Mextrek 17 Ride Report! (April 2023)

[Mextrekadv]

This year we ended up with 24 riders, from newbies to veterans. This year was in cooperation with the 2023 Nuevo Leon ADV Rally, which meant shirts, stickers and parties for the weekend in Santiago! Moody weather and occasional bike hiccups kept this trip interesting, but all 4-5 days went pretty smoothly.

Post your stories and pictures here!

 

[MarkyMark]

This is my fourth(?) mextrek, I'm usually going on the long October rides so I normally take it pretty easy on my T7 in the Santiago area. This was probably the most intense mextrek I've gone on, in terms of offroad riding. That's what I get for trying to hang with the fast guys on dirtbikes. I've got plenty of gopro to sift through and edit, that'll come later.

After riding to the border, Day 0 was an initial trek to Santiago, then some back roads behind Santiago to Rt 20, into doing Potrero Redondo backwards. I lost a pretty critical bolt along the way...

Day 1 was a journey that only Ilias could recall, I blindly followed along some out-and-back roads from the Gold Standard. This was the first day we got hailed on. We eventually reached our goal of Salto Los Gaona, then made our way back, reaching Santiago in the dark. I almost ran out of gas on this day, something like 127 miles of Rt 20 and dirt.

After two days of pushing around a 450 pound motorcycle, I wanted an easy day. @Mextrekadv, a couple others and I set out along Montemorelos Road and down to the bridge to lounge. We tried one unexplored route out, Peter immediately almost drowned his bike, and we retreated just to get hailed on...again. Riding back, I have to give a shoutout to our group members for slowing down enough for me to repeatedly stop, take pictures, and catch back up

Days 3/4 were the days that most riders returned to the US. I spent day 3 in the lap of luxury. The... ratty caddy? The del-limo? Rusto Extendo?

By day 4, it was just myself and two friends. My friends took off towards Galeana via pavement and I went down the backside of Rt 20, descending into the desert. I have a lot of experience riding solo. I also have a lot of experience riding in Mexico. However, I do not have a lot of experience...riding solo in Mexico. I carefully made my way to Cienega Del Toro, my favorite place in Mexico. Here's a hill climb that I've never really successfully made it up or down, until now

After five days, I was sad to leave, but after a long ride from Santiago to Austin, I was back in bed, sifting through pictures.

Shoutout to the group, this was one of the best riding groups I've been with, it's awesome to see such a wide range of skill and spirit. See y'all in October

 

[Simmons1]

Great report thanks for posting

 

[dcsheppard]

This is my first TWTEX post recapping my first Mextrek, so please excuse any posting errors. I found Mextrek much the way many do, via TWTEX, and I found TWTEX after a friend loaned me a copy of Richard Gibbens' Hill Country Guide. He gave me that guide after I had already done the Jones River crossing (with mild to moderate success), and had I read the account of the treacherous crossing prior, I probably would have avoided it. Still, that experience told me I needed to research rides better ahead of time, and best to explore with a group. Well, I've found my people and resources now, so good luck getting rid of me amigos.

Day 0 After a restless night, and 3-4 hours sleep, I ride from Austin to McAllen and spend the day visiting with a buddy there who I stayed with after meeting the group at dinner. We got the low down on rules and expectations, and Peter and Justine did their best to erase any ease and calm I might have arrived with. I wasn't naive as to what we were going into, but ****, I knew another restless night's sleep awaited me. I have backcountry hiking, backpacking, and mountain climbing experience and feel comfortable fending against nature and solitude, but Mexico presented an entirely new challenge. I was glad to be heading into it with this group, and I decided then that I would be riding with "Day 1" mentality for the entirety of my first Mextrek. IYKYN.

No motos or scenery in this pic, just a cute 3 yr old in traditional Dutch clogs. Ironically, I feel like I'm wearing wooden clogs with any type of riding boots on my V-Strom even with the clutch lever full adjusted. Probably an upgrade coming there in due time.

Day 1: I promise more photos and less words coming in the rest of this post. Actually, hope you like food pics because my GoPro was not working, and I'm slow, so I didn't have a ton of time to stop and take pics until we stopped to eat. I had to convince my wife back home on the second day that I was there to ride and not just soak up the guisada. Thankfully, Mark and others have better ride photos to share.

