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Vehicle Monitor/Kill Switch Will NOT Apply to Motorcycles

I've never seen a stranded Tesla

I think this phenomena is partly due to my largely rural route from Lufkin to Austin. Unique factors:

* Young people like Teslas

* Teslas are only affordable for wealthy people

* High concentration of young wealthy kids in Bryan/College Station relative to surrounding areas

* No Tesla repair near Bryan

* Bricked Teslas require a long, long tow to Austin, which means Ubering to a coffee shop to await the tow = Tesla sits a long time on the shoulder where I'm more likely to see it


Here is a Google search for Tesla Repair along my route:

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Similar to BMW motorcycles. Risky to venture out into the hinterlands with them. 😁
 
They have a lot more in common with a mobile phone in terms of ownership experience and expected lifecycle.

No. They do not.

Cars are still expensive, long-term investments for most people, not disposable consooomer slop.

The software in the 2003 Toyota Camry I recently gave my GrandDaughter still works just fine. She drives it home from college regularly.


The argument about resale value is moot once you consider that these are hardware that is meant to be replaced or recycled.

I don't recall saying anything about Resale, but the idea a car should be ground up and recycled like a cheap Chromebook or Visio TV when it breaks is rather silly.

My 23 year-old Camry is still worth $4,000 by the way.

Compare that depreciation curve to a Tesla.


😁
 
The thing is, all new cars are inevitably software-based machines, but the manufacurers in general have a legacy design philosophy that results in poor software quality and utility. This may seem like a minor frustration, but remember with fully integrated devices with a long history of software development like cell phones, game consoles, laptops, even smart TVs, they are routinely replaced by consumers because the hardware cannot be supported by software or software updates quit coming. This is going to happen with cars.

So if you're going to buy a car that requires software, IMHO you're better off with one that's designed as an integrated device, developed and tested like an integrated piece of computing hardware, vs. a legacy car that may be mechanically more reliable but the software weak link will kill it long before it burns oil or needs a new bearing. Tesla is the leader in making cars this way, since they started it first. The other pure EV manufacturers like Rivian have the best hope of keeping up, and the likes of Honda who have been dabbling in robotics and hybrid & electric cars for decades are a better bet than the Johnnie-come-lately American automakers. They are playing catchup.

The argument about resale value is moot once you consider that these are hardware that is meant to be replaced or recycled. They aren't cars in the sense we all learned to know them. They have a lot more in common with a mobile phone in terms of ownership experience and expected lifecycle.
 
6.9 was a good reliable motor , just gutless , I had a couple turboed and they were ok but still gutless compared to a cummins B motor . I would like to put a cummins C motor in a pickup but I may be starting to realize that those days are past , Im struggling to keep what I have running at this point . My 96 F 350 is a beater truck , 420,00 plus miles 30 years old and just keeps on going but at this stage I dont think I want to hook to a trailer and take off 6 or 7 thousand miles in it anymore . The biggest issue is electronic motors are not a science , they work great until they dont and then you aint going anywhere and my experience to fix one is to keep throwing big bucks at it and then you still dont know if you fixed it , drive it till it quits and start over from scratch . Dodge crapped out last year , three different good shops said this , this and this 4,000 dollars latter a 30 dollar sensor has it running good for a 1,000 miles so far . Now if it makes it home next fall without issues I might start to breath easy again . I am not a fan of computor motors , micro crap has showed the world what real crap is and I am not impressed . A million miles from old world 855 cummins motors was a common thing .
 
Hmmm, I drive 500 miles 3-4 days a week for work, mostly interstates. I've never seen a stranded Tesla, maybe 1 or 2 on flatbed wreckers for the year. And there's lots of them on the freeway.

Teslas are the best selling cars in America. You're going to see some broken down just because they're everywhere.

I also haven't ever seen one broken down.
 
No. They do not.

Cars are still expensive, long-term investments for most people, not disposable consooomer slop.

This is part of the ownership expectations that I suggested are not the same for the current generation of buyer as they are for us old folks. It's not just cars, it's everything. Everything is evolving into subscription-based, software-driven, 3-year lifecycle products. In a decade it'll be only us old fogies who expect anything we buy to last more than 5 years. Whether a thing is repairable or not will be a moot point because the software will stop working long before anything that might warrant repairing would break.

The software in the 2003 Toyota Camry I recently gave my GrandDaughter still works just fine. She drives it home from college regularly.

Yeah see I was talking about new cars. Not 23 year old cars.

