rates are described in the first post.

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Any rooms not reserved 30 days prior will be released to the general pool.
 
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OK, room booked for 22,23,24- took the guy a while. He kept crashing the system while trying to fill in the info:eek2: . Anyway, sign me up for the folks riding up list. Who's riding back on Monday?
 
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OK, room booked for 22,23,24- took the guy a while. He kept crashing the system while trying to fill in the info:eek2: . Anyway, sign me up for the folks riding up list. Who's riding back on Monday?
Yeah, he called & told me he had a computer system problem. All is fixed now though.

As of yesterday afternoon, all rooms are booked.
 
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I'm looking for someone who has a room and wants to share from Friday evening thru Sunday evening as I will be riding back on Monday.

Anyone?
I'd be interested in splitting a room. Non-smoker here.
 

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You people going interested in having T-shirts done? There will be no voting. There will be one design and color. They will be shipped to you. Extras would not likely be made so it would be up front pay BEFORE the rally.
 
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