Meet up at the Texas Inn at 7am and hang around while the group organizes in the parking lot. Great time to check out other bikes, and figure out some small groups of like-minded riders. We get rolling and groups converge at the Anzalduas crossing just 10 minutes from the hotel. We got first hand experience in how nuanced border crossings can be, starting with crossing this room 4-5X going from desk to desk for document inspections, stamps, copies, payment, etc. It was pretty much exactly as described at our kick-off, but we encountered a little friction from one attendant in particular who took issue with one of the vehicles already approved to cross and decided to take her frustration out on Garon and Wendy who had almost done everything correctly.

Thankfully, we eventually all cross together after about an hour at the station.

The ride from the border was pretty uneventful. Just get outta dodge asap was the plan. We stopped at a gas station after about 70 miles, which apparently is on the left side of the road. I got my first off-roading of the trip cutting across the median to backtrack to it. However, once you get off the toll road and the second highway, the ride gets very interesting and scenic. I loved riding by all the ranchitos, road side grills, and oh ****, there's one of those topes they told me about. Cuidado ya'll, ok I get it now. First shot of scenery is the obligatory stop at the bat cave.

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Onwards towards Santiago with the slow group. We arrived at the wonderful Posada de Colores we had all to ourselves. It's a popular spot though, and attractive to visitors, so expect people to come in looking for a room from time to time. I practiced my Spanish and gave a couple tours, and pointed people to the web site for future accommodations. You can literally book a bunk bed for $25 a night on their site. This place is a gem. Located on a secondary square a block or two away from the main square, it's the perfect location.

The courtyard between the main bunkhouse and the casitas is where we would congregate in the mornings and evenings, and Mark swears he wasnt working on his laptop. I made sure he was just dumping videos and photos from his drone and gopro prepping for his next adventure.

Roof top patio outside the bunkhouse with a full bath and shower. May or may not have drip dried out there a few times enjoying the smells and sounds of the neighborhood.

Out to lunch, and I ain't scared to jump right into some barbacoa and chicharone tacos. Though I could have also gone for the enchiladas or tacos a the spot the larger group went just as well.

I think Loupe won lunch, first checkpoint achieved.

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We set off on our skills test ride with the faster dirt bikes ahead of the adventure bikes but we ended up crossing paths a few times, mostly due to my chain slipping off and slowing my group down - even more. But nobody seemed phases by the mishap and soon enough we were rolling again.

A stop at the Tiki Loco complete with open air seating, liquados, and shrimp cocktails awaited our return.

That night the group decided on the Italian restaurant on the main square. I was hesitant, **** bent on challenging the integrity of my intestines, but I went along and had an awesome pizza.

I wont post too many faces of other riders, but Sid's face was literally everywhere that week, so I know he won't mind. Best virgin strawberry marg ever. Thanks for the recommendation JB!

It was a quiet but lively Wednesday evening on the main square. After dinner, I made some new friends, Pancho, Chapito 701, and we got patched into Los Monumentales de Monterrey. Nicest bikers you'll ever meet and my first experience with Mexicans whose English is better than mine. **** those South Texas schools, but my Spanish is the above gringo average.

Day 2: After days of packing, two days of riding, and a few restless nights, I was looking for a siesta. Most riders took of for the day and after breakfast, where Peter introduced me to the art and beauty of hot cakes (I'll never look at a pancake the same way again), I had 3 hour nap in the bunkhouse. Afterwards, I jumped in Kanye with Peter, Sid, and Everett and we headed down to the rally kick off at the carting track. I can sweat in an igloo, but Peter has a perfectly designed A/C system in our chase vehicle.

We met Joaquin Lam, who runs ADV MX and was the most excellent and gracious host of the rally.

The chiefs discussed logistics, or perhaps were just looking at pics of hotcakes.

The four of us headed back to Tiki Loco since we were right there, and visited the nearby Pueblo with several shops selling beautiful wood and woodwork at prices that made me consider how many slabs, tables, and charcuterie boards I could load in by VW Bus on my next trek south. My wife joked that we could open El West Elm in Austin with that inventory, which I'm surprised has not been done by somebody already.

Back at the rally, we enjoyed the entertainment, visited the vendors, and lusted over bikes on bikes on bikes.