My 23 year-old Camry is still worth $4,000 by the way.

A 55 year old Datsun 510 is worth 10x that. A 50 year old Honda CVCC is worth 5x that at least. This isn't a resale value question, this is a "they don't make old things anymore" supply and demand question. In 20 years that Camry will be worth $20K just because dollars will be worth less and there will be far fewer 2003 Camrys available to buy. That doesn't mean they are better, or more useful.

I am hanging onto my 11 year old Jeep for dear life. So I'm with you in terms of my personal choices. But we're the old coots who are not conforming to the current market. The current market says that old Camry is junk and they'd way rather have a Tesla Model 3 if only they could afford it. The only thing the Camry has going for it is the price.

Depreciation of the Tesla doesn't matter because it's a device meant to be replaced. I remember when Steve Jobs was asked about why iPhones didn't have a replaceable battery, when most other Android phones of the era did (this was around 2010 or so), and that the battery would die and render the phone useless and force users to replace the whole phone. His response was "why on earth would anyone keep an old iPhone when a new one has come out?" That's how cars are today. The only reason you won't buy the new one and replace the old one is because you can't afford the new one yet. That's it. The automakers are going to be aiming for a 2-year replacement cycle but realistically it'll wind up being more like 3-4 years for most people, and people will try to stretch it to 5. There will be little point to owning a 10 year old car.
 
. The automakers are going to be aiming for a 2-year replacement cycle but realistically it'll wind up being more like 3-4 years for most people, and people will try to stretch it to 5
And so that would be the folks that think they are saving the planet by buying an EV. Talk about a carbon footprint being off the charts. Never thought I would be greener than most Bernie voters.
 
The master plan is for nothing but self driven electric cars that you do not own, you summon, IF your social credit score allows that level of personal luxury AND you are venturing out for an approved purpose to an approved destination.
 
The master plan is for nothing but self driven electric cars that you do not own, you summon, IF your social credit score allows that level of personal luxury AND you are venturing out for an approved purpose to an approved destination.
At least we will probably won't see it.
 
At least we will probably won't see it.
Don't be so sure... BIG changes often happen very suddenly and unexpectedly. The Feds are all set to go with respect to introducing fully digital currency controlled by central banks and outlawing cash. The hold up for them is the digital ID that is needed to make that work. AI is also part of that, but I think for this purpose, they already have what they need because that level of AI is already old tech. I think they are using immigration and the thought of non citizens voting as a means of getting the Right on board with accepting digital IDs for voting verification.

IF... IF... national voter ID happens, I predict it will be the proverbial camel's nose under the tent. While it might be offered as being used ONLY for voting, it will VERY quickly get adopted for all manner of things by banks, insurance companies, employers, etc,... Once that piece falls into place, there will likely be a financial crisis, similar to something like what we saw in 2006-2008, that will be used as the excuse to usher in the digital currency. It will be proffered as the solution to the crisis and people will be so freaked out that they will accept anything if they actually believe it will give them relief from the effects of the crisis. FEAR is a HUGE level for government to use against its people. It works almost every time and they never hesitate to use it.

Most modern vehicles are already part of the "internet of things". Old vehicles are EASY to get rid off without having to outright ban them or confiscate them. Insurance companies can either refuse to insure them or make the rates so high that people will have no choice but to get rid of them. Or, as is done right now by most insurance companies, your rates will be crazy high but they will offer a "safe driver discount". Of course, this will not be based on your history as a safe driver, but rather on constant live monitoring of your real time driving behavior. They already offer devices that plug into your car to do this. The discounts are in the range of 30-40% reductions in your premium if you accept this tech "voluntarily". As our economy continues to implode and things get more expensive, this will become more and more "appealing" to people as they see ways to save money.

The digital ID ties it all together by providing the link between all your devices, services, etc... There is even a push to force use of the digital ID for EVERYTHING you do on the internet so they can monitor AND control what you do on the internet. A kill switch in your car now for "safety" will become the same kill switch to disable your car because you have been deemed unworthy of the privilege to drive. You will be tracked and monitored everywhere you go (pretty much already are).

All these things are not conspiracy lunacy. They are all ACTUAL stated objectives of the people in power and in places to actually make it happen, public officials and private billionaire techs. They talk about it openly. They have conferences about it. They write about it. They give interviews about it. It is all out there but most people simple are not paying attention because they don't have the time to look into it and the mainstream media is a vested interest that has NO interest in keeping you informed about such things ;-)

This is the land of the "free". We will not be asked to show our papers. There will be no need for them ;-) Instead, we will be asked to look into retinal scanners, much like the ones used in Iraq during the GWOT to identify and track people there during our occupation.

