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I have been in contact with friends in Cali, Arkansas, Arizona and Idaho and they ALL say the public lands are OPEN for riding. What is the current status of the Sam H?
 

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Too wet right now.... will be open once it drys up.
Probably still too wet as you say, my thoughts, with shutdown, when it dries out will the furloughed employ come out and open the gates for riders that he doesn't care for anyway?
 
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Is the Sam H crew affiliated with the Lufkin crew that hated us in the Angelina? I know they are all NF but are they under the same immediate supervision?
 

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Is the Sam H crew affiliated with the Lufkin crew that hated us in the Angelina? I know they are all NF but are they under the same immediate supervision?
Sort of at the minimum, our forest is serviced from that crew. Where the main decision maker is at I don't know.
 
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Someone posted in a forum a few years ago there was a lady at the Angelia office that supervised the SHNF trials, but was supposed to be moving to another position or leaving the Forest Service.
 

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On the Old Dudes on dirt bike site, someone asked when the forest would open, I said June......2020. They didn't think it was funny, lol. I removed it.
 
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Looking to ride in the Sam Houston NF with my Versys-X 300 dual sport. I haven't ridden those trails yet and live in Humble, TX. I did goto the 4x4 Extreme Place in Crosby, and I had fun but couldn't ride half of it for all the water pit everywhere. I am not looking to go mudding, and for one thing, I have the factory tires which are more 60/40 style tires without knobs more for street but do well on dry dirt. Drop me a line if ya'll wanna meet up somewhere, if you know any place thats not going to be a mud pit.
 
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On the Old Dudes on dirt bike site, someone asked when the forest would open, I said June......2020. They didn't think it was funny, lol. I removed it.
The way things are headed more likely that is the date the forest will be permanently closed to OHV. And normally I'm an optimistic person.

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Lack of organized opposition and legal help to fight this crap is our issue. In other states riders groups have excellent NF riding opportunities and do not let OUR prejudiced EMPLOYEES dictate their right to ride. The groups I see sucking up to the gestapo types thinking they will gain "permission" to ride gives me indigestion. I very very much appreciate everyones effort to open the trails but I strongly feel much of the effort is misdirected or just plain wasted. What some of us endured in the Angelina has soured me greatly, sad and disgusting to see this same scenario unfolding in the SH. The appeasement approach does not work folks. Period!
 
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When I called, and this was 2 years ago to talk to someone about the OHV trails. The woman asked me if my bike was street legal or not, and I said YES. She said just come on and ride on whatever you want, that you don't need a sticker or anything unless its NOT street legal. Can't you just go out there regardless and start riding. I mean, its probably muddy right now, but what I have seen of the National Forest is there are roads running in all directions and I don't see any gates. However, I am talking about the Cleveland side off 59, and that appears to be all hunting vehicles and traffic.
 

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The multiuse trailheads are gated and closed right now. I have no authority to tell you not jump on a trail from a dirt road . the roads are open of course. People do it, since the road crossings don't say closed. I don't risk it.
 

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Where could I find a map of the Lufkin Dual Sport trails?
Really not sure what you're asking for. There is no dual sport trails per se. Lot of forest roads in Davy Crockett and SHNF. Davy Crockett has no trails, about 80 miles of marked horse paths that I'mm aware of. SHNF has the multi use trail system that we're discussing here.
 

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Lot of forest roads in Davy Crockett and SHNF. Davy Crockett has no trails, about 80 miles of marked horse paths that I'm aware of. SHNF has the multi use trail system that we're discussing here.
I have trouble differentiating the different types of roads as well when just reading about them here. The forest roads are not the trails, I guess? I guess the forest roads stay open when the trails close?

Can motorcycles go on the horse paths in Davy Crockett? I assume not, but just checking.
 
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I have trouble differentiating the different types of roads as well when just reading about them here. The forest roads are not the trails, I guess? I guess the forest roads stay open when the trails close?

Can motorcycles go on the horse paths in Davy Crockett? I assume not, but just checking.

From what I see you got a mix of pea gravel service roads, county and state roads also and those seem to be the majority of the roads in the SH Forest. From what I have seen in the pics though the "Special Use" trails are trails specifically built for pedestrian, offroad vehicles like 4 wheelers and dirt bikes. Also I understand you have to have a $50 annual sticker to use a non- street legal vehicle in SH National Forest. The special use trails I have seen in photos look like they have wooden bridges and elevated walkways like you see at some parks for pedestrian only traffic to get you above the swampy areas, and could not support the weight on regular cars or trucks.

Those must be what is being talked about here, that would have gates over them. Most of all the roads I have ever seen and this is from Cold Springs near Cleveland on the 59 side are all gravel roads that may or may not be actual county roads but seem to be pretty well maintained and I see vehicular traffic on them, mostly pickup trucks, and hunting trucks. Honestly I would be fine going out there right now and just piddling down those roads seeing that I have pretty low miles and I don't want to get stuck in the mud, nor do I have knobby tires, and my bike is a true Duel Sport and is street legal.