Once the other amigos showed up, we gave the carts a go. I oped out of the barefoot experience and was able to get on an elevated stand in the infield for pics and videos. Unfortunately, the aforementioned GoPro, aka GoPoop, I gave Everertt only got :25 of footage, but I got some decent footage (still figuring out how to load videos).

That night, the group dined at the steakhouse, but I slipped out and grabbed some tacos on the square.

Once the rest of the amigos returned from dinner, there was some mmhhmm'n around Clayton's bike which didn't run for the rest of the trip. Not for a lack of trying though, and we even got a visit from a mobile moto mechanic who gave the final diagnosis of a broken timing chain.

To be continued... Apparently I've reached an attachment limit, am I doing this right?

 

[dcsheppard]

First error found. Missing the obligatory bat cave photo:

 

[TxTimMo]

MexTrek noob here. I’ve been following these ride trips for years. The “Santiago light” itinerary and shifting schedules opened up a weekend and I am very glad to have made the trip. Definitely won’t be my last trip to ride in MX or my last MexTrek.

Day 1 allowed us to get a feel for how our groups would form. Helps to gain familiarity with the riding styles and pace of the other riders.

Clayton, Jason, Kurt, Chaes, and I did the ride to Reyones on day 2, which is where we had a mechanical failure and ended up spending the afternoon on the town Square. Fortunately, the convenient store on the square had beer and snacks, shade, and chairs. And, the store owner helped arrange a ride for Clayton’s DRZ back across the mountains to homebase.

Day three started with a ride across the mountain on Highway 20 followed by an adventure into the canyon to score a few rally Points. Our ride group today was the same as day 2 minus Clayton. We spent a lot of time in the river bed riding up the canyon which was scenic and challenging. Everybody dropped their bike at least once but no serious damage or injuries took place. We made it back into a small mountain village just before a downpour but we had already picked a place with gasoline, snacks and a bar. It was a great spot for waiting out the rain and getting a cold drink and something to eat.

Day 4 threatened more rain, but we set out towards the golden standard anyways riding through Reyones and up into the mountain pass just before the clouds, fog and rain made things interesting. I didn’t know at the time, but the ride home on Monday would start off the same way our Sunday ride finished (cold and wet). My riding partners on Sunday were Roland, Chad, Royce, and Thomas. Their knowledge of the area allowed us to cover more ground on Sunday than on the previous days of the trip.

Day 5, Monday, started off dry then quickly turned wet and cold, as we made our way to the toll road. 9 of us rode to the border together and crossed into the US without incident.

I learned a lot on this trip. I packed way too much stuff for a five day trip. Follow the instructions provided by Peter so your **** is in order when you get to customs on day one. Mexico is a beautiful place with amazing mountains and plentiful riding opportunities. The Santiago area felt safe, and offered great food and entertainment. Basics like gas and groceries were easy to find and purchase, even for a gringo who speaks very little Spanish. The roads were crowded in some places, but drivers treat each other with respect and follow the basic common sense rule of slower to the right and faster to the left. Why can’t people do that in Austin? Motorcycles seem to be everywhere in Mexico and I loved seeing young kids riding through town with the freedom a motorcycle provides.

It would only make sense to wrap up this post by saying how great of a group we had for this trip. Everyone shared experiences and knowledge, making this noob Mextrekker feel comfortable, even confident, about venturing out into the wild riding that’s available all over the Santiago area.

Looking forward to another trip like this one soon!

 

[enrique60033]

This is my first TWTEX post recapping my first Mextrek, so please excuse any posting errors. I found Mextrek much the way many do, via TWTEX, and I found TWTEX after a friend loaned me a copy of Richard Gibbens' Hill Country Guide. He gave me that guide after I had already done the Jones River crossing (with mild to moderate success), and had I read the account of the treacherous crossing prior, I probably would have avoided it. Still, that experience told me I needed to research rides better ahead of time, and best to explore with a group. Well, I've found my people and resources now, so good luck getting rid of me amigos.