It is not all a certain outcome, but is the desired outcome of those in power. Will the people at large accept it? Will they try to rise up? It is hard to resist the government when it has total control over all your resources and can track you at a level never even contemplated in the wildest dreams of tyrants of the past :zen:
 
Everything is evolving into subscription-based, software-driven, 3-year lifecycle products.

....we're the old coots who are not conforming to the current market.

...The automakers are going to be aiming for a 2-year replacement cycle but realistically it'll wind up being more like 3-4 years for most people, and people will try to stretch it to 5.

Ah. Now I see what you're getting at.

The System that Scott describes above is indeed happening, but I also see a rebellion against it also slowly forming.

It took 100 years from the 1917 revolution to 2017 for the Slave Masters to over-throw the old System and install the current financial global control grid.

The same thing can happen again in the reverse direction. I see it forming right now among a small vanguard of young people, and growing.
 
lol, this 74 y/o likes them, just can't afford the Cypertruck!

Cybertrucks are becoming even less affordable as more insurance companies refuse to cover them.

No insurance = No Loan

They are indeed disposable vehicles. As shown in this video, the aluminum frame of the vehicle cannot be economically repaired.

Any small damage to the sub-frame = instant $70,000 write-off. Geico wants none of that.

Fast-Forward to 9:34 if my deeplink doesn't work...

 
I can't find parts for my third gen Dodge Ram, the temp control for the AC is wonky and unavailable, the window stripe that wipe the inner and outer windows don't show up in the micro flitch ( thats what we use to call parts diagrams) , my 93 Ford E350 motorhome has parts availability issues, seems what ever company that rebuilds cores are doing a very poor job of it.
 
Yeah if you ever want a cheap, pretty cool looking Japanese 80s 4x4 go look for an Isuzu Trooper ... There are a number of parts that simply are not available anymore at any price so there's a ton of these old Troopers for sale out there for under $1K that are in good shape but need one of these special parts. Probably enough to whip up a cottage industry of buying them up, converting them to a commodity diesel engine, reselling.

This is no different than any other industry that's gone basically digital. Your phone, which most of us gladly replace every 5 years or less, has replaced your need for a camera, video camera, music player, handheld game console, etc. I recently replaced the stylus on my turntable, the part was hard to find and was over $300. The entire cartridge, the one that I got by winning a trivia contest back in about 1994, is like $1500 today. I had to fab some tonearm parts myself. Also, for the past 8 years or so I've been wearing smartwatches. I got hooked on two or three features on them and just can't go back to normal watches. I have a watch valet with about a dozen or so nice old watches and I haven't put one of them on in nearly a decade. Instead I pay $300-500 every 3 years for a new smartwatch and just toss the old one. How many of you are hanging on to old power tools like corded drills and air impact wrenches now that modern cordless ones outperform the old ones and you just replace them when they get worn out instead of having to repair them? I was a late adopter but I have converted all of my lawn tools to 60V electric and I have absolutely zero regrets. They just work every single time with no tinkering at all and if there is a single failure I'll just toss it and buy a new one without giving it a second thought.

One of these days your gas car is going to be like that. Everyone else will be replacing their EV every 3 to 5 years and don't care about the old one because it was just a device, not a thing worth owning. It's a thing to use, and use up, then replace. In a decade me working on my Jeep, likely when it needs a new clutch that will probably cost me $1000+ in just parts because it's a niche thing that nobody buys like my turntable stylus, everyone will think I'm a nut just like they do when I am repairing my turntable now. Or building a tube guitar amplifier. And that'll be you cleaning the carburetor on your lawn mower, because it'll be only like 0.5% of lawn mowers that have a carburetor.
 
It is hard to resist the government when it has total control over all your resources and can track you at a level never even contemplated in the wildest dreams of tyrants of the past

True, but we have a duty to resist.

I employ these mitigations:

. Privacy currency: Monero

. KDE computer operating system. Open-source. No spying.

. Mullvad VPN to privatize my online research

. Paid email to keep deep state military contractors Google and Microsoft out of my business. Runbox

. Firefox web browser for the same reason.

. Long-range international communication I can control. Yaesu FT-891

I'm still deciding on a transportation solution. Homemade Electric I can solar charge is looking better and better.
 
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