My grandfather, who is long dead, had a map somone made long ago, that they sold at the local convenience store, and this was in the 80's before Googlemaps. Someone decided they were going to map all the gravel service roads. In his truck we would drive for miles down these roads. Some people call them logging roads, whatever, but never saw a county road sign, or anything. You had to memorize those roads or have a map or you would get lost.

I would love to ride out there for hours with my GPS on , and somehow overlay that on top of Google Maps.
 

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"Also I understand you have to have a $50" you are close, $16 off road use sticker from state (get from parks and wildlife, or Cycle Shack in Conroe has them) and pay a 5 dollar fee at trailhead. The 5 dollars might not be necessary for a street legal bike on the trails. As far as the roads go, ride away, legal as a highway as long as you're plated. The off road trails are referred to as PMT, permanently marked trails or MUT, multi use trails. Nothing bigger than 48 or 50" wide, can't remember for sure. Stock atv's pass through no problem. It takes the special trail ready SXS to get in under the 50 inches.

Also to use a quad out there you have to have proof of completion of an atv safety course and obey all restrictions, ie: helmets, eye protection, and boots(not sure on boots but think so), proper age to ride(noted on the quad), and not riding double. No unlicensed vehicles are allowed on roads or shoulders, pretty much a Rangers biggest gripe. There is a sign that states not knowing rules is not an excuse to break them. They rarely write warning tickets, no sense of humor, lol.
 

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NFWestSidePMT.jpg


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First map is west side trails from Stubblefield and Kelly Pond, the second is balloon loop from Northwest or Stubblefield trailhead. When it dries out this are the trails currently open for use. 936-344-6205 x2 for status.
 

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"visitors on Tuesday and Wednesday. According
to officials, the only por tion of the forest that remains closed is the multiple- use trails, which remain closed due toflooding"

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Oh, how I miss riding there. What I don't miss are the battles to keep the place open and maintained.

I guess I should thank my bad spine that I can't ride dirt anymore and made me sell the bike. When SHNF is closed, it's just too far to drive to Barnwell and Red River. And someday, SHNF MUTs will likely be closed down forever. It's come so close so many times. And once a trail is closed, it takes an act of congress to open it again.
 
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"visitors on Tuesday and Wednesday. According
to officials, the only portion of the forest that remains closed is the multiple- use trails, which remain closed due toflooding"

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This reminds of when Obama had his temper tantrum in 2013 and shut everything down. Didn't have a clue that people actually live in the national forests or didn't care (amongst a laundry list of other things he did). I have a friend who lives off Little Loop Rd on the east side of SHNF, not far from the trailhead as the crow flies or as the deer runs. He was told to leave his property until the shutdown was over. He stood his ground and I joined him for 5 of those days in support. A nice little getaway for the time but there were no more hassles as the other residents on his road did the same thing and threatened to blow holes in anyone who tried to remove them from their homes. An interesting experience to say the least and one that many others in other states should have done the same.
 
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I ride the Kisatchie most of the time and when I ckd last night it was still closed "pending funding"??? I just don't understand.
 
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I snuck out there during the GOVT Shutdown. It was wet and a lot of parts are flooded. A few new trees have fallen over on some of the trails as well.
 

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They had a survey day Sunday, by the pictures I saw it's still extremely wet, too wet to be fun, beside destroy the trails further.
 
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Same in the Kisatchie. The last couple years non stop rain has really been rough. And the 4-wheelers have DESTROYED a couple creek crossings. Really getting ugly.
 

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West Side (string/balloon) MUT survey & work day this Sunday.
Sunday, February 17, 2019
9:00 AM to 3:00 PM

Let's continue surveying the west side MUT. Survey, cut trees, clear face slappers and anything else we find. This work day will cover string & balloon(s). Please bring hand tools if you have them. If you are a sawyer you know what to bring. Our goal is to survey all of string and both balloons, we can divide with enough people. All are welcome. Meet at 208 lot, ready to survey at 9am. I strongly recommend as many people use the RAMBLR app as possible.
 
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West Side (string/balloon) MUT survey & work day this Sunday.
Sunday, February 17, 2019
9:00 AM to 3:00 PM

Let's continue surveying the west side MUT. Survey, cut trees, clear face slappers and anything else we find. This work day will cover string & balloon(s). Please bring hand tools if you have them. If you are a sawyer you know what to bring. Our goal is to survey all of string and both balloons, we can divide with enough people. All are welcome. Meet at 208 lot, ready to survey at 9am. I strongly recommend as many people use the RAMBLR app as possible.
I couldn't make it this weekend, but in the future, is there anything I need to bring or do prior to coming out and lending you a hand? Any special tools you usually take or need?
 
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