Day 0 After a restless night, and 3-4 hours sleep, I ride from Austin to McAllen and spend the day visiting with a buddy there who I stayed with after meeting the group at dinner. We got the low down on rules and expectations, and Peter and Justine did their best to erase any ease and calm I might have arrived with. I wasn't naive as to what we were going into, but ****, I knew another restless night's sleep awaited me. I have backcountry hiking, backpacking, and mountain climbing experience and feel comfortable fending against nature and solitude, but Mexico presented an entirely new challenge. I was glad to be heading into it with this group, and I decided then that I would be riding with "Day 1" mentality for the entirety of my first Mextrek. IYKYN.

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No motos or scenery in this pic, just a cute 3 yr old in traditional Dutch clogs. Ironically, I feel like I'm wearing wooden clogs with any type of riding boots on my V-Strom even with the clutch lever full adjusted. Probably an upgrade coming there in due time.

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Day 1: I promise more photos and less words coming in the rest of this post. Actually, hope you like food pics because my GoPro was not working, and I'm slow, so I didn't have a ton of time to stop and take pics until we stopped to eat. I had to convince my wife back home on the second day that I was there to ride and not just soak up the guisada. Thankfully, Mark and others have better ride photos to share.

Meet up at the Texas Inn at 7am and hang around while the group organizes in the parking lot. Great time to check out other bikes, and figure out some small groups of like-minded riders. We get rolling and groups converge at the Anzalduas crossing just 10 minutes from the hotel. We got first hand experience in how nuanced border crossings can be, starting with crossing this room 4-5X going from desk to desk for document inspections, stamps, copies, payment, etc. It was pretty much exactly as described at our kick-off, but we encountered a little friction from one attendant in particular who took issue with one of the vehicles already approved to cross and decided to take her frustration out on Garon and Wendy who had almost done everything correctly.

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Thankfully, we eventually all cross together after about an hour at the station.

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The ride from the border was pretty uneventful. Just get outta dodge asap was the plan. We stopped at a gas station after about 70 miles, which apparently is on the left side of the road. I got my first off-roading of the trip cutting across the median to backtrack to it. However, once you get off the toll road and the second highway, the ride gets very interesting and scenic. I loved riding by all the ranchitos, road side grills, and oh ****, there's one of those topes they told me about. Cuidado ya'll, ok I get it now. First shot of scenery is the obligatory stop at the bat cave.

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Onwards towards Santiago with the slow group. We arrived at the wonderful Posada de Colores we had all to ourselves. It's a popular spot though, and attractive to visitors, so expect people to come in looking for a room from time to time. I practiced my Spanish and gave a couple tours, and pointed people to the web site for future accommodations. You can literally book a bunk bed for $25 a night on their site. This place is a gem. Located on a secondary square a block or two away from the main square, it's the perfect location.

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The courtyard between the main bunkhouse and the casitas is where we would congregate in the mornings and evenings, and Mark swears he wasnt working on his laptop. I made sure he was just dumping videos and photos from his drone and gopro prepping for his next adventure.

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Roof top patio outside the bunkhouse with a full bath and shower. May or may not have drip dried out there a few times enjoying the smells and sounds of the neighborhood.

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Out to lunch, and I ain't scared to jump right into some barbacoa and chicharone tacos. Though I could have also gone for the enchiladas or tacos a the spot the larger group went just as well.

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I think Loupe won lunch, first checkpoint achieved.

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We set off on our skills test ride with the faster dirt bikes ahead of the adventure bikes but we ended up crossing paths a few times, mostly due to my chain slipping off and slowing my group down - even more. But nobody seemed phases by the mishap and soon enough we were rolling again.

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A stop at the Tiki Loco complete with open air seating, liquados, and shrimp cocktails awaited our return.

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That night the group decided on the Italian restaurant on the main square. I was hesitant, **** bent on challenging the integrity of my intestines, but I went along and had an awesome pizza.

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I wont post too many faces of other riders, but Sid's face was literally everywhere that week, so I know he won't mind. Best virgin strawberry marg ever. Thanks for the recommendation JB!

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It was a quiet but lively Wednesday evening on the main square. After dinner, I made some new friends, Pancho, Chapito 701, and we got patched into Los Monumentales de Monterrey. Nicest bikers you'll ever meet and my first experience with Mexicans whose English is better than mine. **** those South Texas schools, but my Spanish is the above gringo average.

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Day 2: After days of packing, two days of riding, and a few restless nights, I was looking for a siesta. Most riders took of for the day and after breakfast, where Peter introduced me to the art and beauty of hot cakes (I'll never look at a pancake the same way again), I had 3 hour nap in the bunkhouse. Afterwards, I jumped in Kanye with Peter, Sid, and Everett and we headed down to the rally kick off at the carting track. I can sweat in an igloo, but Peter has a perfectly designed A/C system in our chase vehicle.



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We met Joaquin Lam, who runs ADV MX and was the most excellent and gracious host of the rally.

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The chiefs discussed logistics, or perhaps were just looking at pics of hotcakes.

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The four of us headed back to Tiki Loco since we were right there, and visited the nearby Pueblo with several shops selling beautiful wood and woodwork at prices that made me consider how many slabs, tables, and charcuterie boards I could load in by VW Bus on my next trek south. My wife joked that we could open El West Elm in Austin with that inventory, which I'm surprised has not been done by somebody already.

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Back at the rally, we enjoyed the entertainment, visited the vendors, and lusted over bikes on bikes on bikes.



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Once the other amigos showed up, we gave the carts a go. I oped out of the barefoot experience and was able to get on an elevated stand in the infield for pics and videos. Unfortunately, the aforementioned GoPro, aka GoPoop, I gave Everertt only got :25 of footage, but I got some decent footage (still figuring out how to load videos).
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That night, the group dined at the steakhouse, but I slipped out and grabbed some tacos on the square.

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Once the rest of the amigos returned from dinner, there was some mmhhmm'n around Clayton's bike which didn't run for the rest of the trip. Not for a lack of trying though, and we even got a visit from a mobile moto mechanic who gave the final diagnosis of a broken timing chain.
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To be continued... Apparently I've reached an attachment limit, am I doing this right?

I love when people go to my home country and have a good time! I know Peter likes the highfalutin places in Mexico and that's ok. Maybe one day we cross paths and I will give you the real Mexican experience.

 

[enrique60033]

MexTrek noob here. I’ve been following these ride trips for years. The “Santiago light” itinerary and shifting schedules opened up a weekend and I am very glad to have made the trip. Definitely won’t be my last trip to ride in MX or my last MexTrek.

Day 1 allowed us to get a feel for how our groups would form. Helps to gain familiarity with the riding styles and pace of the other riders.

Clayton, Jason, Kurt, Chaes, and I did the ride to Reyones on day 2, which is where we had a mechanical failure and ended up spending the afternoon on the town Square. Fortunately, the convenient store on the square had beer and snacks, shade, and chairs. And, the store owner helped arrange a ride for Clayton’s DRZ back across the mountains to homebase.

Day three started with a ride across the mountain on Highway 20 followed by an adventure into the canyon to score a few rally Points. Our ride group today was the same as day 2 minus Clayton. We spent a lot of time in the river bed riding up the canyon which was scenic and challenging. Everybody dropped their bike at least once but no serious damage or injuries took place. We made it back into a small mountain village just before a downpour but we had already picked a place with gasoline, snacks and a bar. It was a great spot for waiting out the rain and getting a cold drink and something to eat.

Day 4 threatened more rain, but we set out towards the golden standard anyways riding through Reyones and up into the mountain pass just before the clouds, fog and rain made things interesting. I didn’t know at the time, but the ride home on Monday would start off the same way our Sunday ride finished (cold and wet). My riding partners on Sunday were Roland, Chad, Royce, and Thomas. Their knowledge of the area allowed us to cover more ground on Sunday than on the previous days of the trip.

Day 5, Monday, started off dry then quickly turned wet and cold, as we made our way to the toll road. 9 of us rode to the border together and crossed into the US without incident.

I learned a lot on this trip. I packed way too much stuff for a five day trip. Follow the instructions provided by Peter so your **** is in order when you get to customs on day one. Mexico is a beautiful place with amazing mountains and plentiful riding opportunities. The Santiago area felt safe, and offered great food and entertainment. Basics like gas and groceries were easy to find and purchase, even for a gringo who speaks very little Spanish. The roads were crowded in some places, but drivers treat each other with respect and follow the basic common sense rule of slower to the right and faster to the left. Why can’t people do that in Austin? Motorcycles seem to be everywhere in Mexico and I loved seeing young kids riding through town with the freedom a motorcycle provides.

It would only make sense to wrap up this post by saying how great of a group we had for this trip. Everyone shared experiences and knowledge, making this noob Mextrekker feel comfortable, even confident, about venturing out into the wild riding that’s available all over the Santiago area.

Looking forward to another trip like this one soon!

Hey! I am very sure I rode with you Old Ore at the last Big Bend rally. Glad you made it to Mexico!

 

[gixxerjasen]

Thanks for the RR. Excellent for those of us who planned to do this ride but weren't able to make it due to work issues. Thanks for taking us a long.

Actually, hope you like food pics

Ordinarily I'd be all over the food pics, and look forward to finally attending a MexTrek in the future and enjoying all these good eats for myself. However, reading your post on day 4 of a 4 day fast was probably not the best idea!

No motos or scenery in this pic, just a cute 3 yr old in traditional Dutch clogs. Ironically, I feel like I'm wearing wooden clogs with any type of riding boots on my V-Strom even with the clutch lever full adjusted. Probably an upgrade coming there in due time.

Not to get off topic here, but it's interesting, I wonder how many TWTex folks have these in their home?

The small ones were mine given to me at my birth in the Amersfoort area, the big ones were given to me when I was a teenager by our previous Dutch neighbors.

 

[Vinny]

That go-cart track is a must visit for me now

 

[Frqnt-Flyr]

This was my first MT. It was a great trip and I am looking forward to going again.

 

[kayakkawakid]

This is my fourth(?) mextrek, I'm usually going on the long October rides so I normally take it pretty easy on my T7 in the Santiago area. This was probably the most intense mextrek I've gone on, in terms of offroad riding. That's what I get for trying to hang with the fast guys on dirtbikes. I've got plenty of gopro to sift through and edit, that'll come later.

After riding to the border, Day 0 was an initial trek to Santiago, then some back roads behind Santiago to Rt 20, into doing Potrero Redondo backwards. I lost a pretty critical bolt along the way...

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Day 1 was a journey that only Ilias could recall, I blindly followed along some out-and-back roads from the Gold Standard. This was the first day we got hailed on. We eventually reached our goal of Salto Los Gaona, then made our way back, reaching Santiago in the dark. I almost ran out of gas on this day, something like 127 miles of Rt 20 and dirt.

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After two days of pushing around a 450 pound motorcycle, I wanted an easy day. @Mextrekadv, a couple others and I set out along Montemorelos Road and down to the bridge to lounge. We tried one unexplored route out, Peter immediately almost drowned his bike, and we retreated just to get hailed on...again. Riding back, I have to give a shoutout to our group members for slowing down enough for me to repeatedly stop, take pictures, and catch back up

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Days 3/4 were the days that most riders returned to the US. I spent day 3 in the lap of luxury. The... ratty caddy? The del-limo? Rusto Extendo?

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By day 4, it was just myself and two friends. My friends took off towards Galeana via pavement and I went down the backside of Rt 20, descending into the desert. I have a lot of experience riding solo. I also have a lot of experience riding in Mexico. However, I do not have a lot of experience...riding solo in Mexico. I carefully made my way to Cienega Del Toro, my favorite place in Mexico. Here's a hill climb that I've never really successfully made it up or down, until now

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After five days, I was sad to leave, but after a long ride from Santiago to Austin, I was back in bed, sifting through pictures.

Shoutout to the group, this was one of the best riding groups I've been with, it's awesome to see such a wide range of skill and spirit. See y'all in October

I talked to Mike in Montemorelos a month ago...he said that caddy looking better everyday ...is it still there Everett? And question for the whole group...was the Dao up or down?

 

[MarkyMark]

Since I won't get to editing the gopro for a while, I started just uploading all the riding cut together:

 

[Halen]

Since I won't get to editing the gopro for a while, I started just uploading all the riding cut together:

@MarkyMark I think you summed up my thoughts perfectly at the 31:50 mark in the first video, I thought the same thing when I saw the views / road you were riding on. Epic!

 

[MarkyMark]

@MarkyMark I think you summed up my thoughts perfectly at the 31:50 mark in the first video, I thought the same thing when I saw the views / road you were riding on. Epic!

Oh, yeah profanity warning on all of these videos

 

[MarkyMark]

Aaaand finally got it all together